Poll

What is your stance on abortion?

Under no circumstances allowed
29.6%
Under rape/incest
25.9%
Under Medical or Genetic issues.
7.4%
Personal choice
33.3%
Forced
3.7%
Total Members Voted
27

Abortion (Read 227194 times)

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #940 on: September 03, 2021, 12:41:18 PM »
So much for Texas becoming the second tech hub.

Because of an abortion law ?
A Social Justice Cause ?

Glasser

Re: Abortion
« Reply #941 on: September 03, 2021, 12:43:49 PM »
Aborted Children write computer code?

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #942 on: September 03, 2021, 12:45:06 PM »
Because of an abortion law ?
A Social Justice Cause ?

Companies like states with good laws.   Good for business.  Too much risk if a bunch of idiot republicans go full retard religion laws.

Thankfully because of their idiocy, and worshipping of religious freedoms.  People like the wonderful members of the satanic temple can also get exemptions for religious freedom to HAVE abortions.  :shaka:

Works both ways  :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc:

Glasser

Re: Abortion
« Reply #943 on: September 03, 2021, 12:55:28 PM »
Since we are just making things up and using blanket platitudes ... why do Liberals care about abortion at all? They are all homosexuals and tranny chasers and the ones that aren't are illegal immigrants and the Dems need them to breed like rabbits. Is it because all the pedophiles are Liberals and they need to fix it fast when they knock up a kid?


Stereotypes are fun.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #944 on: September 03, 2021, 01:48:07 PM »
So if Hawaii as a state wanted to ban all guns I guess you will say states rights?

The Second Amendment to the US Constitution specifically protects the right to keep and bear arms IN ALL STATES.

Remind me ... which amendment in the Bill of Rights/Constitution specifically protects a woman's right to abort her unborn child?

Oh, yeah.  That's right.  If the right is not in the Constitution, the STATES get to decide for themselves:

Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution

Quote
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States,
are reserved to the States respectively,
or to the people.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #945 on: September 03, 2021, 01:55:52 PM »
There is actually Roe v. Wade.

But the Supreme Court could overturn Roe v. Wade itself when it hears a Mississippi case this fall called "Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health."
(That last sentence was plagiarized)

changemyoil66

Re: Abortion
« Reply #946 on: September 03, 2021, 01:56:22 PM »
The Second Amendment to the US Constitution specifically protects the right to keep and bear arms IN ALL STATES.

Remind me ... which amendment in the Bill of Rights/Constitution specifically protects a woman's right to abort her unborn child?

Oh, yeah.  That's right.  If the right is not in the Constitution, the STATES get to decide for themselves:

Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution
And we went full circle again cause somebody doesnt understand the constitution/bill of rights/amendments.

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omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #947 on: September 03, 2021, 02:10:20 PM »
The Second Amendment to the US Constitution specifically protects the right to keep and bear arms IN ALL STATES.

Remind me ... which amendment in the Bill of Rights/Constitution specifically protects a woman's right to abort her unborn child?

Oh, yeah.  That's right.  If the right is not in the Constitution, the STATES get to decide for themselves:

Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution

Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.  #nostatesrightsonthatonebub

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #948 on: September 03, 2021, 02:12:28 PM »
There is actually Roe v. Wade.

But the Supreme Court could overturn Roe v. Wade itself when it hears a Mississippi case this fall called "Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health."
(That last sentence was plagiarized)

R v W is a Supreme Court decision that protects the privacy of abortion doctors to perform abortions.  It did not discover a new right in the Constitution that all states have to abide by. The flimsy "right to privacy argument" doesn't hold water in the context of abortions.  It's not about a woman's right to choose as much as it is a doctor's right to provide the procedure.  The court shoehorned abortion into the Constitution using a concept that isn't applied equally in any other situation.  If they did, then all recreational drug use would be protected.

Go read the massive number of articles written about it.  Roe v. Wade was bad law pushed through the court to do what Liberals said was a good thing.  The same group is now terrified of Roe v. Wade being revisited, because they know in their hearts it won't withstand further scrutiny given the abuse of the current abortion parameters allowing for late-term and post-delivery abortions/murders.

When passed, the ruling said "safe, legal and rare."  Now it's "free, on-demand, and whenever I want - as often as I want."

The "slippery slope" paradigm  has been on full display as a result of that ruling.  It's past time to go back and see how we can fix this.  Until politicians and judges grow a backbone and agree to even try, having it revert back to a state's rights issue makes the most sense.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #949 on: September 03, 2021, 02:15:34 PM »
If Roe v Wade is shot down poor people won't get abortions and rich people will.  It will change nothing to the morality.  If I got a girl preggo and we didn't want it,  just go to a state that allows it and bam that thing is flushed.   It just makes life harder like how people here constantly bitch about HPD or state laws.   But people are ok with making abortion hard but not okay with 2nd amendment related things.

