Poll

What is your stance on abortion?

Under no circumstances allowed
29.6%
Under rape/incest
25.9%
Under Medical or Genetic issues.
7.4%
Personal choice
33.3%
Forced
3.7%
Total Members Voted
27

Abortion (Read 227175 times)

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #960 on: September 03, 2021, 02:38:19 PM »
Because you said so?  LOL!!

Is it an invasion of privacy when you get busted for using heroin?  What about "my body, my choice?"  How is it possible the the same federal laws and Supreme Court that decided "privacy" in cases of abortion ignored privacy in cases of drug use?  Hmmm.

There's a reason why you cant get double charged for a criminal not registering a gun.   Honestly the same thing should be for heroin.  I fully support that.  Your body your rights.  If you want to ban drugs prosecute the sale only.  Some dude getting high doesn't effect me either.

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #961 on: September 03, 2021, 02:49:09 PM »
I saw an interesting viewpoint.

If life begins at 6 weeks, then everyone in Texas could sue to collect on life insurance policies after a miscarriage.  Doubt they would win, because the insurance companies would argue that there's no loss of life and the courts would agree with them.

Force the courts to acknowledge, in writing, that the loss of a pregnancy after six weeks does not count as a loss of life.

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #962 on: September 03, 2021, 02:54:36 PM »
This is going to be a hilarious clusterfuck.  More research says that ISP's,  Shipping companies and more could be sued under the Texas law.  You can easily buy abort pills on the internet. 

Hope this law is canned soon for Texas's own good. 

Glasser

Re: Abortion
« Reply #963 on: September 03, 2021, 02:56:45 PM »
Impossible to have a conversation with a person who can't/ won't read the topics being discussed. Dummy literally is just making keyword salads out of terms he has heard loosely associated with the subject. It's like watching someone finger paint with their own poo.

ren

Re: Abortion
« Reply #964 on: September 03, 2021, 03:02:18 PM »
haha "literally"
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #965 on: September 03, 2021, 03:04:47 PM »
I saw an interesting viewpoint.

If life begins at 6 weeks, then everyone in Texas could sue to collect on life insurance policies after a miscarriage.  Doubt they would win, because the insurance companies would argue that there's no loss of life and the courts would agree with them.

Force the courts to acknowledge, in writing, that the loss of a pregnancy after six weeks does not count as a loss of life.

That's not how life insurance works at all.  If you think that's "interesting" or even feasible, you really need to research things you read before glomming onto them.

I bought insurance policies for both my kids when my wife was pregnant.  Benefit was $5,000, enough to take care of burial expenses and maybe some medical costs.  After they were born, I converted them into $25,000 policies which included guaranteed insurability.  We/they could add to the benefit amount without any medical questions or chance of disqualification.  This was in the era of AIDS just being identified and understood.  Knowing people were contracting HIV from blood transfusions and use of blood products, there was a cloud of uncertainty surrounding it.  No cure -- no way to be sure you can prevent it.  Insurance companies don't like to write new policies on sick people with incurable diseases.

The policies are written such that the child must be outside the womb for a given number of days -- I think it was 7, maybe 10.  Regardless, after that point, if the child is unable to live, the policy will pay.

Given the miracles of modern science, a child with no real chance to survive could be kept on a respirator after birth long enough to have the policy time period satisfied.

A miscarriage is not a birth, and unless the fetus can be kept breathing mechanically or not, no insurance company will pay.

Maybe if you knew something about the real world and how it operates, you'd be able to post more intelligent comments.  This one is 100% off base.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Abortion
« Reply #966 on: September 03, 2021, 03:05:32 PM »
Impossible to have a conversation with a person who can't/ won't read the topics being discussed. Dummy literally is just making keyword salads out of terms he has heard loosely associated with the subject. It's like watching someone finger paint with their own poo.

That's why I ignore.  Can't reason with some people.

changemyoil66

Re: Abortion
« Reply #967 on: September 03, 2021, 03:08:45 PM »
That's not how life insurance works at all.  If you think that's "interesting" or even feasible, you really need to research things you read before glomming onto them.

I bought insurance policies for both my kids when my wife was pregnant.  Benefit was $5,000, enough to take care of burial expenses and maybe some medical costs.  After they were born, I converted them into $25,000 policies which included guaranteed insurability.  We/they could add to the benefit about without any medical questions or chance of disqualification.  This was in the era of AID just being identified and understood.  Knowing people were contracting HIV from blood transfusions and use of blood products, there was a cloud of uncertainty surrounding it.  No cure -- no way to be sure you can prevent it.  Insurance companies don't like to write new policies on sick people with incurable diseases.

The policies are written such that the child must be outside the womb for a given number of days -- I think it was 7, maybe 10.  Regardless, after than point, if the child is unable to live, the policy will pay.

Given the miracles of modern science, a child with no real chance to survive could be kept on a respirator after birth long enough to have the policy time period satisfied.

