Having electricity running is in your lease?  You can use my gerble idea to create just enough that you need.  What if you don't pay  your heco bill?  Do they give you free power?  So power is not mandatory, but a choice.

Electricity is a human right!

Power to the people!! 

Vegas is turning into California I heard.  I thought about moving I like Hawaii weather and people.  All my friends and family live here.  Would be completely uprooted.

Nevada/Vegas residents have a saying "Don't CA my Vegas".  It's pretty much assholes from CA moving doing the same asshole CA type stuff in Vegas.  Including voting.  There is a stereotype that has emerged when someone has a CA license plate.  Often they cut people off, park shitty, and honk their horn at the slightest thing, and road rage.  Not all, but often enough that the stereotype exist.  Same goes with assholes in stores or out and about.  "Bet they're from CA" is getting more common a phrase.  This was all pre Chyna-Virus.

Same goes with HI people. If you move to NV, you're still gonna vote blue?  Because you did mention you're  a democrat in the other post.  There was a FFL bill on the GOP governors desk which he didn't sign for a while. The current governor (DNC) signed it very soon after taking office.  You now need to go through a FFL to sell a firearm for private party to private party.  IIRC, the exception is family is excluded.  Even after the Vegas shooting, bump stocks were not banned at the state level in NV.  They did try though.

Many are also not happy about their new governor doing shut downs for Chyna-virus and the restrictions he put on HCQ.  This is what happens when you vote DNC.

Vegas was an option for us, but now it's back on the watch list because more and more CA type assholes moving and voting the same way they did back in CA.

Nevada/Vegas residents have a saying "Don't CA my Vegas".  It's pretty much assholes from CA moving doing the same asshole CA type stuff in Vegas.  Including voting.  There is a stereotype that has emerged when someone has a CA license plate.  Often they cut people off, park shitty, and honk their horn at the slightest thing, and road rage.  Not all, but often enough that the stereotype exist.  Same goes with assholes in stores or out and about.  "Bet they're from CA" is getting more common a phrase.  This was all pre Chyna-Virus.

Same goes with HI people. If you move to NV, you're still gonna vote blue?  Because you did mention you're  a democrat in the other post.  There was a FFL bill on the GOP governors desk which he didn't sign for a while. The current governor (DNC) signed it very soon after taking office.  You now need to go through a FFL to sell a firearm for private party to private party.  IIRC, the exception is family is excluded.  Even after the Vegas shooting, bump stocks were not banned at the state level in NV.  They did try though.

Many are also not happy about their new governor doing shut downs for Chyna-virus and the restrictions he put on HCQ.  This is what happens when you vote DNC.

Vegas was an option for us, but now it's back on the watch list because more and more CA type assholes moving and voting the same way they did back in CA.

The funny thing is, the more people that leave CA, the smaller their population.  Hence, the fewer Representatives and electoral votes they get.

Also, once Texas or Nevada become swing states, the GOP voters could move to CA, vote out the Dems, and turn CA Red.   

Nevada/Vegas residents have a saying "Don't CA my Vegas".  It's pretty much assholes from CA moving doing the same asshole CA type stuff in Vegas.  Including voting.  There is a stereotype that has emerged when someone has a CA license plate.  Often they cut people off, park shitty, and honk their horn at the slightest thing, and road rage.  Not all, but often enough that the stereotype exist.  Same goes with assholes in stores or out and about.  "Bet they're from CA" is getting more common a phrase.  This was all pre Chyna-Virus.

Same goes with HI people. If you move to NV, you're still gonna vote blue?  Because you did mention you're  a democrat in the other post.  There was a FFL bill on the GOP governors desk which he didn't sign for a while. The current governor (DNC) signed it very soon after taking office.  You now need to go through a FFL to sell a firearm for private party to private party.  IIRC, the exception is family is excluded.  Even after the Vegas shooting, bump stocks were not banned at the state level in NV.  They did try though.

Many are also not happy about their new governor doing shut downs for Chyna-virus and the restrictions he put on HCQ.  This is what happens when you vote DNC.

Vegas was an option for us, but now it's back on the watch list because more and more CA type assholes moving and voting the same way they did back in CA.

What i never said i was a democrat? I'm independent.  I belong to no party but tend to vote Republicans more often than democrats. 

I just don't like that Vegas is a desert. Fuck the heat.

What i never said i was a democrat? I'm independent.  I belong to no party but tend to vote Republicans more often than democrats. 

I just don't like that Vegas is a desert. Fuck the heat.

Ever hear of Air Conditioning?

And the heat is a "dry heart," unlike Hawaii where it feels like 110 when the trades stop blowing.

