People in comas who are brain dead are alive physically but not human level alive.  They are like unborn fetuses.

Same reason doctors are not charged with murder when they take someone off  life support.

Bullshit. People are put into medical comas all the time. They are not brain dead. But they are unconscious which according to you makes them dead. People who are unconscious are not brain dead. They are alive and are not conscious. According to you people who are unconscious are not alive.. Guess when I got knocked out at work a couple of times I died. That is according to you.

Do you know how stupid you sound right now?

Trees are not alive in the sense cutting them down not is murder.  Nor is killing a chicken murder.  They are alive but not human level alive. Humans are a higher level of life.  It's made hard to explain this as there's no exact term that i know of for the uniqueness of human life.  We are the only creatures on earth with human consciousness.

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my doggy has more human consciousness than some humans I know

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my doggy has more human consciousness than some humans I know

Bullshit. People are put into medical comas all the time. They are not brain dead. But they are unconscious which according to you makes them dead. People who are unconscious are not brain dead. They are alive and are not conscious. According to you people who are unconscious are not alive.. Guess when I got knocked out at work a couple of times I died. That is according to you.

Do you know how stupid you sound right now?

There's a difference between medically induced and brain dead....You don't die when you sleep.   Fetuses have no functioning brains.  Braindead people have no functioning brains.  If you were put under anesthesia you have a functioning brain still.  Its fairly simple concept.

Do you have a functioning brain/consciousness?
 -> yes -> you are human level alive
-> no ->  you are not human level alive

Anesthesia, getting knocked out, sleeping, all these things your brain is still functioning and you still have human consciousness.

There's a difference between medically induced and brain dead....You don't die when you sleep.   Fetuses have no functioning brains.  Braindead people have no functioning brains.  If you were put under anesthesia you have a functioning brain still.  Its fairly simple concept.

Do you have a functioning brain/consciousness?
 -> yes -> you are human level alive
-> no ->  you are not human level alive

Anesthesia, getting knocked out, sleeping, all these things your brain is still functioning and you still have human consciousness.

So are so full of shit. You said:

I believe human life needs consciousness to be alive. Simple as that. (SNIP)

So now you are back peddling. Spewing more crap as you go along. So now I caught you with your own words. It is not as simple as that, is it? Admit it. Now you have to qualify what you say because you said something wrong the first time. So which is it? Simple as that? Or more BULLSHIT. Stop dude. You are just digging your hole even deeper.

Here is something for you to ponder liar:

Definition of unconsciousness:
the state of being unconscious.
"someone gave me a crack across the head and I slipped into unconsciousness"

Based on your simple words the person who is unconscious is dead. Now you say he’s not. Which time did you lie? The first time or the second time? IDIOT!  Do you really think someone is going to believe you now that you are back pedaling and having to take back what you said? You have no credibility now. Actually you didn’t have any before. Just stop dude.

So are so full of shit. You said:

So now you are back peddling. Spewing more crap as you go along. So now I caught you with your own words. It is not as simple as that, is it? Admit it. Now you have to qualify what you say because you said something wrong the first time. So which is it? Simple as that? Or more BULLSHIT. Stop dude. You are just digging your hole even deeper.

Here is something for you to ponder liar:

Definition of unconsciousness:
the state of being unconscious.
"someone gave me a crack across the head and I slipped into unconsciousness"

Based on your simple words the person who is unconscious is dead. Now you say he’s not. Which time did you lie? The first time or the second time? IDIOT!  Do you really think someone is going to believe you now that you are back pedaling and having to take back what you said? You have no credibility now. Actually you didn’t have any before. Just stop dude.

I guess a less misunderstanding term is sentience.  You need human sentience to be alive.  That was my fault,  I relate human consciousness with sentience. I am not back peddling, never did.  I may have used a misunderstood term and for that I apologize. 

Its difficult because there isn't a one word term for what it means to be human.  Sentience is guess is a better term.  I will use this term from now on.

Fetuses are not sentient
Braindead coma patients are not sentient

sleeping people,  knocked out people, etc are sentient

I guess a less misunderstanding term is sentience.  You need human sentience to be alive.  That was my fault,  I relate human consciousness with sentience. I am not back peddling, never did.  I may have used a misunderstood term and for that I apologize. 

Its difficult because there isn't a one word term for what it means to be human.  Sentience is guess is a better term.  I will use this term from now on.

Fetuses are not sentient
Braindead coma patients are not sentient

sleeping people,  knocked out people, etc are sentient

You said “Simple as that”. No one here misunderstood it but you. You are trying to back peddle on your back peddling and then you lie about back peddling. Dude just stop before you can’t dig your way out any more. Whoops, too late! 

You said “Simple as that”. No one here misunderstood it but you. You are trying to back peddle on your back peddling and then you lie about back peddling. Dude just stop before you can’t dig your way out any more. Whoops, too late! 

If replace "human consciousness" with human sentience.  My point still stands 100% valid.  Don't end up like flapp and make arguments solely on Ad hominem arguments. Just because a term that was not understood by everyone equally used does not mean the argument is moot.  If a correction to a definition agreed upon by the masses is made and everyone has an understanding the substance of the facts remain.  There is no single term to describe the uniqueness of human thought and humanism.  What's makes us unique from all other creatures.  Sentience, human consciousness, human awareness,  human intelligence.  All things unique to living humans.  Not fetuses or brain dead bodies. 

If replace "human consciousness" with human sentience.  My point still stands 100% valid.  Don't end up like flapp and make arguments solely on Ad hominem arguments. Just because a term that was not understood by everyone equally used does not mean the argument is moot.  If a correction to a definition agreed upon by the masses is made and everyone has an understanding the substance of the facts remain.  There is no single term to describe the uniqueness of human thought and humanism.  What's makes us unique from all other creatures.  Sentience, human consciousness, human awareness,  human intelligence.  All things unique to living humans.  Not fetuses or brain dead bodies.

