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Who is everyone voting for this year

Trump
90%
Biden
6.7%
None
3.3%
Total Members Voted
30

Who is everyone voting for this year (president) (Read 47784 times)

Heavies

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2020, 10:24:03 PM »
Unfortunately in this current political scheme we only have 2 options.  Any vote for anyone else is a non vote.  Though I mean we live in Hawaii, all our votes are democratic automatic.  Trump's only good point for me is guns.  Everything else I am against.  I am not an 1 issue voter so consciously I just can't put myself to vote for him.  I voted from him last time but I learned and I wont vote for him again. 
I feel horrible but Biden has 3 views I support,  climate change, Abortion and science.  I also believe he will handle Covid better.  Everything else he is kinda shit.  But 3 > 1 so  what choice do I have.  Unless trump kicks the bucket I might vote pence, would have to research him further. 

We live in Hawaii. Our presidential vote is just numbers anyway.  A vote for Biden is ridiculous for a gun owner. 

You make zero logical sense.

Just saying.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2020, 10:38:48 PM »
We live in Hawaii. Our presidential vote is just numbers anyway.  A vote for Biden is ridiculous for a gun owner. 

You make zero logical sense.

Just saying.

In 2016, Hillary Clinton won the Hawaii Presidential Election.

Hawaii has 4 electoral votes, meaning the results of the election selected the Democrat slate of electors.  Electors are selected by the party leaders primarily for their past support of the party.

Two electors cast their electoral votes for Clinton -- in line with the results.

One elector cast his vote for Bernie Sanders.

The fourth elector cast her vote for Clinton, but stated she would have voted for Sanders if she'd known she was permitted to do that.

In short, just because the voters overwhelmingly voted for the Democrat nominee doesn't mean the electors are all on board with it. 

Our four electorals will never be significant no matter which party routinely wins the state.  But, if everybody on the other side gives up, it'll never change.

If Biden is unable to finish the race (medical, mental, bombshell Oct Surprise), Harris will replace him on the ballot, I'm sure.  She's so unelectable, she had to drop out of the Democrat Primaries before the first votes were held.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2020, 10:42:17 PM »
We live in Hawaii. Our presidential vote is just numbers anyway.  A vote for Biden is ridiculous for a gun owner. 

You make zero logical sense.

Just saying.


Sorry I edited my post later to clarify


My top 5 views are in this order

Freedom
Science
Guns
Climate change
Abortion/personal choice rights

The person who I belive best does the most of these gets my vote.   My priorities change over the but this is mine this year.  And Trump only does 1/5 Biden does 3/5.

macsak

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2020, 11:10:56 PM »
Unfortunately in this current political scheme we only have 2 options.  Any vote for anyone else is a non vote.  Though I mean we live in Hawaii, all our votes are democratic automatic.  Trump's only good point for me is guns.  Everything else I am against.  I am not an 1 issue voter so consciously I just can't put myself to vote for him.  I voted from him last time but I learned and I wont vote for him again. 
I feel horrible but Biden has 3 major views I support,  climate change, Abortion and science.  I also believe he will handle Covid better.  Everything else he is kinda shit.  But 3 > 1 so  what choice do I have.  Unless trump kicks the bucket I might vote pence, would have to research him further. 

FYI.  My top 5 views are in this order

Freedom
Science
Guns
Climate change
Abortion/personal choice rights

wait, you said the other day you voted for trump last year...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2020, 12:00:57 AM »
If you're voting this year, you need to accept one truth:

A vote for the Democrats is a vote for Socialism.

If you don't get that, then you haven't been paying attention.

Trump is the embodiment of capitalism.

If Biden wins, you can say Adios to freedom.  Socialism and individual liberty are mutually exclusive.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #65 on: October 08, 2020, 12:14:42 AM »
If you're voting this year, you need to accept one truth:
A vote for the Democrats is a vote for Socialism.
If you don't get that, then you haven't been paying attention.
Trump is the embodiment of capitalism.
If Biden wins, you can say Adios to freedom.  Socialism and individual liberty are mutually exclusive.

Throwing the absolutes.  “One truth”
You’re Off the Deep End.

omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #66 on: October 08, 2020, 06:05:56 AM »
wait, you said the other day you voted for trump last year...

I did.  According to his campaign  promises he was the better candidate.  Having failed pretty much all of them i would be stupid to try again.  He also showed me his true character over the last 4 years. 

omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #67 on: October 08, 2020, 06:08:37 AM »
If you're voting this year, you need to accept one truth:

A vote for the Democrats is a vote for Socialism.