I don't like extremes of either heat or cold, but I can adapt, especially when most businesses you need are open 24/7.  Go out at night, and stay inside in the daytime.

They also have a few months where temps are very moderate -- even cold at night.  It snowed when I was there a few years ago.

What i never said i was a democrat? I'm independent.  I belong to no party but tend to vote Republicans more often than democrats. 

I just don't like that Vegas is a desert. Fuck the heat.

My mistake, i thought u said in a post youre a democrat, but voting 3rd party this election.

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Ever hear of Air Conditioning?

And the heat is a "dry heart," unlike Hawaii where it feels like 110 when the trades stop blowing.

I don't like extremes of either heat or cold, but I can adapt, especially when most businesses you need are open 24/7.  Go out at night, and stay inside in the daytime.

They also have a few months where temps are very moderate -- even cold at night.  It snowed when I was there a few years ago.

I've been to vegas, was a bit too dry for me.  I like to fish and the ocean sometimes.  But I think the worse is no family or friends up there.  Not sure my girlfriend would even be willing to move lol

My mistake, i thought u said in a post youre a democrat, but voting 3rd party this election.

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Nope I don't think I have ever been a democrat.  Kinda proud to be an independent if anything lol

Nope I don't think I have ever been a democrat.  Kinda proud to be an independent if anything lol

I head the Democrat and Republican National Committees have a restraining order against you trying to join.

You're not even allowed to tell people in jest you're affiliated with them.

You're not Independent by choice.  You're simply experiencing a lack of options.

 

I've been to vegas, was a bit too dry for me.  I like to fish and the ocean sometimes.  But I think the worse is no family or friends up there.  Not sure my girlfriend would even be willing to move lol

Well, deserts do tend to be dry.  But, if you have any respiratory or joint issues, desert states are a good choice.

If you're staying in Hawaii for family and friends and complaining about the cost of housing, maybe you need to reevaluate your options.  Lots of people leave this state to get into the housing market.  Nothing says it has to be forever.  Buy a starter home, sell when the price goes up, buy an upgrade, sell when that price goes up. 

In a couple of years, you might save enough buying and selling condos and houses to afford one in Hawaii.

Hell, sometimes it just takes one person in their circle to have the guts to take that leap, then your family and friends decide to follow you and have a better chance of improving their own lives, too.

But, if you're happy renting and staying in the same state until you die with little to nothing by way of real estate to show for all those years, it's no skin off my nose!   

Well, deserts do tend to be dry.  But, if you have any respiratory or joint issues, desert states are a good choice.

If you're staying in Hawaii for family and friends and complaining about the cost of housing, maybe you need to reevaluate your options.  Lots of people leave this state to get into the housing market.  Nothing says it has to be forever.  Buy a starter home, sell when the price goes up, buy an upgrade, sell when that price goes up. 

In a couple of years, you might save enough buying and selling condos and houses to afford one in Hawaii.

Hell, sometimes it just takes one person in their circle to have the guts to take that leap, then your family and friends decide to follow you and have a better chance of improving their own lives, too.

But, if you're happy renting and staying in the same state until you die with little to nothing by way of real estate to show for all those years, it's no skin off my nose!   

Lol I bought a condo here.  Just renting for a little while now.  Then in a years from now I can hopefully get a house.  Renting sucks I agree. 

Lol I bought a condo here.  Just renting for a little while now.  Then in a years from now I can hopefully get a house.  Renting socks I agree.

you rent socks?

you rent socks?

cheaper than warm apple pies. . .

 

cheaper than warm apple pies. . .

 

And can reuse a few times.

Well, deserts do tend to be dry.  But, if you have any respiratory or joint issues, desert states are a good choice.

If you're staying in Hawaii for family and friends and complaining about the cost of housing, maybe you need to reevaluate your options.  Lots of people leave this state to get into the housing market.  Nothing says it has to be forever.  Buy a starter home, sell when the price goes up, buy an upgrade, sell when that price goes up. 

In a couple of years, you might save enough buying and selling condos and houses to afford one in Hawaii.

Hell, sometimes it just takes one person in their circle to have the guts to take that leap, then your family and friends decide to follow you and have a better chance of improving their own lives, too.

But, if you're happy renting and staying in the same state until you die with little to nothing by way of real estate to show for all those years, it's no skin off my nose!   

^^^This. For us not moving, it's because I have a good job and would take a huge pay cut.  Even with the cost of living being a lot less on the mainland, I would come up short due to the pay cut.  And my job is 100% commission so to restart on the mainland puts me back at 10 cents a hour.  The wife's job can be done anywhere on the mainland and income will be about the same.

But if my income ever stopped for what ever reason, we will be definitely moving.

