I view it as a wartime effort.  Temporary martial law.  You lose freedoms temporary for the betterment of the nation.  If we were being invaded, or at war like in ww2 there are plenty of similar things that happen.  All those countries are thriving now.   If hindsight is 20/20 I would gladly give up my freedoms to travel etc so we can get back to "normal" quicker. Right now we live in an extended half assed lockdown.  Important fact though is there are no lasting "power grab" effects. No changes in laws that affect freedom like what the republicans did with the patriot act.  I would argue that 911 and what happened then was a far worse endangerment of freedom than covid lockdowns.

Yeah I also view china with extreme caution though over the last few months and what they appear to be doing,  and all the pictures do indeed point to the evidence that they are basically covid free.

China has definitely not economically returned, to their pre-Covid-19 levels; however, they are in a far better economic condition and is recovering faster than most, of the major powers, on the planet.  Unlike most anti-Chinese people, in the US, I credit their recovery and resiliency, to the leadership, of their CCP, and the mettle, of the Chinese people.  China employed some of the most draconian protocols compared, to the rest, of the World.  From what my colleagues living in China continually share with me, their protocols were extreme and conducted, with Nazi-like efficiency.  Despite their methods, their results are the proof, in the pudding, and is something other nations should consider incorporating.

Just living in those countries, you'd be giving up a lot more than that. . .

Would you surrender all firearms and ammo and parts if ordered to do so by marital law/betterment for society?  Even though HI does have a law that says confiscation cannot be done during a state emergency.

Those countries are not "thriving". They just have lower Corona numbers.  Being forced to stay home, show papers when traveling X distance, no activities is not my definition of thriving.

Yeah I also view china with extreme caution though over the last few months and what they appear to be doing,  and all the pictures do indeed point to the evidence that they are basically covid free.

Would your free republic of Hawaii join the communist party? 

I would not there's absolutely no proof that would help.  Masks and lockdowns do. There needs to be proof before I accept a temporary loss in freedoms. 

They are thriving now.  They are open.  You can go out.  Many don't have that much restrictions like here.  The economy is growing.

Would your free republic of Hawaii join the communist party? 

I would not.  Hence no lasting changes of freedom.   

pictures from what sources?

So if there was proof that surrendering all your firearms would reduce death, would you do it?  Site's like MDA, ET, and many DNC lawmakers use "studies" to show no one needs a 30rd mag, "assault rifle", etc...  So there is the proof that you are asking for.

China has definitely not economically returned, to their pre-Covid-19 levels; however, they are in a far better economic condition and is recovering faster than most, of the major powers, on the planet.  Unlike most anti-Chinese people, in the US, I credit their recovery and resiliency, to the leadership, of their CCP, and the mettle, of the Chinese people.  China employed some of the most draconian protocols compared, to the rest, of the World.  From what my colleagues living in China continually share with me, their protocols were extreme and conducted, with Nazi-like efficiency.  Despite their methods, their results are the proof, in the pudding, and is something other nations should consider incorporating.

pictures from what sources?

So if there was proof that surrendering all your firearms would reduce death, would you do it?  Site's like MDA, ET, and many DNC lawmakers use "studies" to show no one needs a 30rd mag, "assault rifle", etc...  So there is the proof that you are asking for.

Yup, they are a shining example of human rights for other nations to follow. 

I mean seriously, I get that there are aspects of Chinese culture/gov't or even Nazis that could be "admired" for results.  However, if any one is ok with how they got their results. . .

Was not referring to the right to protest the government, which is a non-starter with them.

However, no one can deny the results regarding their government's Covid-19 response; for a country with the largest population and some of the most densely packed cities, it is nothing, but sheer genius, how they were able to contain the outbreak and continue business as usual.

Was not referring to the right to protest the government, which is a non-starter with them.

However, no one can deny the results regarding their government's Covid-19 response; for a country with the largest population and some of the most densely packed cities, it is nothing, but sheer genius, how they were able to contain the outbreak and continue business as usual.

Dictatorships can be useful from time to time.  Does N. Korea have any COVID cases?

If there was proof of my guns in the hands of myself could do harm then in that context yes I would.   

Omni, I don’t harp on you as there is plenty to go around....
But why do you own a gun ?
You’re certainly gonna have to harm somebody to protect yourself with a gun.

Omni, I don’t harp on you as there is plenty to go around....
But why do you own a gun ?
You’re certainly gonna have to harm somebody to protect yourself with a gun.