If you don't get that, then you haven't been paying attention.

Trump is the embodiment of capitalism.

If Biden wins, you can say Adios to freedom.  Socialism and individual liberty are mutually exclusive.


You are drinking too much coolaid.  Biden isn't bernie he's more centrist democrat. That's like saying a vote for trump is a vote for dictatorship.

ren

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #68 on: October 08, 2020, 07:41:43 AM »


You are drinking too much coolaid.  Biden isn't bernie he's more centrist democrat. That's like saying a vote for trump is a vote for dictatorship.

He is not a Socialist nor Centrist - he's a career politician who is in it for HIMSELF. He sees our country as an opportunity to enrich his family and friends. He has done nothing for the People in the last 4 DECADES - much like our current Congressional delegates. That is the weakness other countries see when discussing foreign policy.

« Last Edit: October 08, 2020, 07:51:33 AM by ren »
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omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #69 on: October 08, 2020, 08:09:56 AM »
He is not a Socialist nor Centrist - he's a career politician who is in it for HIMSELF. He sees our country as an opportunity to enrich his family and friends. He has done nothing for the People in the last 4 DECADES - much like our current Congressional delegates. That is the weakness other countries see when discussing foreign policy.



Do you really believe trump is not in it for himself?  Fact check...he is.  Probably more than biden.   All politician are in it for themselves its human nature.

drck1000

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #70 on: October 08, 2020, 08:23:01 AM »
Obama showed us the Democrats don't need control of Congress to pass executive orders and pick-and-choose what laws to enforce -- i.e. sanctuary cities, border enforcement, DACA, banning certain firearms/ammo/accessories, Occupy Wall Street lawlessness, riots in Ferguson and other cities, and so on.  Depending on the balance of power doesn't work now, because the Congress has relegated a lot of their powers to the Executive  or Judicial branches.
Prior to Obama, I used to have this "belief" that the President only wielded so much power/authority and that he (or she) has a team of advisors.  That the President himself effect much change unchecked.  Obama proved me wrong.  Maybe still my opinion, but I think Obama's record shows what he did, as well as what he did not do.  Well, same could be said for Trump, I think Obama opened a lot of the wounds that are festering today. 

ren

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #71 on: October 08, 2020, 08:23:09 AM »
Do you really believe trump is not in it for himself?  Fact check...he is.  Probably more than biden.   All politician are in it for themselves its human nature.

Waiting for your fact check.
President Trump is not taking a salary.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/
Deeds Not Words

drck1000

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #72 on: October 08, 2020, 08:23:46 AM »
Do you really believe trump is not in it for himself?  Fact check...he is.  Probably more than biden.   All politician are in it for themselves its human nature.
Fact check?  So you're going to be able to argue those, backed by facts?  Less uncertainty? 

omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #73 on: October 08, 2020, 09:16:46 AM »
Waiting for your fact check.
President Trump is not taking a salary.
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1341/take-no-salary/


That means nothing....if they host major events at his hotels and golf courses. 

omnigun

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #74 on: October 08, 2020, 09:19:37 AM »
Fact check?  So you're going to be able to argue those, backed by facts?  Less uncertainty?

Yes I can. 

The president has visited his properties 362 times at taxpayer expense during his administration, sometimes visiting more than one of them in a single day. In 2019 alone, he has visited his properties 81 times, helping to further establish them as centers of political power. The number of days where President Trump has spent time at a Trump-branded property account for almost a third of the days he’s been president.

One-hundred eleven officials from 65 foreign governments, including 57 foreign countries, have made 137 visits to a Trump property, raising the question of how much foreign money has been spent at Trump’s properties.

630 visits to Trump properties from at least 250 Trump administration officials. This includes high-level White House staff, members of Trump’s cabinet, and individual agency employees. So far this year, CREW has recorded 198 visits by White House officials. Ivanka Trump—who has an ownership interest in the Trump hotel in D.C.—and her husband Jared Kushner, both senior White House advisors, are the most frequent executive branch officials to visit Trump properties, other than the president himself. Jared has made 28 known visits, while Ivanka has made 23.

Forty-seven state officials, including 20 Republican governors, have made 64 visits to Trump properties, sometimes resulting in state taxpayer funds being spent there.

Political groups have spent $5.9 million at Trump properties since President Trump took office. So far this year, political groups have spent $1.1 million at Trump properties. In more than a decade prior to his run for president, Trump’s businesses never received more than $100,000 from political groups in a single year.

