Climate change affects us all.   We know forsure we are affecting the climate and potentially dooming the entire world. And I would argue it's a matter of rights.  Adult fully formed humans have more rights than fetuses. Just like you said before some murder is justified. Even though I don't believe this is murder, you said you can value life differently. You should understand that. 

It's like climate change we are sure we are affecting the climate we know roughly how and act.   Abortion we are sure it's not human sentient, we don't know exactly when but because of how it physically is a un complex brain is not capable.

Sanctioning the murder of the unborn through a judicial misapplication of the Constitution affects us all.

It's not whether man is "affecting the climate".  It's to what degree, and whether ANYTHING we can do will make an impact on the overall carbon content of the atmosphere.  There's no scientific evidence for whether man contributes X percentage of carbon emissions vs. nature's contributions.  The general consensus is about 10-15% of it comes from man.

People blaming climate change for the wildfires are ridiculously stupid.  They are also so dense they can't see that the fires are contributing to climate change.  So warped is their perspective.

Climate change affects us all.   We know forsure we are affecting the climate and potentially dooming the entire world. And I would argue it's a matter of rights.  Adult fully formed humans have more rights than fetuses. Just like you said before some murder is justified. Even though I don't believe this is murder, you said you can value life differently. You should understand that. 

It's like climate change we are sure we are affecting the climate we know roughly how and act.   Abortion we are sure it's not human sentient, we don't know exactly when but because of how it physically is a un complex brain is not capable.

You're right, it affects us all. Now I have to listen to people who think they know what's going to happen in 100 years, listen to a child lecture one of the lowest polluters in the world on how they have to be more eco friendly.  I have to now live in a possibility that my gas car will be gone or highly taxed (HI rep did try to push a bill Ohno?). 

This is what people on both sides have been trying to figure out. At what stage of development in what's inside the woman able to think?

When is that going to happen for you? 

 

:kidding:

 

So, according to OmniGrub, we need to address Climate Change today, or face the consequences in 12, 25, 50, 100 or some other unknowable future date many years from now.

But, we should not worry about killing a potential human being who is not sentient today, even though they likely will be in another few weeks.

Makes perfect sense.  The future only matters when HE decides it does.

Hmmm i see the logic in your argument.   Perhaps  the fetus is above a brain dead person but below a regular human.  Still a lower form though. It's not human but has the potential. But potential isn't enough to grant it status as a human. 

I have the potential to be a billionaire. But I am not one.  I can't go to the bank and expect the bank to give me a loan to buy a jet because of my potential. You are judged at what you are currently.

But if you knew you were 100% going to be a billionaire that changes things doesn’t it?

Also give me an example of someone that is not brain dead but is not considered to have human rights? As you said you’d put a fetus above a brain dead person but below a “human”

So, according to OmniGrub, we need to address Climate Change today, or face the consequences in 12, 25, 50, 100 or some other unknowable future date many years from now.

But, we should not worry about killing a potential human being who is not sentient today, even though they likely will be in another few weeks.

Makes perfect sense.  The future only matters when HE decides it does.

One is easily fixable and one isn't. Can have kids whenever,  we only got 1 earth.

But if you knew you were 100% going to be a billionaire that changes things doesn’t it?

Also give me an example of someone that is not brain dead but is not considered to have human rights? As you said you’d put a fetus above a brain dead person but below a “human”

Criminals, have less rights than non criminals.  We execute prisoners.  Are you against the death penalty?

Omni,

What do you do to help reduce pollution that climate change is from?

1) Do you walk, bike, group transport 100% of  your life
2) Do you own any electronic devices that contribute to someone digging in the earth for materials
3) Are any of your clothes made in factories that cause high pollution (made in china type stuff)
4) Do you consume anything bottled
5) If you ever leave Oahu, do you use a sail boat and not anything run on fossil fuels
6) Do you not own anything metal or lead based, since its also bad for the environment (guns, ammo, ammo can, knives, etc...)
7) Have you contacted your DC rep about climate change and any international agencies

See where I'm going with this? So if you feel climate change is a big deal, then then answer should be no to most of  the above, and so should anyone else who feels the same way about climate change.  If all these people did their part, then that solves part of the problem right?

