I rent....I dont own a house.  Owning a house in your 20's is quite rare.

It's also rare that someone in their 20s is arrogant enough to believe that they have some magical insight into political and social issues which those of us 2 and 3 times that age possess.

Yet, here you are.

You know many people in their 20's living on oahu who own houses?  Dang that's one interesting social circle.   Yes you are not allowed to modify the house....its in most agreements.

It's not rare in my observations. Some are fortunate. Some worked hard and prioritized expenses.
When you stop electricity service you are not modifying the house. Or simply; don't use anything coal electricity powered. Do you really need hot showers? The internet? Entertainment?

B4 you buy a 100% battery car, look into how bad that battery is for the environment with relation to it  being made and disposed of after.  Plus CA wild fires screwed 100% electric cars cause no power or places to charge.  So gas is still king.  We do have lots of EPA regs from tree huggers with drilling.  The US has lots of oil, but cant access it or more expensive to do so because of EPA regs.  So we have to buy overseas from countries who don't care about the earth.  Wouldn't it be better to relax some regs so we can drill/frack more?  Same goes with the oil we get here.  My friend used to work as a harbor pilot some years ago.  Thanks to the Jones act or something, the oil boat from our west doesn't dock in HI to drop off crude oil.  Instead if goes to CA because they gotta pay if they stop in HI.  Then from CA, it comes here.  So using more fossil fuels to ship stuff to us that just passed our state due to regs/laws.  He told me this many years ago, so IDK if it's still true or not.

If you buy an electric car it takes more energy to build that car because of the lithium which is strip mined which is also bad for the earth. It takes so much energy to build that battery that the savings you get will not even come close to saving energy with an electric car. Especially in Hawaii where the electricity comes from oil fired plant. In other words, buying an electric car thinking that it will save energy and is better for the environment is a fallacy that narrow minded snowflakes fall for. None of this includes what you mentioned about the pollution that is caused by the battery when it is disposed of. Nor does any of this include the hazardous waste that is created when manufacturing the battery and the disposal of that waste.

Just so you know that CA has a dirty little secret:

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/fossil-fuels/coal/californias-hidden-coal-use/

Less damage in long term
Wait for the tech you say,  what motivates people to invent said tech?  You need demand,  having "green" demand brings innovation and better products over time.

What motivates people to invent tech is money. Plain and simple. Apple didn't put out the iPhone to save the planet.

Actually my goal is to take my house off the grid and do solar + battery backup. 

The problem with that is batteries that pollute is still a better direction.  They can invent better batteries.  All the fracking in the world isn't going to improve things or encourage change or a different way of thinking. 

I think the Jones act is beyond stupid and should be repealed.  It only does harm economically and ecology.

And how much fossil fuel is need to mine the raw materials, produce the energy to create those batteries, to move the big rigs day and night to bring the batteries to stores, and the fuel for planes and ships used to transport them to your island home?

Critical thinking required -- as well as more than a 20-yr-old's understanding of the stages of manufacturing leading up to the installation of a "green" product.

And how much fossil fuel is need to mine the raw materials, produce the energy to create those batteries, to move the big rigs day and night to bring the batteries to stores, and the fuel for planes and ships used to transport them to your island home?

Critical thinking required -- as well as more than a 20-yr-old's understanding of the stages of manufacturing leading up to the installation of a "green" product.

sprinkle in some staffing requirements

Less damage in long term
Wait for the tech you say,  what motivates people to invent said tech?  You need demand,  having "green" demand brings innovation and better products over time.

Bullshit.

Technology doesn't wait for demand.  Most of the tech from the last half century was not being demanded until after the technology was achieved. 

Sure, people can dream and wish for fantasy ideas, like a Delorean time machine, a Star Trek Phaser or food replicator, but that's not "demand".  Demand only exists in economic context if the product exists.

Henry Ford didn't sell a single car before it was built, because there was no demand for non-existent cars.

Invention can be driven by necessity, but that's not the same as "demand".

Or are those words SYNONYMS?     

Bullshit.

Technology doesn't wait for demand.  Most of the tech from the last half century was not being demanded until after the technology was achieved. 

Sure, people can dream and wish for fantasy ideas, like a Delorean time machine, a Star Trek Phaser or food replicator, but that's not "demand".  Demand only exists in economic context if the product exists.

Henry Ford didn't sell a single car before it was built, because there was no demand for non-existent cars.

Invention can be driven by necessity, but that's not the same as "demand".

Or are those words SYNONYMS?     

I demand a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range


C'mon man! Elon? Bill Gates?

It's not rare in my observations. Some are fortunate. Some worked hard and prioritized expenses.
When you stop electricity service you are not modifying the house. Or simply; don't use anything coal electricity powered. Do you really need hot showers? The internet? Entertainment?