You just keep digging dude. Back peddling is not a good trait to have. 

There's a difference between medically induced and brain dead....You don't die when you sleep.   Fetuses have no functioning brains.  Braindead people have no functioning brains.  If you were put under anesthesia you have a functioning brain still.  Its fairly simple concept.

Do you have a functioning brain/consciousness?
 -> yes -> you are human level alive
-> no ->  you are not human level alive

Anesthesia, getting knocked out, sleeping, all these things your brain is still functioning and you still have human consciousness.

What if you were brain dead but by some miracle we knew they’d regain their cognitive functions in about 9 months ( )

You just keep digging dude. Back peddling is not a good trait to have. 

Hey!  It takes time to google up argument opinions.  His iFag coverage may be spotty.

The more I see y'all dealing with this clown, the more I suspect it is female, what with he endless arguing and intense interest in abortions.

And the desperation to get the last word in, it appears.  Thankfully I was told about that ignore function on this site.

Hey!  It takes time to google up argument opinions.  His iFag coverage may be spotty.

The more I see y'all dealing with this clown, the more I suspect it is female, what with he endless arguing and intense interest in abortions.

And the desperation to get the last word in, it appears.  Thankfully I was told about that ignore function on this site.

killing me Smalls with the iFag references 

Hey!  It takes time to google up argument opinions.  His iFag coverage may be spotty.

The more I see y'all dealing with this clown, the more I suspect it is female, what with he endless arguing and intense interest in abortions.

And the desperation to get the last word in, it appears.  Thankfully I was told about that ignore function on this site.

I think the ignore function is in order for this one as well. The more I see it lie and then try to cover up the lies with more lies I get tired dealing with it. Especially since it is apparently too narrow minded to realize it. Just keep letting it dig it’s hole it will eventually not be able to get out.

This thread reminds me of a touching story from Readers Digest.

Last night I was sitting in the living room, talking to my wife about life.. In between, we talked about the idea of living or dying. I told her : 'Never let me live in a vegetative state, totally dependent on machines and liquids from a bottle. If you see me in that state I want you to disconnect all the connections that are keeping me alive, I'd much rather die.'

My wife got up from her seat with a look of admiration towards me and proceeded to disconnect the Cable tv, DVD, the Computer, the Cell Phone, the iPod, and the Xbox, and went to the bar and threw away all my whisky, Gin, Vodka the Beer from the fridge...

I ALMOST DIED!!

Think before you speak. The female brain works on a different wavelength!

I'm not talking about those types of unplanned. I'm talking about people getting pregnant when they don't want to at all.  Like a fling, one night stand.   Meet a girl at a party/club/tinder. Those happen all the time. Or teen pregnancy. Or prostitution or drugs.  The chances of a happy family unit and a child having a positive family experience are slim.  Many of those cases the child suffers.

Those things happen much less frequently when people understand there are potential consequences that may not be erased in a clinic.

Take away the negative results, and behaviors shift toward that act.

You pretend humans are slaves to their desires.

Must suck to live in your reality.

People in comas who are brain dead are alive physically but not human level alive.  They are like unborn fetuses.

Same reason doctors are not charged with murder when they take someone off  life support.

How can you even think this is a valid comparison?

Removing life support is WITHHOLDING medical treatment, not directly killing the patient.  They are only allowing the patient to succumb to natural causes.

In an abortion, the treatment itself involves actively killing the fetus.  If you let nature take its course, just like you did in removing life support, in all likelihood the baby will be born.

There's no comparison.  Your analogy is equivalent to saying watching a person drown is the same as shooting them in the head.

If replace "human consciousness" with human sentience.  My point still stands 100% valid.  Don't end up like flapp and make arguments solely on Ad hominem arguments. Just because a term that was not understood by everyone equally used does not mean the argument is moot.  If a correction to a definition agreed upon by the masses is made and everyone has an understanding the substance of the facts remain.  There is no single term to describe the uniqueness of human thought and humanism.  What's makes us unique from all other creatures.  Sentience, human consciousness, human awareness,  human intelligence.  All things unique to living humans.  Not fetuses or brain dead bodies.

"Sentience" and "Consciousness" are synonyms.

Do you even read what you write?  Better yet, do you comprehend what you write?

I notice you only Google things to use as sources, but you neglect to Google words to make sure you understand them.

It's not just that you don't know, it's that what you think you know is wrong.

What if you were brain dead but by some miracle we knew they’d regain their cognitive functions in about 9 months ( )

Lol can't predict the future and shouldn't judge the present by the future.  Your sperm is one sex away from making a baby.  Don't make all your sperm babies.

The current present state the fetus lacks sentience.  Just like the present state of your splunk.

"Sentience" and "Consciousness" are synonyms.

Do you even read what you write?  Better yet, do you comprehend what you write?

I notice you only Google things to use as sources, but you neglect to Google words to make sure you understand them.

It's not just that you don't know, it's that what you think you know is wrong.

I kept getting called out for using the term conscious because you can lose that getting knocked out apparently. Sentience is more permanent. There's no perfect word to describe human self awariness, intellect and life. 

How can you even think this is a valid comparison?

Removing life support is WITHHOLDING medical treatment, not directly killing the patient.  They are only allowing the patient to succumb to natural causes.

In an abortion, the treatment itself involves actively killing the fetus.  If you let nature take its course, just like you did in removing life support, in all likelihood the baby will be born.

There's no comparison.  Your analogy is equivalent to saying watching a person drown is the same as shooting them in the head.

Incorrect that's semantics.  Do you advocate the removal of fetuses then watching them die naturally outside the womb? They both can't live without a machine or womb.