Registering a c&r firearm (Read 10532 times)

bass monkey

Registering a c&r firearm
« on: July 16, 2012, 09:03:04 AM »
My M44 has finally arrived so I gotta find time to make it to hpd and register it, however I had a few questions since this is my first c&r registration.
I understand I need the following
1. The firearm
2. Signed copy of my c&r paperwork
3.long gun permit
4. Copy of the atf section that states it fits the c&r criteria

Will I need anything else like reciept or proof of shipping or anything like that? Anyone got info and did this before help is appreciated.
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Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2012, 09:07:30 AM »
<snark>
Bring a copy of the Bill of Rights along.
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I'm not signing this one so nobody will know who posted it.

I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

bass monkey

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2012, 09:18:09 AM »
Hahahahhahaha. Nice one

crazy cat

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2012, 10:50:18 AM »
I don't know about Honolulu, but in Hilo, all you'd need is the firearm and your long gun permit.

jasoncredible

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2012, 01:00:43 PM »
curious on this one as well.  Do I need to register a cartridge gun made before 1889?

Tom_G

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2012, 03:45:35 PM »
bass monkey, you are correct.  If you tell them "It's a C&R purchase" when you go to the window, they will want a signed copy of your license, and a copy of the page from the BATFE listing proving that the gun is eligible.  Do not sign the license before they ask for it.

Just more humbugness.
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bass monkey

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2012, 04:52:45 PM »
Tom do they need to see the original or is a copy fine? I was just gonna make a copy and sign it before I get there. Or after. Whatever is easier.

Tom_G

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2012, 06:32:19 PM »
Tom do they need to see the original or is a copy fine? I was just gonna make a copy and sign it before I get there. Or after. Whatever is easier.

As in all things C&R, take an unsigned copy with you, and do not sign it until asked to do so.  There's no reason they should need to see the original, though.
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bass monkey

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2012, 06:35:26 PM »
Ok thanks tom. Gotta find some time to get down there now. Thanks for clarifying about what's needed

Funtimes

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2012, 08:52:32 PM »
As in all things C&R, take an unsigned copy with you, and do not sign it until asked to do so.  There's no reason they should need to see the original, though.

What is the deal with them not having it signed already?
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bass monkey

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2012, 09:02:59 PM »
When you mail it out, the companies want a signed copy.  I guess when you sgin the original and make copies it makes it ugly and not so legiable.  I dunno. 

Funtimes

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2012, 09:37:13 PM »
When you mail it out, the companies want a signed copy.  I guess when you sgin the original and make copies it makes it ugly and not so legiable.  I dunno.

Yeah my understanding is that for my C&R I make copies of it sign that copy when I send it out.  My question is, what is their issue I hand them a copy already signed.
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bass monkey

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2012, 09:45:32 PM »
Oh hpd? I dunno I'll see if one of the other guys knows the answers. I will just so I run into less trouble. The guys  already don't like me there. Can't wait to see their reaction when I register my gun. Heard others say hpd is not too happy about this "loophole".

Pit808

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2012, 10:13:17 PM »
I created a "acquisition " form that has the name, address of where/who I got if from with the date received (important ) cuz the same out of state registration time frame applies and they will ask. This form also has my info and 03 ffl number. I give them a signed COPY of my c&r that they usually keep along with the acquisition form.  I bring my brown c&r book and highlight / bookmark the page and hand them the book and point out the listing in the book. They make a copy of the book page that they file with the other paperwork. I also give them my LG permit and ID. Once in a while they ask me for the sellers phone number but I usually don't have it and it wasn't a problem.  Phone number isn't required in your bound book either.
The above has worked for me a BUNCH of times. I also keep a copy of the form below for my records as a back up to my bound book.

U don't want to sign your original.  Even if you made 100 blank copies before signing the original, what are you gonna do when you accidentally run out of blank copies and need that 101st INK signed copy to send? Are you gonna send them your original? No - ur screwed. All you have left are photocopies of your signature.  Leave the original as a unsigned master to copy.  I never had a issue giving HPD a pre-signed copy.  I have had seller request a blue or red ink signed c&r copy to show that the signature isn't a photocopy.

 
« Last Edit: July 16, 2012, 11:31:57 PM by Pit808 »
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Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2012, 03:31:00 AM »
I commented recently on the fact that my M-N has two serial numbers, one from the arsenal, and one scratched in by the importer.  Will you at some point add a space for arsenal versus importer serial numbers on your form, or is there a convention for which is valid?  (I bought mine "straight up" with a 4473, not a C&R license.)

Just curious.
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crazy cat

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2012, 07:02:00 AM »
The arsenal serial number on a M-N is on the barrel; it doesn't count.  That's why the importer has added a serial number to the receiver.

Pit808

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2012, 07:43:53 AM »
The arsenal serial number on a M-N is on the barrel; it doesn't count.  That's why the importer has added a serial number to the receiver.

+1 the importer SN is the one that will go on the registration form. Once the importer puts a new SN on it, that trumps any factory sn. On many of my c&R's the factory sn's aren't even english letters so HPD couldn't type it if they wanted to.
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Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2012, 08:10:43 AM »
^, ^^  Thank you.  Good info.
I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

bass monkey

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2012, 08:26:03 AM »
Oh i thought it fell in the register within 5 days limit. Is it a different timeline?

Pit808

Re: Registering a c&r firearm
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2012, 08:45:05 AM »
Reference §HRS 134-3

Every person arriving in the state who brings or by any other manner causes to be brought into the state a firearm of any description, whether usable or unusable, serviceable or unserviceable, modern or antique, shall register the firearm within 72 hours (three days) after arrival of the person or firearm, whichever arrives later.

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