BBC?

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if it's proven in a court of law, it's always true
or consensus...

#sarcasmishard

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/why-satanists-may-last-hope-222948030.html

Satanists (religion) and abortion collide.

“The state of Texas, with approval from the U.S. Supreme Court, instituted the most draconian set of anti-abortion laws in the last 50 years this Tuesday. While pro-choice advocates scramble to save what’s left of Roe v. Wade, their salvation may come from an unexpected place: The Satanic Temple.

The nontheistic religious group, based out of Salem, Massachusetts, has filed a letter with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration arguing that their members should be allowed to access abortion pills without regulatory action. The temple is attempting to use its status as a religious organization to claim its right to abortion as a faith-based right.

The group argues that they should have access to the abortion pills Misoprostol and Mifepristone for religious use through the The Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) which was created to allow Native Americans access to peyote for religious rituals. Under these rules, the Temple is arguing that they should be granted those same rights to use abortifacients for their own religious purposes.

“I am sure Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton—who famously spends a good deal of his time composing press releases about Religious Liberty issues in other states—will be proud to see that Texas’s robust Religious Liberty laws, which he so vociferously champions, will prevent future Abortion Rituals from being interrupted by superfluous government restrictions meant only to shame and harass those seeking an abortion," wrote Satanic Temple spokesperson, Lucien Greaves in a statement.
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 In the Illinois Capitol rotunda, they were able to install a statue of an arm holding an apple with a snake coiled around it next to a Christmas nativity scene and a Hanukkah menorah.“

I could have sworn there were people on this forum claiming that no laws or government decisions should be based on religion -- any religion.

I guess that doesn't include Satanists as long as the means justifies the ends.

So much for principle.

I didn’t even comment. Other than Religion and Abortion collide.
Just reported.
Just ironic the two threads run into each other.

The Satanic Temple Rallies Against Texas Abortion Law

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/05/satanic-temple-rallies-against-texas-abortion-law/

Pro-choicers can now count The Satanic Temple among their list of allies in the fight against the recent anti-abortion law in Texas.

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Interesting question.
Is the abortion stance a human rights issue or religious issue ?
Or human rights based religion or non-religion ?
And which human ? Woman or embryo/fetus/child?

Whats really ironic is the Pro-Abortion people throw a huge fit when someone like Barbara Harris comes along and starts a group like Project Prevention.
She was paying drug addicted women $300 to get a tubal ligation or a lifetime of Norplant to keep them from sh*tting out kids they couldnt care for.
They called her a racist and a eugenicist. But all she was doing was trying to stop abortions the cheap / easy way.  Birth Control

Whats really ironic is the Pro-Abortion people throw a huge fit when someone like Barbara Harris comes along and starts a group like Project Prevention.
She was paying drug addicted women $300 to get a tubal ligation or a lifetime of Norplant to keep them from sh*tting out kids they couldnt care for.
They called her a racist and a eugenicist. But all she was doing was trying to stop abortions the cheap / easy way.  Birth Control

That sounds like a good idea too.  If they willing participants don't see anything wrong.   

Interesting question.
Is the abortion stance a human rights issue or religious issue ?
Or human rights based religion or non-religion ?
And which human ? Woman or embryo/fetus/child?

It's mostly the religious who biach the most.   They desperately want to enforce their religious beliefs on others.   Everyone live by their shitty rules.   I bet if Christians were against pork they would try to ban that too. Look at the middle east.

The Satanic Temple Rallies Against Texas Abortion Law

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/05/satanic-temple-rallies-against-texas-abortion-law/

Pro-choicers can now count The Satanic Temple among their list of allies in the fight against the recent anti-abortion law in Texas.

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I want to support them but they sold out of their cards. Wonder if they take PayPal.

I could have sworn there were people on this forum claiming that no laws or government decisions should be based on religion -- any religion.

I guess that doesn't include Satanists as long as the means justifies the ends.

So much for principle.

The "satanists" if you bothered reading their site says religion should play no part in government.   They are not saying you should get abortions but you should be able to make your own decisions.  They are basically close to atheists.  But they had to make a religion to battle the shitty religious focused culture in America. 

I want to support them but they sold out of their cards. Wonder if they take PayPal.

Self deprecating humor. Step in the right direction I guess.

It's mostly the religious who biach the most.   They desperately want to enforce their religious beliefs on others.   Everyone live by their shitty rules.   I bet if Christians were against pork they would try to ban that too. Look at the middle east.

Ponder sometimes. You answer like you have the answer. Which you don’t. No offense.
My wife and I are not religious but we have very different views on abortion.
For a lot of people it may be based in religion, or lack or religion.
The fact it’s legal or illegal and up for popular vote is a trip.