I know a guy who became super into climate change and lives in OR. He and his gf do not use anything that runs on gas. He knits his/her own clothing, last I heard he was trying to learn how to make his own yarn/string from sheep sheers.  They are vegans because animal factories are bad.  Attend protest all the time and write to their senators about climate change.  They moved to OR so they can do more compared to being here separated by an ocean.  TBH, I'm pretty sure they're anita now.

I think I have come to realize we will never agree.  Some people think its murder, some don't.  Some think its "sentient" and some don't.  Just like people believe in god and some don't.  And all the talking in the world probably won't convince either side.  Does anyone here prolife and thinks the death penalty is fine?

I just hope we all can agree on its personal choice. Just like if you believe in Jesus you don't force others to believe.  Everyone should have the freedom to decide  That's all I am advocating.  I don't care if you think its murder still just stop shoving your beliefs on others.  I tried to explain my point of view on why I don't think it is.  But in the end its up to everyone to come up with their own decisions. 

Criminals, have less rights than non criminals.  We execute prisoners.  Are you against the death penalty?

getting back on track with your analogy. So what crime did a fetus do?

Criminals, have less rights than non criminals.  We execute prisoners.  Are you against the death penalty?

There is a process to strip them of their rights, and it's just not 1 right, its many.  A fetus gets no "due process".

But then again, I am for abortion it doesn't bother me.  Neither does the death penalty.  I believe in capital punishment.  Someone caught steeling should have 1 hand chopped off.  Then the other if caught again. and so on. But that's just me.

And like you mentioned, it's hard to change someones thought/ethics.

Omni,

What do you do to help reduce pollution that climate change is from?

1) Do you walk, bike, group transport 100% of  your life
2) Do you own any electronic devices that contribute to someone digging in the earth for materials
3) Are any of your clothes made in factories that cause high pollution (made in china type stuff)
4) Do you consume anything bottled
5) If you ever leave Oahu, do you use a sail boat and not anything run on fossil fuels
6) Do you not own anything metal or lead based, since its also bad for the environment (guns, ammo, ammo can, knives, etc...)
7) Have you contacted your DC rep about climate change and any international agencies

See where I'm going with this? So if you feel climate change is a big deal, then then answer should be no to most of  the above, and so should anyone else who feels the same way about climate change.  If all these people did their part, then that solves part of the problem right?

I know a guy who became super into climate change and lives in OR. He and his gf do not use anything that runs on gas. He knits his/her own clothing, last I heard he was trying to learn how to make his own yarn/string from sheep sheers.  They are vegans because animal factories are bad.  Attend protest all the time and write to their senators about climate change.  They moved to OR so they can do more compared to being here separated by an ocean.  TBH, I'm pretty sure they're anita now.

Then she gets on a plane and goes galavanting around the world.

Then she gets on a plane and goes galavanting around the world.

She had a boat at some point.  A very expensive one too.  IDK if it was 100% sail or ran on those damn fossil fuel as well.  But I'm gonna assume she and her parent get driven around and not bicycle or walk.

Then she gets on a plane and goes galavanting around the world.

How dare you post something so cringe worthy.

She had a boat at some point.  A very expensive one too.  IDK if it was 100% sail or ran on those damn fossil fuel as well.  But I'm gonna assume she and her parent get driven around and not bicycle or walk.

was the boat made up of organic materials? I'm guessing it was made with fiberglass and resin

Omni,

What do you do to help reduce pollution that climate change is from?