1 factor I see often with friends who move is that they had to move back after many  years to take care of their parents.  Even though the mainland has more options for old folks care and cheaper ones, at that stage of their old life, it's very hard on them to be in a new environment.  Kind of like teaching a dog new tricks.  Especially one if they're in a state that it's not common to just go holo holo (vegas too hot).  They would have to learn the bus system, train, area (no GPS usage on smart phone). Stuff like that is very hard to teach an old person.

So these people have to basically give up what they worked hard to restart a life on the mainland, only to come back and struggle again. A good idea would be to move the parents up once they retire.  That way they're able to still learn new things and get to know the area.

^^^This. For us not moving, it's because I have a good job and would take a huge pay cut.  Even with the cost of living being a lot less on the mainland, I would come up short due to the pay cut.  And my job is 100% commission so to restart on the mainland puts me back at 10 cents a hour.  The wife's job can be done anywhere on the mainland and income will be about the same.

But if my income ever stopped for what ever reason, we will be definitely moving.

1 factor I see often with friends who move is that they had to move back after many  years to take care of their parents.  Even though the mainland has more options for old folks care and cheaper ones, at that stage of their old life, it's very hard on them to be in a new environment.  Kind of like teaching a dog new tricks.  Especially one if they're in a state that it's not common to just go holo holo (vegas too hot).  They would have to learn the bus system, train, area (no GPS usage on smart phone). Stuff like that is very hard to teach an old person.

So these people have to basically give up what they worked hard to restart a life on the mainland, only to come back and struggle again. A good idea would be to move the parents up once they retire.  That way they're able to still learn new things and get to know the area.

Yeah unless you move in with parents and then your housing situation is solved and you either inherit the house or can buy out siblings.   Yeah getting a new Job is a bit difficult.  I enjoy my current job.  Its stable.  If i wanted to chase money I would have to go to comifornia or similar tech zone, so back to square one.  Chill rural towns with affordable housing aint looking for a cloud computing tech worker. 

And can reuse a few times.

As long as you no flex on 'um too hard 

Yeah unless you move in with parents and then your housing situation is solved and you either inherit the house or can buy out siblings.   Yeah getting a new Job is a bit difficult.  I enjoy my current job.  Its stable.  If i wanted to chase money I would have to go to comifornia or similar tech zone, so back to square one.  Chill rural towns with affordable housing aint looking for a cloud computing tech worker.

Who said anything about chasing money?

We're talking about options to be able to afford to buy a house in Hawaii. 

After about a year here, a new hire with my contracting company came to work with me.  He was newly married to a woman working for a different contractor -- same building.

They were living with her parents in mililani Mauka, trying to earn enough between the two of them to save for a downpayment on a house themselves.

After 5 years, 2 kids and a job change for him, they finally had what they needed to qualify for a mortgage.  In the meantime, the grandparents had to live in the same house with 2 infants.

I'm sure the grandparents liked taking care of the kids, but with both parents working full time, that's a bit much for me personally.

Anyway, in Hawaii, living with the parents until long after college is very common.  I'm sure the Omni-plan of hoping the parents kick off early and leave you a windfall works for a few, but it's not exactly a "plan".

1 factor I see often with friends who move is that they had to move back after many  years to take care of their parents.  Even though the mainland has more options for old folks care and cheaper ones, at that stage of their old life, it's very hard on them to be in a new environment.  Kind of like teaching a dog new tricks.  Especially one if they're in a state that it's not common to just go holo holo (vegas too hot).  They would have to learn the bus system, train, area (no GPS usage on smart phone). Stuff like that is very hard to teach an old person.

So these people have to basically give up what they worked hard to restart a life on the mainland, only to come back and struggle again. A good idea would be to move the parents up once they retire.  That way they're able to still learn new things and get to know the area.

That's where I'm at. You know what would make things really really really, like REALLY easier to live here? If you aren't physically handicapped don't use the handicap stall.
My dad's in a wheelchair - disabled. It's rare that I find a stall close to the grocery store so I don't have to wheel him from across the parking lot and across lanes of traffic.

That's where I'm at. You know what would make things really really really, like REALLY easier to live here? If you aren't physically handicapped don't use the handicap stall.
My dad's in a wheelchair - disabled. It's rare that I find a stall close to the grocery store so I don't have to wheel him from across the parking lot and across lanes of traffic.

If you see a car in a HC spot without a HC tag or windshield placard, take a couple of pictures with your cell phone.  That records the type of car, license plate, lack of required HC parking permits, and date & time.  Take that to the store manager.  If you get lucky, the manager can contact whoever is authorized to ticket in that parking area.

Calling 911 rarely works.  HC violators are not a high priority.  There are auxiliary police volunteers who are specifically assigned to enforce HC parking restrictions.