Self deprecating humor. Step in the right direction I guess.

Ponder sometimes. You answer like you have the answer. Which you don’t. No offense.
My wife and I are not religious but we have very different views on abortion.
For a lot of people it may be based in religion, or lack or religion.
The fact it’s legal or illegal and up for popular vote is a trip.

I’m not religious at all. Although Omni likes to strawman a lot by bringing religion religion religion even though no one here, as far as I’ve seen, has used religion to justify any sort of policy.

I look at it from a human rights perspective. If you believe a fetus is a human then that fetus deserves the same protection as my 1 day old newborn.

People like Omni do not fundamentally understand the pro life stance which is why this thread is 50 pages too long.

That's my opinion, too.

You don't need religion to know what's right and wrong.  Most people learn early in life regardless of culture or teaching that life is important, and that the taking of life is wrong without justification.

Most laws are based on standards of behavior that society agrees are beneficial.

Human/civil rights are universally defined whether they are protected or not.  Right to life is probably the most basic and fundamental right of all humans.  Taking a life takes away from that person everything they have, everything they will ever have, and everything they are or will ever be.

The issue is whether the mother can unilaterally choose for the baby whether or not it is allowed to develop to full term and have a life -- and rights -- of its own.

When people call developing fetuses "parasites", it's an attempt to dehumanize the developing child to make abortion sound less like killing a future person.

I’m not religious at all. Although Omni likes to strawman a lot by bringing religion religion religion even though no one here, as far as I’ve seen, has used religion to justify any sort of policy.

I look at it from a human rights perspective. If you believe a fetus is a human then that fetus deserves the same protection as my 1 day old newborn.

People like Omni do not fundamentally understand the pro life stance which is why this thread is 50 pages too long.

Many who legislate the laws restricting abortion often cite God or religion.  Sorry I don't understand.  I just can't see how a bunch of cells is alive.   I lose akin cells and hair and don't bat an eye.   I've  flushed many millions of sperm cells out.   I don't ponder what they could of been.   

That's my opinion, too.

You don't need religion to know what's right and wrong.  Most people learn early in life regardless of culture or teaching that life is important, and that the taking of life is wrong without justification.

Most laws are based on standards of behavior that society agrees are beneficial.

Human/civil rights are universally defined whether they are protected or not.  Right to life is probably the most basic and fundamental right of all humans.  Taking a life takes away from that person everything they have, everything they will ever have, and everything they are or will ever be.

The issue is whether the mother can unilaterally choose for the baby whether or not it is allowed to develop to full term and have a life -- and rights -- of its own.

When people call developing fetuses "parasites", it's an attempt to dehumanize the developing child to make abortion sound less like killing a future person.

It is a parasite theoretically/technically.   The problem with that approach is you are valuing the maybe life more than the full human.   Forcing said full 100% sentient human to do something against their will.   For 9 months and be in pain during birth.  What happened to female rights.   Hell what happened to male rights be has no say in it either.   

Many who legislate the laws restricting abortion often cite God or religion.  Sorry I don't understand.  I just can't see how a bunch of cells is alive.   I lose akin cells and hair and don't bat an eye.   I've  flushed many millions of sperm cells out.   I don't ponder what they could of been.

And here we go again.

You've posted the same comments over and over.  Why is another iteration going to matter to anyone other than you feeding your ego?

You said, "It's mostly the religious who biach the most."

Then you just said, "Many who legislate the laws restricting abortion often cite God or religion."

So, you went from "biaching" to "legislate the laws" (as if legislating the laws is a "thing" -- legislating is the passing of laws, so to add "laws" is redundant.).

Moving of goal posts, or just unable to focus on what your narrative should include?  Are you only focused on the people passing laws, or are you "biaching" about everyone who opposes your beliefs?

It is a parasite theoretically/technically.   The problem with that approach is you are valuing the maybe life more than the full human.   Forcing said full 100% sentient human to do something against their will.   For 9 months and be in pain during birth.  What happened to female rights.   Hell what happened to male rights be has no say in it either.

I'm not debating you.  You have nothing to say that you haven't stumbled over multiple times already.

Why you feel the need to regurgitate your beliefs ad nauseam seems pathological.

It's mostly the religious who biach the most.   They desperately want to enforce their religious beliefs on others.   Everyone live by their shitty rules.   I bet if Christians were against pork they would try to ban that too. Look at the middle east.

yet you constantly post your views on abortion, church, freedom, politics, consensus, court of law
over and over and over and over and over