Poll

What is your stance on abortion?

Under no circumstances allowed
29.6%
Under rape/incest
25.9%
Under Medical or Genetic issues.
7.4%
Personal choice
33.3%
Forced
3.7%
Total Members Voted
27

Abortion (Read 227232 times)

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #860 on: September 02, 2021, 11:52:10 AM »

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #861 on: September 02, 2021, 12:44:20 PM »
That Texas law is bizarre.

Glasser

Re: Abortion
« Reply #862 on: September 02, 2021, 12:48:12 PM »
Not really, TX is getting flooded with Blue State liberals moving to fresh lands with freedom after fleeing the beds they shat up in CA OR  etc etc. Passing this law might convince them the F off back to where they came from, or at least stop more from coming.


Drive around Oahu and there are tons of new out of state plates everywhere. They aren't military, it's crappy liberals fleeing the mess that is the mainland.

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #863 on: September 02, 2021, 12:54:10 PM »
The law is bizarre though.
It’s like there is no criminal penalty for violating it to be enforced by the State.
But any party can sue any person involved in the abortion after arguably 6 weeks. From advisors, to people providing transportation to the doctor to healthcare facility to the person who got the abortion.
It’s like the law gives everyone standing in a lawsuit against any aiders and abettors and the individual if they get an abortion after a fetal heart beat is detected.
Unless I read it wrong. Bizarre.

Passed The Supreme Court though. Barely.

groveler

Re: Abortion
« Reply #864 on: September 02, 2021, 01:03:07 PM »
Not really, TX is getting flooded with Blue State liberals moving to fresh lands with freedom after fleeing the beds they shat up in CA OR  etc etc. Passing this law might convince them the F off back to where they came from, or at least stop more from coming.


Drive around Oahu and there are tons of new out of state plates everywhere. They aren't military, it's crappy liberals fleeing the mess that is the mainland.
At least they can't screw up Hawaii government any worse than it already is.
 :wacko:

changemyoil66

Re: Abortion
« Reply #865 on: September 02, 2021, 01:14:17 PM »
Not really, TX is getting flooded with Blue State liberals moving to fresh lands with freedom after fleeing the beds they shat up in CA OR  etc etc. Passing this law might convince them the F off back to where they came from, or at least stop more from coming.


Drive around Oahu and there are tons of new out of state plates everywhere. They aren't military, it's crappy liberals fleeing the mess that is the mainland.
Luckily, HI is already jacked up. Vegas people have a saying. Dont california my nevada.

Most major cities in TX are blue. Its the red smaller areas that keep the state red. San antonio, houston, dallas, austin, all blue.

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Brystont1

Re: Abortion
« Reply #866 on: September 02, 2021, 01:15:37 PM »
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drck1000

Re: Abortion
« Reply #867 on: September 02, 2021, 01:35:07 PM »
Not really, TX is getting flooded with Blue State liberals moving to fresh lands with freedom after fleeing the beds they shat up in CA OR  etc etc. Passing this law might convince them the F off back to where they came from, or at least stop more from coming.


Drive around Oahu and there are tons of new out of state plates everywhere. They aren't military, it's crappy liberals fleeing the mess that is the mainland.
That's what a number of close friends (from Hawaii) as well as folks I work with have said.  There are many areas that have become liberal hot bets.  Areas like DFW are quickly turning super liberal.  I've seen it in person, albeit 2-3 years ago. 

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #868 on: September 02, 2021, 01:44:53 PM »
Austin is definitely getting Uber liberal.
Even my daughter likes it.

The law is bizarre though.
It’s like there is no criminal penalty for violating it to be enforced by the State.
But any party can sue any person involved in the abortion after arguably 6 weeks. From advisors, to people providing transportation to the doctor to healthcare facility to the person who got the abortion.
It’s like the law gives everyone standing in a lawsuit against any aiders and abettors and the individual if they get an abortion after a fetal heart beat is detected.
Unless I read it wrong. Bizarre.

Passed The Supreme Court though. Barely.

But what about this bizarre law though ?
« Last Edit: September 02, 2021, 01:51:51 PM by aieahound »

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #869 on: September 02, 2021, 02:08:11 PM »
The law is beyond bizarre.  Slippy slopes,  neighbors turning in others.  Nazi's #oilfacts

If people thought the courts had frivolous lawsuits before now its going to turn into a clusterfu^k.   One of the worst laws Texas passed in a while. Should have been overturned in the courts.  But the supreme court punted it away. All this serves is making poor people have kids and rich people traveling out of state to get abortions.  Some foreign embassy should open up a clinic as a big fu^k you to the morons.

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #870 on: September 02, 2021, 02:21:31 PM »
Not unconstitutional apparently. By 5-4 vote.
Still very interesting though. Give everybody standing in a civil case under a criminal code with no criminal penalty ?
That’ll be interesting.
Or I’m reading this whole thing wrong and someone please correct me.