1) Do you walk, bike, group transport 100% of  your life
I have fuel efficient car and am moving to town to lessen my commute and will be taking the rail
2) Do you own any electronic devices that contribute to someone digging in the earth for materials
Unfortunately yes
3) Are any of your clothes made in factories that cause high pollution (made in china type stuff)
Some are but recently I've been purchasing eco certified clothing
4) Do you consume anything bottled
Very rarely only alcohol.  I don't drink bottled water or soda.  I make my own kombuncha
5) If you ever leave Oahu, do you use a sail boat and not anything run on fossil fuels
I dont leave oahu often but when I do its my air,  if there was another viable option of similar speed I would take it
6) Do you not own anything metal or lead based, since its also bad for the environment (guns, ammo, ammo can, knives, etc...)
I own plenty lol
7) Have you contacted your DC rep about climate change and any international agencies
I don't really ever contact politicians

See where I'm going with this? So if you feel climate change is a big deal, then then answer should be no to most of  the above, and so should anyone else who feels the same way about climate change.  If all these people did their part, then that solves part of the problem right?

I know a guy who became super into climate change and lives in OR. He and his gf do not use anything that runs on gas. He knits his/her own clothing, last I heard he was trying to learn how to make his own yarn/string from sheep sheers.  They are vegans because animal factories are bad.  Attend protest all the time and write to their senators about climate change.  They moved to OR so they can do more compared to being here separated by an ocean.  TBH, I'm pretty sure they're anita now.

I get what you are saying.  I try not to waste, but I know I am part of the problem.  We all need to worth together, even little changes matter.  I'm not saying to go off the deep end.  But we can't just ignore it.  Most of the pollution isn't from people but companies/countries.  If they started to market more green and we can all do the process slowly.

There is a process to strip them of their rights, and it's just not 1 right, its many.  A fetus gets no "due process".

But then again, I am for abortion it doesn't bother me.  Neither does the death penalty.  I believe in capital punishment.  Someone caught steeling should have 1 hand chopped off.  Then the other if caught again. and so on. But that's just me.

And like you mentioned, it's hard to change someones thought/ethics.

Me too. I’m all for Code of Hammurabi.

She had a boat at some point.  A very expensive one too.  IDK if it was 100% sail or ran on those damn fossil fuel as well.  But I'm gonna assume she and her parent get driven around and not bicycle or walk.

But I want an oompaloompa right away!!!

I get what you are saying.  I try not to waste, but I know I am part of the problem.  We all need to worth together, even little changes matter.  I'm not saying to go off the deep end.  But we can't just ignore it.  Most of the pollution isn't from people but companies/countries.  If they started to market more green and we can all do the process slowly.

So you don't practice "eco friendly practices" but you tell us we all need to believe in this unproven hypothesis. What the mpg of your fuel efficient car?
I don't believe in human caused climate change but I do more than you do but my motives are cost. I eBike to work because its cheaper, I get a workout and I don't sit in traffic (pre Pan Pacific Pandemic). I contact my reps with concerns to what is going on in our community in regards to the environment because the smell of goats and pesticides really stink up the neighborhood.  When I do commute I have a hybrid agian I fill up gas way less. I have a rain catchment barrel to water my plants and am looking into recycling grey water via automated means (Arduino connected to pumps). again to lower my water bill.
Instead of preaching to a a one issue forum maybe you should do things - because every little thing matters - much like bringing a pot of hot water to a pool in the winter to warm it up.

There is a process to strip them of their rights, and it's just not 1 right, its many.  A fetus gets no "due process".

But then again, I am for abortion it doesn't bother me.  Neither does the death penalty.  I believe in capital punishment.  Someone caught steeling should have 1 hand chopped off.  Then the other if caught again. and so on. But that's just me.

And like you mentioned, it's hard to change someones thought/ethics.

Wasn't the best analogy example. I guess I could of used another example but there aren't really many.  Once you get human status you are pretty much set.

Yeah I just find it offensive that others seem to want to endlessly push their ethics on others. 

getting back on track with your analogy. So what crime did a fetus do?

Not an analogy with that. Just requested an example of someone with less rights than another human.  First one I could think of.