He should move to Vegas.

Cheap houses (WAY cheaper than Hawaii).

Lower overall cost of living.

Lots of IT job opportunities.

And best of all, Hydro-Electric and Solar power.

Plus, they offer Concealed Carry, so he can protect himself from all those Freedom-hating Pro-Life Christians!

Not rare at all. I know many people in their 20s that own.
is there anything in your rental agreement that says you must have electricity from HECO?

I'm no where near my 20s anymore, but I owned my first home (well, mortgage) when I was 25.  Many of my college classmates had their first homes or places around the same time.

Less damage in long term
Wait for the tech you say,  what motivates people to invent said tech?  You need demand,  having "green" demand brings innovation and better products over time.

Since you're so sure, documentation? 

And I never said "wait for tech".  There you go again.  You're big on your perception that folks slander you, stop inserting your opinions into other's statements to try to make your point. 

Demand in many cases were brought about by salesmen who convinced lawmakers to make those things requirements.  It can be artificially driven by folks who have zero technical knowledge, but are motivated by greed. That's one of my biggest things about these "initiatives".  It's folks like you who think you know it all and think you know better than folks who have already done their due diligence. 

I demand a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range


C'mon man! Elon? Bill Gates?

Bill Gates is an interesting story.

Bill did not make his billions creating technology.  He made it by dropping out of Harvard, creating a program written in BASIC called "DOS", and then becoming a genius on how to market and LICENSE software in a growing market.

The whole story of how he destroyed IBM by licensing his OS and BASIC Compiler, then directly competing with them after 2 years with MS DOS is a lesson in pure genius.  The technology was ever changing, but the licensing of that technology is what gave him his edge.

Makes me wonder if evolution has peaked, and only the mentally strong among us will survive the next big population "correction."

There was a book about that. And how downs is the new evolution for humans.  That's why there are so many more downs cases today than 30 years ago.  Are humans too destructive (war, crime, etc...)?  How many guys with downs would start a war.  But on the other side, how many with downs can build technology like an electric car and battery?  So is humans next evolution to go backward and not forward?

You know many people in their 20's living on oahu who own houses?  Dang that's one interesting social circle.   Yes you are not allowed to modify the house....its in most agreements.

Having electricity running is in your lease?  You can use my gerble idea to create just enough that you need.  What if you don't pay  your heco bill?  Do they give you free power?  So power is not mandatory, but a choice.

He should move to Vegas.

Cheap houses (WAY cheaper than Hawaii).

Lower overall cost of living.

Lots of IT job opportunities.

And best of all, Hydro-Electric and Solar power.

Plus, they offer Concealed Carry, so he can protect himself from all those Freedom-hating Pro-Life Christians!

Because 1 company doesn't control the state (HECO), power is cheap because many are competing to sell.  Thank you capitalism.  My friends power bill is like $30 a month . This is with the AC running all day and night due to the 100 degree heat in a 3 bedroom home he bought brand new built for $340,000.  Actual cost brand new was $260K, but he added in upgrades.

He should move to Vegas.

Cheap houses (WAY cheaper than Hawaii).

Lower overall cost of living.

Lots of IT job opportunities.

And best of all, Hydro-Electric and Solar power.

Plus, they offer Concealed Carry, so he can protect himself from all those Freedom-hating Pro-Life Christians!

Vegas is turning into California I heard.  I thought about moving I like Hawaii weather and people.  All my friends and family live here.  Would be completely uprooted.

Having electricity running is in your lease?  You can use my gerble idea to create just enough that you need.  What if you don't pay  your heco bill?  Do they give you free power?  So power is not mandatory, but a choice.

Yall really want me to run out of power so I can stop posting here! 

There was a book about that. And how downs is the new evolution for humans.  That's why there are so many more downs cases today than 30 years ago.  Are humans too destructive (war, crime, etc...)?  How many guys with downs would start a war.  But on the other side, how many with downs can build technology like an electric car and battery?  So is humans next evolution to go backward and not forward?

Evolution does not sit atop technology.  Did you not see Planet of the Apes?   

Evolution changes the species so it may adapt and better survive.  If being less academically smart is a more advantageous trait, then I can see that as a trend.  However, nature requires strength and aggressiveness in most species to be capable of survival.  I don't see nature making us more passive to prevent wars.  If anything, some humans will become stronger and more aggressive so that they may win those wars.

Yall really want me to run out of power so I can stop posting here! 

Just tap onto your neighbor's wifi.  No tangible harm there, right?  :hmm:

Vegas is turning into California I heard.  I thought about moving I like Hawaii weather and people.  All my friends and family live here.  Would be completely uprooted.

None of that matters.  The only thing that matters is what you want and need TODAY! 

If you live in Vegas and can't get family and friends to visit, your problem is you.