A miscarriage is not a birth, and unless the fetus can be kept breathing mechanically or not, no insurance company will pay.

Maybe if you knew something about the real world and how it operates, you'd be able to post more intelligent comments.  This one is 100% off base.

Again, typical non real world experience and offering his advice he knows nothing about.  .  But hey, like usual, what works in his mind is all that matters.

Expert in Econ, global warming, war, international policy, abortion, insurance.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #968 on: September 03, 2021, 03:10:58 PM »
Again, typical non real world experience and offering his advice he knows nothing about.  .  But hey, like usual, what works in his mind is all that matters.

Expert in Econ, global warming, war, international policy, abortion, insurance.

Don't leave out his favorite:  religion!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #969 on: September 03, 2021, 03:16:49 PM »
I said the life insurance thing was interesting.  Guess its not possible thanks.

Guess no comment on how potentially a vast number of people and business could be sued under the texas law.  You can sue your mailman.

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #970 on: September 03, 2021, 03:18:05 PM »
Don't leave out his favorite:  religion!

I'm pretty decent at religion. Its mostly stupid.  :shaka:  Except the satanic temple.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #971 on: September 03, 2021, 03:20:21 PM »
I said the life insurance thing was interesting.  Guess its not possible thanks.

Guess no comment on how potentially a vast number of people and business could be sued under the texas law.  You can sue your mailman.

Can we sue you for harassment?

Class Action would be fine.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Abortion
« Reply #972 on: September 03, 2021, 03:21:15 PM »
I'm pretty decent at religion. Its mostly stupid.  :shaka:  Except the satanic temple.

Religion is "mostly stupid", which makes you abundantly qualified to lecture on it.

I get it.

 :geekdanc: :geekdanc: :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: Abortion
« Reply #973 on: September 03, 2021, 03:30:21 PM »
I saw an interesting viewpoint.

If life begins at 6 weeks, then everyone in Texas could sue to collect on life insurance policies after a miscarriage.  Doubt they would win, because the insurance companies would argue that there's no loss of life and the courts would agree with them.

Force the courts to acknowledge, in writing, that the loss of a pregnancy after six weeks does not count as a loss of life.

Interesting point for those who haven’t pondered it.
When does the Supreme Court define loss of life ?
When is it murder to have an abortion ?
Example given is contract law though.

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #974 on: September 03, 2021, 03:54:36 PM »
Can we sue you for harassment?

Class Action would be fine.

You could try.   Frivolous lawsuit though be warned. 

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #975 on: September 03, 2021, 03:56:59 PM »
Interesting point for those who haven’t pondered it.
When does the Supreme Court define loss of life ?
When is it murder to have an abortion ?
Example given is contract law though.

The courts have dabbled in this when charging someone double homicide for killing a pregnant person. Now that I think about it you are correct it would be not that great of a precedent and really hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. 

Brystont1

Re: Abortion
« Reply #976 on: September 03, 2021, 03:57:34 PM »
 
Impossible to have a conversation with a person who can't/ won't read the topics being discussed. Dummy literally is just making keyword salads out of terms he has heard loosely associated with the subject. It's like watching someone finger paint with their own poo.

He’s clearly losing it over this lol. I’ll back off for now for his sake. But I’ll be back in a few days to explain how a brain dead coma patient who has no chance of recovering is different from a 6 week fetus who will at some point (in his mind) become what he calls sentient. A brain dead coma patient who would recover in let’s say 40 weeks would not have the plug pulled on him no matter how “brain dead.” This has already been explained to him and he half admitted he was wrong ( you all know how that goes) but he must’ve forgot.

See yah in a few days lol.

omnigun

Re: Abortion
« Reply #977 on: September 03, 2021, 04:07:59 PM »

He’s clearly losing it over this lol. I’ll back off for now for his sake. But I’ll be back in a few days to explain how a brain dead coma patient who has no chance of recovering is different from a 6 week fetus who will at some point (in his mind) become what he calls sentient. A brain dead coma patient who would recover in let’s say 40 weeks would not have the plug pulled on him no matter how “brain dead.” This has already been explained to him and he half admitted he was wrong ( you all know how that goes) but he must’ve forgot.

See yah in a few days lol.


It's not about the future it's about the present.  There's no guarantee of what will happen.  If that was the case everyone wouldn't be alive because we will all die eventually.  Life is mainly judged on if it can survive.  If you pulled a baby out of the womb it would die.   It's not alive.   If you unplug the vegetable it would also die.  So not alive either. 

Human life also requires sentience which a fetus and brain dead person lacks.

drck1000

Re: Abortion
« Reply #978 on: September 03, 2021, 04:16:05 PM »
Holy full rahtard

ren

Re: Abortion
« Reply #979 on: September 03, 2021, 04:28:49 PM »
someone just went full retard
this is what happens when someone visits the "satanic temple"
just sick definitely not a family person
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