Foreign governments and foreign government-linked organizations have hosted 12 events at Trump properties since the president took office. These events have been attended by at least 19 administration officials.

The Trump Hotel in Washington, D.C. is the top beneficiary of this political spending. In just over two and a half years, the hotel has raked in $2.4 million in traceable political spending.



Ohh but wait he doesn't take a salary...we gotta cancel this post....

ren

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #75 on: October 08, 2020, 09:23:57 AM »
Yes I can. 

The president has visited his properties 362 times at taxpayer expense during his administration, sometimes visiting more than one of them in a single day. In 2019 alone, he has visited his properties 81 times, helping to further establish them as centers of political power. The number of days where President Trump has spent time at a Trump-branded property account for almost a third of the days he’s been president.

One-hundred eleven officials from 65 foreign governments, including 57 foreign countries, have made 137 visits to a Trump property, raising the question of how much foreign money has been spent at Trump’s properties.

630 visits to Trump properties from at least 250 Trump administration officials. This includes high-level White House staff, members of Trump’s cabinet, and individual agency employees. So far this year, CREW has recorded 198 visits by White House officials. Ivanka Trump—who has an ownership interest in the Trump hotel in D.C.—and her husband Jared Kushner, both senior White House advisors, are the most frequent executive branch officials to visit Trump properties, other than the president himself. Jared has made 28 known visits, while Ivanka has made 23.

Forty-seven state officials, including 20 Republican governors, have made 64 visits to Trump properties, sometimes resulting in state taxpayer funds being spent there.

Political groups have spent $5.9 million at Trump properties since President Trump took office. So far this year, political groups have spent $1.1 million at Trump properties. In more than a decade prior to his run for president, Trump’s businesses never received more than $100,000 from political groups in a single year.

Foreign governments and foreign government-linked organizations have hosted 12 events at Trump properties since the president took office. These events have been attended by at least 19 administration officials.

The Trump Hotel in Washington, D.C. is the top beneficiary of this political spending. In just over two and a half years, the hotel has raked in $2.4 million in traceable political spending.



Ohh but wait he doesn't take a salary...we gotta cancel this post....

source?
Deeds Not Words

macsak

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #77 on: October 08, 2020, 10:09:20 AM »
Yes I can. 

The president has visited his properties 362 times at taxpayer expense during his administration, sometimes visiting more than one of them in a single day. In 2019 alone, he has visited his properties 81 times, helping to further establish them as centers of political power. The number of days where President Trump has spent time at a Trump-branded property account for almost a third of the days he’s been president.

One-hundred eleven officials from 65 foreign governments, including 57 foreign countries, have made 137 visits to a Trump property, raising the question of how much foreign money has been spent at Trump’s properties.

630 visits to Trump properties from at least 250 Trump administration officials. This includes high-level White House staff, members of Trump’s cabinet, and individual agency employees. So far this year, CREW has recorded 198 visits by White House officials. Ivanka Trump—who has an ownership interest in the Trump hotel in D.C.—and her husband Jared Kushner, both senior White House advisors, are the most frequent executive branch officials to visit Trump properties, other than the president himself. Jared has made 28 known visits, while Ivanka has made 23.

Forty-seven state officials, including 20 Republican governors, have made 64 visits to Trump properties, sometimes resulting in state taxpayer funds being spent there.

Political groups have spent $5.9 million at Trump properties since President Trump took office. So far this year, political groups have spent $1.1 million at Trump properties. In more than a decade prior to his run for president, Trump’s businesses never received more than $100,000 from political groups in a single year.

Foreign governments and foreign government-linked organizations have hosted 12 events at Trump properties since the president took office. These events have been attended by at least 19 administration officials.

The Trump Hotel in Washington, D.C. is the top beneficiary of this political spending. In just over two and a half years, the hotel has raked in $2.4 million in traceable political spending.



Ohh but wait he doesn't take a salary...we gotta cancel this post....

i guess you don't realize that trump does not own the properties, he just licenses his name...

ren

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #78 on: October 08, 2020, 10:24:03 AM »
« Last Edit: October 08, 2020, 10:30:22 AM by ren »
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macsak

Re: Who is everyone voting for this year (president)
« Reply #79 on: October 08, 2020, 10:31:18 AM »
I did.  According to his campaign  promises he was the better candidate.  Having failed pretty much all of them i would be stupid to try again.  He also showed me his true character over the last 4 years.