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #871 on: September 02, 2021, 02:26:40 PM »
Not unconstitutional apparently. By 5-4 vote.
Still very interesting though. Give everybody standing in a civil case under a criminal code with no criminal penalty ?
That’ll be interesting.
Or I’m reading this whole thing wrong and someone please correct me.

From what I gather they denied a request to stop the law.  They did not say the law is valid or legal.

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #872 on: September 02, 2021, 02:36:41 PM »
“The Texas law bars state officials from actually enforcing it, a design intended to make it difficult to challenge in the courts.

Usually a lawsuit aiming to block such a law as unconstitutional names state officials as defendants. Instead, the Texas law deputizes private citizens to sue anyone who performs an abortion or “aids and abets” a procedure. Plaintiffs who have no connection to the patient or the clinic may sue and recover legal fees, as well as $10,000 if they win.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/01/health/texas-abortion-law-facts.html

They surely said it wasn’t unconstitutional prima facie. Although there a major disagreement on that within the court.
It needs to go back to the lower courts and climb it’s way up the ladder.

The above is the wild premise though.

macsak

Re: Abortion
« Reply #873 on: September 02, 2021, 02:39:46 PM »
From what I gather they denied a request to stop the law.  They did not say the law is valid or legal.

bruh
you have said previously that if the supreme court refuses to hear a case that means it is not proven in a court of law...

Glasser

Re: Abortion
« Reply #874 on: September 02, 2021, 02:49:44 PM »
“The Texas law bars state officials from actually enforcing it, a design intended to make it difficult to challenge in the courts.

Usually a lawsuit aiming to block such a law as unconstitutional names state officials as defendants. Instead, the Texas law deputizes private citizens to sue anyone who performs an abortion or “aids and abets” a procedure. Plaintiffs who have no connection to the patient or the clinic may sue and recover legal fees, as well as $10,000 if they win.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/01/health/texas-abortion-law-facts.html

They surely said it wasn’t unconstitutional prima facie. Although there a major disagreement on that within the court.
It needs to go back to the lower courts and climb it’s way up the ladder.

The above is the wild premise though.

Ironic though isn't it, takes a page right out of the Dem playbook and makes you suffer via the courts for years and burn up all your savings on lawyers. Also solves the problem of people who want to martyr themselves by pushing the issue going to prison and have celebrities rally around them to fight the man. Now you just have to stand before a judge for 25 dates over a couple years til you go broke.

Dems want everything to be Lawfare, enjoy your own medicine.

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #875 on: September 02, 2021, 03:12:17 PM »
But why would Dems wanna effectively ban abortion ?
Or are the Repubs taking pages out the Dems playbook ?
Going down the same road ?
If this law fly’s it’s a wild law that could change a lot of things.
No criminal penalty, but illegal, and anyone, and everyone, can sue you….
I still hope I’m interpreting this wrong.

Glasser

Re: Abortion
« Reply #876 on: September 02, 2021, 03:14:52 PM »
But why would Dems wanna effectively ban abortion ?
Or are the Repubs taking pages out the Dems playbook ?
If this law fly’s it’s a wild law that could change a lot of things.
No criminal penalty, but illegal, and anyone, and everyone, can sue you ?

Dems like to  push their  liberal agenda with 'F*ck You Sue Me' TX answered with 'Enjoy Being Sued'.

They are trolling them hard.

Cancel Culture on Steroids.

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #877 on: September 02, 2021, 03:25:22 PM »
Didn’t consider that angle. Actually laughed out loud pondering it.
Lawyers are gonna love it.
Is this a game we really want to play ?
(Not with abortion but with laws in general) 

But it backdoored abortion rights dramatically.

Think about it. A crime with no criminal penalty but anyone can sue you and everyone that touched you including the counselor you saw and the driver of the ride you caught.

Glasser

Re: Abortion
« Reply #878 on: September 02, 2021, 03:36:33 PM »
Biden and his government has been sh*tting hard on TX from day 1. Stopping The Wall, releasing Illegals into their state en masse, a lot of them COVID infected. Biden took a huge dump on their biggest source of income Energy.

This is a nice big middle finger to his administration, word was Joe flipped when he heard the SCOTUS said 'not our problem'. Crown jewel of Dem philosophy just got robbed from them.

TX AG has been giving other states the blue prints for legal fights for a while now. Watch other dominoes fall, might be the beginning of the 'National Divorce'.

Glasser

Re: Abortion
« Reply #879 on: September 02, 2021, 03:49:41 PM »


Think about it. A crime with no criminal penalty but anyone can sue you and everyone that touched you including the counselor you saw and the driver of the ride you caught.

Not all that different than the strike fear into the hearts psyop over COVID is it? 100% a whole buncha folks just noped out.

It will be interesting to see if this becomes a massive legal money sink that drains the bank accounts of liberal billionaires like Soros who aren't going to have as much money to interfere in elections if they are too busy trying to fight TX state laws they don't like.