14th under privacy  which includes the government not invading your privacy of what you do with your own body.   Back when the Constitution was being written.  Nothing like today was possible, it was medically very ancient.

Medically ancient?  LOL!

Maybe they left out a "medical amendment" because they knew that the FEDERAL government had no reason, or jurisdiction, to intervene in medical questions.

That by default makes abortion and all other medical (it's my body) questions up to the states -- as it should be.

It's almost impossible to pass any one-size-fits-all laws at the federal level of ANY issues.  Most are best left to the state and local governments, since they are closer to the people affected by the laws.

Federal laws are intended to protect the states.  Unfortunately, the politicians were able to start down that slippery slope when they started making Constitutional amendments like Prohibition.  The fact that it was repealed proves the federal government is not the appropriate level for making universal laws unless the issue is DIRECTLY called out in the Constitution. 

Abortion is according to you a medical issue.  Ask yourself why there is not a federal law protecting all specific medical procedures.  Haven't seen anyone marching for Constitutional protections for, say, fertility treatments, or transgender hormone therapy, or even organ donations and transplants.

Maybe it's because abortion is not about protecting a woman's rights, but more about blocking state's rights to debate, vote on and pass their own laws on the issues?

14th under privacy  which includes the government not invading your privacy of what you do with your own body.   Back when the Constitution was being written.  Nothing like today was possible, it was medically very ancient.

so the 2nd amendment only covers muskets?

so the 2nd amendment only covers muskets?

I am literally arguing the opposite?  Because they can't predict the future they left it open.  They didn't know you can do abortions or grow boobs.  So they just protected your privacy and right to do what you want with your body....

I am literally arguing the opposite?  Because they can't predict the future they left it open.  They didn't know you can do abortions or grow boobs.  So they just protected your privacy and right to do what you want with your body....

a fetus is not the same as a boob job

a fetus is not the same as a boob job

Similar as in its your body your privacy.  If you want to grow boobs, abort a fetus, cut off your dick that's all your privacy.  Government doesn't pry into your life and what you do with your body.  Same with gay marriage etc.

Medically ancient?  LOL!

Maybe they left out a "medical amendment" because they knew that the FEDERAL government had no reason, or jurisdiction, to intervene in medical questions.

That by default makes abortion and all other medical (it's my body) questions up to the states -- as it should be.

It's almost impossible to pass any one-size-fits-all laws at the federal level of ANY issues.  Most are best left to the state and local governments, since they are closer to the people affected by the laws.

Federal laws are intended to protect the states.  Unfortunately, the politicians were able to start down that slippery slope when they started making Constitutional amendments like Prohibition.  The fact that it was repealed proves the federal government is not the appropriate level for making universal laws unless the issue is DIRECTLY called out in the Constitution. 

Abortion is according to you a medical issue.  Ask yourself why there is not a federal law protecting all specific medical procedures.  Haven't seen anyone marching for Constitutional protections for, say, fertility treatments, or transgender hormone therapy, or even organ donations and transplants.

Maybe it's because abortion is not about protecting a woman's rights, but more about blocking state's rights to debate, vote on and pass their own laws on the issues?

More like the opposite,  they guarantee your right to privacy AKA do what you want with yourself and your body and no government intervention.  They did this cause you can't predict that surgeries or technology is in the future.  Just like how they didn't say muskets in the 2nd amendment and just said "arms".
The 14th amendment protects fertility treatments, or transgender hormone therapy, or even organ donations and transplants.  That's because that's your own prerogatives.  The government doesn't need to know,  its your privacy, your body.  Its so the states cant ban certain guns (the 2nd) and the states can't invade your privacy (the 14th).  Just like the 1st protects internet speech even though there was no internet when it was created.

Similar as in its your body your privacy.  If you want to grow boobs, abort a fetus, cut off your dick that's all your privacy.  Government doesn't pry into your life and what you do with your body.  Same with gay marriage etc.

More like the opposite,  they guarantee your right to privacy AKA do what you want with yourself and your body and no government intervention.  They did this cause you can't predict that surgeries or technology is in the future.  Just like how they didn't say muskets in the 2nd amendment and just said "arms".
The 14th amendment protects fertility treatments, or transgender hormone therapy, or even organ donations and transplants.  That's because that's your own prerogatives.  The government doesn't need to know,  its your privacy, your body.  Its so the states cant ban certain guns (the 2nd) and the states can't invade your privacy (the 14th).  Just like the 1st protects internet speech even though there was no internet when it was created.