#nothypocritical

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #950 on: September 03, 2021, 02:15:51 PM »
Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.  #nostatesrightsonthatonebub

Show me where "due process" is a synonym for "abortion rights."
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #951 on: September 03, 2021, 02:17:57 PM »
Right wrong or indifferent. It’s still Federal.

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #952 on: September 03, 2021, 02:18:39 PM »
Show me where "due process" is a synonym for "abortion rights."

The supreme court ruling says.  They decide meaning.   If they said the 2nd amendment was only muskets then we would all have to follow that too.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #953 on: September 03, 2021, 02:20:02 PM »
If Roe v Wade is shot down poor people won't get abortions and rich people will.  It will change nothing to the morality.  If I got a girl preggo and we didn't want it,  just go to a state that allows it and bam that thing is flushed.   It just makes life harder like how people here constantly bitch about HPD or state laws.   But people are ok with making abortion hard but not okay with 2nd amendment related things.

#nothypocritical

That's BS.  You are swallowing the crap fed to you by the extreme Left.

Abortions should be difficult.  It's not an easy thing to decide to kill a child before it's born.  Look at how many safeguards and reviews are in place when someone is sentenced to death for a crime.  We make that process hard for the state because taking a life should not be as easy as signing a piece of paper.

If that's an easy decision for you, then you're broken deep down somewhere.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #954 on: September 03, 2021, 02:22:06 PM »
The supreme court ruling says.  They decide meaning.   If they said the 2nd amendment was only muskets then we would all have to follow that too.

Show me where the Supreme Court said that.  I tell you they did not.

They said doctors can perform abortions legally.  That they can not be charged with a crime under the Constitution.  Nothing about the decision said women have a right to choose.

As for muskets -- are you high?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #955 on: September 03, 2021, 02:22:39 PM »
Right wrong or indifferent. It’s still Federal.

Not the issue.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #956 on: September 03, 2021, 02:23:36 PM »
Did you see all the modern day Tik Tokers ?
Might not be that hard a decision for them.
I don’t know I’m not them.
When does the Supreme Court decide when it’s a Right vs. when it’s murder ?
Or you’re saying Roe v. Wade does not give women the Right to choose ?

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #957 on: September 03, 2021, 02:23:42 PM »
That's BS.  You are swallowing the crap fed to you by the extreme Left.

Abortions should be difficult.  It's not an easy thing to decide to kill a child before it's born.  Look at how many safeguards and reviews are in place when someone is sentenced to death for a crime.  We make that process hard for the state because taking a life should not be as easy as signing a piece of paper.

If that's an easy decision for you, then you're broken deep down somewhere.

Why should it be difficult?  Who says?  Regardless its not your decision to make.  If some women wanted to have an giant EZ button to get an abortion I would be all for it.  That's their body and whatever they do with it has 0 effect on me or public safety or anyone else but them.  For the billionth time its not "alive" just like a braindead coma patient.  Pull the plug on either and they won't survive on their own.  That's how I judge life.

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #958 on: September 03, 2021, 02:26:57 PM »
Show me where the Supreme Court said that.  I tell you they did not.

They said doctors can perform abortions legally.  That they can not be charged with a crime under the Constitution.  Nothing about the decision said women have a right to choose.

As for muskets -- are you high?

The point is privacy and the Texas law violates that.  By breaking privacy to find out if they had an abortion to do a civil suit.   Also the point is the supreme court has final say on how to read laws and the constitution.  Whatever they decide is how it goes. 

In the end it doesn't really matter.  The satanic temple has a very good point.  Religious freedoms are protected and abortions can fall under that.  Soon it will be back to normal with a small step of invoking your religious freedom to abort.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #959 on: September 03, 2021, 02:33:52 PM »
The point is privacy and the Texas law violates that. By breaking privacy to find out if they had an abortion to do a civil suit.   Also the point is the supreme court has final say on how to read laws and the constitution.  Whatever they decide is how it goes. 

In the end it doesn't really matter.  The satanic temple has a very good point.  Religious freedoms are protected and abortions can fall under that.  Soon it will be back to normal with a small step of invoking your religious freedom to abort.

Because you said so?  LOL!!

Is it an invasion of privacy when you get busted for using heroin?  What about "my body, my choice?"  How is it possible the the same federal laws and Supreme Court that decided "privacy" in cases of abortion ignored privacy in cases of drug use?  Hmmm.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw