What else has he/she got?   

Shirley you do not expect life experience or education?
Must make up by using someone else's knowledge.

"Life experience" & "education" are synonyms ...


... and don't call me Shirley!   

Ok I'm all wrong on wording happy?  Please I'm waiting on a word to describe the unique human intelligence and self awareness. 

What else has he/she got?   

Shirley you do not expect life experience or education?
Must make up by using someone else's knowledge.

Shirley you don’t meen that...

 

That's a paradox. Because that implies I'm not brain dead. Which means I have sentience.  If I was brain dead I would never recover.

Lol that’s exactly my point. How could something be “not sentient” if they would one day become “sentient.”

Dimensions ..... height limitations .....

just semantics.   

But, numbers,
Math is HARD dude!

Now, if you had wanted to talk about colors..............

Lol that’s exactly my point. How could something be “not sentient” if they would one day become “sentient.”

Idk I tend to think of this in the present.   And sentient is something once you have you have it till you die.  But something like a fetus does not have it yet.  Until its developed enough.  If I am sentient, I get brain damage I lose that.  There's no amount of time to get it back, aka I am dead.

Idk I tend to think of this in the present.   And sentient is something once you have you have it till you die.  But something like a fetus does not have it yet.  Until its developed enough.  If I am sentient, I get brain damage I lose that.  There's no amount of time to get it back, aka I am dead.

Do you even get what you are saying and why it's so unscientific?

There's a reason there are "Heartbeat" laws for abortions.  You have no way of knowing if there is even the tiniest spark of sentience in a developing fetus.  There's no scientific test for that.  But, once a heartbeat is detected, you know beyond any doubt that the brain has developed to a point in which autonomic functions are being controlled.  It would be logical to most (not you) that such a level of development could actually indicate sentience has already been attained, or is not far off.

WTF do you want?  OB/GYNs administering a Turing Test to babies in the womb?

 

Do you even get what you are saying and why it's so unscientific?

There's a reason there are "Heartbeat" laws for abortions.  You have no way of knowing if there is even the tiniest spark of sentience in a developing fetus.  There's no scientific test for that.  But, once a heartbeat is detected, you know beyond any doubt that the brain has developed to a point in which autonomic functions are being controlled.  It would be logical to most (not you) that such a level of development could actually indicate sentience has already been attained, or is not far off.

WTF do you want?  OB/GYNs administering a Turing Test to babies in the womb?

 

Is true you can't tell when.  But what we can scientificly say is a complex brain is needed.   That's why all other creatures haven't gained sentience. A 2 month fetus just isn't advanced enough. 

There’s too much mental masturbation going on.

Here, watch this. (Warning, graphic video)

Idk I tend to think of this in the present.   And sentient is something once you have you have it till you die.  But something like a fetus does not have it yet.  Until its developed enough.  If I am sentient, I get brain damage I lose that.  There's no amount of time to get it back, aka I am dead.

I’m sorry brother but I think I got you here. Your logic is all over the place on this one.

Your the one who set your definition by stating you cannot be dead if you could gain your sentience back. Therefore, by your logic, You cannot say a fetus no matter how old they are is non sentient. A fetus cannot be on the same level as a brain dead person by your own logic.

Is true you can't tell when.  But what we can scientificly say is a complex brain is needed.   That's why all other creatures haven't gained sentience. A 2 month fetus just isn't advanced enough.

Climate Change activists:  "Even if we can't measure what portion of carbon emissions is manmade, It's better to be safe than sorry."

Same Leftist Activists:  "Even if we don't know when a fetus attains sentience, it's better to preserve the rights of women to abort the fetus than worry about something as insignificant as murder."

Climate Change activists:  "Even if we can't measure what portion of carbon emissions is manmade, It's better to be safe than sorry."

Same Leftist Activists:  "Even if we don't know when a fetus attains sentience, it's better to preserve the rights of women to abort the fetus than worry about something as insignificant as murder."

Climate change affects us all.   We know forsure we are affecting the climate and potentially dooming the entire world. And I would argue it's a matter of rights.  Adult fully formed humans have more rights than fetuses. Just like you said before some murder is justified. Even though I don't believe this is murder, you said you can value life differently. You should understand that. 

It's like climate change we are sure we are affecting the climate we know roughly how and act.   Abortion we are sure it's not human sentient, we don't know exactly when but because of how it physically is a un complex brain is not capable.

I’m sorry brother but I think I got you here. Your logic is all over the place on this one.

Your the one who set your definition by stating you cannot be dead if you could gain your sentience back. Therefore, by your logic, You cannot say a fetus no matter how old they are is non sentient. A fetus cannot be on the same level as a brain dead person by your own logic.

Hmmm i see the logic in your argument.   Perhaps  the fetus is above a brain dead person but below a regular human.  Still a lower form though. It's not human but has the potential. But potential isn't enough to grant it status as a human. 

I have the potential to be a billionaire. But I am not one.  I can't go to the bank and expect the bank to give me a loan to buy a jet because of my potential. You are judged at what you are currently. 

Climate change affects us all.   We know forsure we are affecting the climate and potentially dooming the entire world. And I would argue it's a matter of rights.  Adult fully formed humans have more rights than fetuses. Just like you said before some murder is justified. Even though I don't believe this is murder, you said you can value life differently. You should understand that. 

It's like climate change we are sure we are affecting the climate we know roughly how and act.   Abortion we are sure it's not human sentient, we don't know exactly when but because of how it physically is a un complex brain is not capable.

where's that jacky chan picture when you need it?

I’m sorry brother but I think I got you here. Your logic is all over the place on this one.

Your the one who set your definition by stating you cannot be dead if you could gain your sentience back. Therefore, by your logic, You cannot say a fetus no matter how old they are is non sentient. A fetus cannot be on the same level as a brain dead person by your own logic.

Key statement, or assumption right there. 

liberal gun owners....

liberal gun owners....

well, he did have a 3 something gpa at a known local private school...

well, he did have a 3 something gpa at a known local private school...

Well, shit.  We just better take his beliefs as truths then.  They are self evident. 

"I have spoken"

Dimensions ..... height limitations .....

just semantics.   

Semantics?  How about common sense?

I was looking for book shelves a couple of months ago.  Was searching online and reading reviews to see how a given shelf is, particularly how easy or difficult it is to assemble.  I found this book shelf I really liked and available locally, but the reviews on how difficult it was and how long it took made me take a pause.  People were saying stuff like "no directions", "can't figure it out", etc.  Anyways, there were also a number of positive reviews, but without mention of easy of assembly.  I ended up buying two.

Got them home and yeah, the directions are minimum.  However, with just a LITTLE bit of common sense, it was pretty easy to figure out how to assemble.  Yeah, better directions probably could have made it easier, but I had zero issues assembling them.  I think people have become so used to people telling them exactly what to do that they have lost the ability to think for themselves and figure things out. 

Hmmm i see the logic in your argument.   Perhaps  the fetus is above a brain dead person but below a regular human.  Still a lower form though. It's not human but has the potential. But potential isn't enough to grant it status as a human. 

I have the potential to be a billionaire. But I am not one.  I can't go to the bank and expect the bank to give me a loan to buy a jet because of my potential. You are judged at what you are currently.

This is what people on both sides have been trying to figure out. At what stage of development in what's inside the woman able to think?