Show me where the word "privacy" is used in the Constitution. 

The 4th limits gov't in how they are able to gather evidence of crimes.  To apply it to abortions was a severe stretch.  Based on that ruling, ANYTHING one does with their own body is protected.  Not the case at all.

I've made this point many times, but you ignore it.

The 14th amendment, ironically, protects citizens against gov't violation of certain other rights, such as depriving one of LIFE -- not "privacy":   

"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Show me where the word "privacy" is used in the Constitution. 

The 4th limits gov't in how they are able to gather evidence of crimes.  To apply it to abortions was a severe stretch.  Based on that ruling, ANYTHING one does with their own body is protected.  Not the case at all.

I've made this point many times, but you ignore it.

The 14th amendment, ironically, protects citizens against gov't violation of certain other rights, such as depriving one of LIFE -- not "privacy":   

"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Yes we have had this argument before.  I see it the same way that the supreme court saw it.  You do not. Not sure what else I can say at this point.
https://www.livescience.com/37398-right-to-privacy.html


All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

We can argue about life all day but it comes down to Liberty. 

Yes we have had this argument before.  I see it the same way that the supreme court saw it.  You do not. Not sure what else I can say at this point.
https://www.livescience.com/37398-right-to-privacy.html


All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

We can argue about life all day but it comes down to Liberty.

Wrong again.  It's about due process, not "liberty."

Actually, 2 of the nine justices agreed with me, so trying to invoke "The Supreme Court" saying they agree with you is false.  The majority -- yes.  The entire Court -- no.

In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision ruling that the Due Process Clause
of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a "right to privacy" that protects
a pregnant woman's right to choose whether or not to have an abortion.

But it also ruled that this right is not absolute, and must be balanced against the
government's interests in protecting women's health and protecting prenatal life.

You said many times that Roe v Wade protects a woman's right to have an abortion without any limits.  That is factually incorrect.

Just because you believe something is true doesn't mean it is.

Wrong again.  It's about due process, not "liberty."

Actually, 2 of the nine justices agreed with me, so trying to invoke "The Supreme Court" saying they agree with you is false.  The majority -- yes.  The entire Court -- no.

You said many times that Roe v Wade protects a woman's right to have an abortion without any limits.  That is factually incorrect.

Just because you believe something is true doesn't mean it is.

That's true.  Though I believe I said it had to be non viable.   If i were to compromise I would say up to the 3rd trimester, unless there is a genetic defect then anytime is fine.

That's true.  Though I believe I said it had to be non viable.   If i were to compromise I would say up to the 3rd trimester, unless there is a genetic defect then anytime is fine.

What if that genetic "defect" turned out to be an evolutionary enhancement or improvement necessary for the survival of the species?

There is certainly evidence that autistic savants have advanced (abnormal) abilities in addition to their inability to process environmental input like "normal" people.

This is the inherent danger in arrogantly assuming that "normal" is the only standard for "viable" or "worthy".

What if that genetic "defect" turned out to be an evolutionary enhancement or improvement necessary for the survival of the species?

There is certainly evidence that autistic savants have advanced (abnormal) abilities in addition to their inability to process environmental input like "normal" people.

This is the inherent danger in arrogantly assuming that "normal" is the only standard for "viable" or "worthy".

That's a fucking stretch. I'm talking about down syndrome, physical issues.  Don't tell me being born missing limbs, heart outside your body etc is a human evolution positive point... that's not only cruel to the parents but to the child too.

That's a fucking stretch. I'm talking about down syndrome, physical issues.  Don't tell me being born missing limbs, heart outside your body etc is a human evolution positive point... that's not only cruel to the parents but to the child too.

And you're fucking arrogant to believe you know anything about genetics.

Down Syndrome is caused by a SINGLE chromosome (21) being created through cellular division, creating an extra partial or full chromosome.

From the Mayo Clinic:

Better understanding of Down syndrome and early interventions can greatly increase the
quality of life for children and adults with this disorder and help them live fulfilling lives.

Each person with Down syndrome is an individual — intellectual and developmental
problems may be mild, moderate or severe. Some people are healthy while others have
significant health problems such as serious heart defects.

Man with Down syndrome owns, operates ‘world’s
friendliest restaurant’ that doles out kindness

The self-proclaimed "world's friendliest restaurant" sits in Albuquerque, N.M. and
serves "breakfast, lunch and hugs" every day of the week.

The kicker? Tim's Place may be the only restaurant in the country owned and operated
by someone, 27-year-old Tim Harris, with Down syndrome, his parents say.

"When you have a kid with substantial disabilities you have to think a lot about their
future," Keith Harris, Tim's father, told ABC News. "We were very motivated for Tim
to have as normal as life as possible. Our philosophy as a family was to push the envelope
as much as we could toward independence, so that one day when my wife and I are no
longer in the picture, Tim will be settled and have his own life."

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/world-friendliest-restaurant-doles-kindness-n-m-article-1.1279348

I bet you've never been exposed to any significant degree to anyone with any kind of birth defect.  If you had, you would not be so cavalier in your attitude and immediate willingness to kill a baby in the 3rd trimester because the child won't be "perfect" in your eyes.

Self centered doesn't even begin to describe you ...

And you're fucking arrogant to believe you know anything about genetics.

Down Syndrome is caused by a SINGLE chromosome (21) being created through cellular division, creating an extra partial or full chromosome.

From the Mayo Clinic:

Man with Down syndrome owns, operates ‘world’s
friendliest restaurant’ that doles out kindness

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/world-friendliest-restaurant-doles-kindness-n-m-article-1.1279348

I bet you've never been exposed to any significant degree to anyone with any kind of birth defect.  If you had, you would not be so cavalier in your attitude and immediate willingness to kill a baby in the 3rd trimester because the child won't be "perfect" in your eyes.

Self centered doesn't even begin to describe you ...

I know what down syndrome is,  and the fact you can test for it.  Maybe I'm some sort of super monster but yes I think you should abort.  Sure some can live fulfilling lives but how many can't?   What about the parents? Why would you willingly choose that.   Would you honestly choose that? 

I am blessed that no one i know suffered any major issues, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. 

And yes I'm sorry for desiring perfect children. I'm open to generic editing and everything so I guess my ethics clearly isn't like yours. 

And yes I'm sorry for desiring perfect children. I'm open to generic editing and everything so I guess my ethics clearly isn't like yours.

the perfect race....hmmm...

I know what down syndrome is,  and the fact you can test for it.  Maybe I'm some sort of super monster but yes I think you should abort.  Sure some can live fulfilling lives but how many can't?   What about the parents? Why would you willingly choose that.   Would you honestly choose that? 

I am blessed that no one i know suffered any major issues, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. 

And yes I'm sorry for desiring perfect children. I'm open to generic editing and everything so I guess my ethics clearly isn't like yours.

You and your wife get preggos. You find out that your child has Downs. You want to abort, but your wife is steadfast against. What do you do?

Not being critical. Genuinely curious on your position on that.

I know what down syndrome is,  and the fact you can test for it.  Maybe I'm some sort of super monster but yes I think you should abort.  Sure some can live fulfilling lives but how many can't?   What about the parents? Why would you willingly choose that.   Would you honestly choose that? 

I am blessed that no one i know suffered any major issues, and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. 

And yes I'm sorry for desiring perfect children. I'm open to generic editing and everything so I guess my ethics clearly isn't like yours.

you guess?

You and your wife get preggos. You find out that your child has Downs. You want to abort, but your wife is steadfast against. What do you do?

Not being critical. Genuinely curious on your position on that.

because freedom...

the perfect race....hmmm...

Perfect human.  Race don't matter is just physical looks. 

You and your wife get preggos. You find out that your child has Downs. You want to abort, but your wife is steadfast against. What do you do?

Not being critical. Genuinely curious on your position on that.

Hmmm not sure.  I would have that talk with her before we get to that point.   So I know we are on the same page. 

Someone tried to make the perfect race Liebensborne. Lead singer from ABBA is 1. That group who sang Dancing Queen.

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