looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion (Read 30389 times)

drck1000

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #60 on: October 20, 2020, 09:10:12 AM »
So anti gunners reported hundreds and 10 years worth of reloading videos by IV8888 and may other people also reported the same?  How does a reloading video violate policy, but shooting objects like how Kentucky Destruction does not violate policy?  Or any of IV8888's other videos like firearm testing, body armor testing, top 5 stuff, etc... Maybe he's reloading in a G-string like some other on this forum do.
:-[

Where's the green face and barf emojis. . . You should be suspended just for thinking that!!!

I an KNOW you weren't referring to hot women reloading in G-string.

 :rofl:

But seriously, all in the name of "safety".  Talk about community policing, which OG mentioned he is wary of "thought police".  Lots of dangerous content out there, from terrorism stuff and others.  Oh, yeah, maybe a white soccer mom video of "we'll burn down your neighborhood" isn't deemed a threat because it's not "credible".  But how is information about firearms (not selling or other banned activities) worse?  Well, uh, bias. 

omnigun

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #61 on: October 20, 2020, 09:11:44 AM »
Could be.  But you mentioned that there was no proof of accounts being blocked and/or restricted.  I am not a conspiracy theorist.  I am just pointing out the facts that many accounts have been suspended and/or blocked.  Look at the "policy" being implemented and the bias at implementation.  Lots of instances of that.  As someone who does associate with folks with alternate views, even they are surprised that some of the BLM, defund police, etc content doesn't get restricted due to "safety concerns".  And believe me, for many of them, if they or their "cause" was slighted, they'd make it known. 

The point is the biased implementation of "rules".  As a "stauch 2a advocate", seems like you're ignoring points just to win an argument.

I was angling for proof of only pro 2a accounts getting locked.  But i see it happening from both sides so it cant be only 2a.  I just want to make sure we don't develop false victim view points.  It only hurts our cause.  If people view us as paranoid conspiracy full group we lose credibility.  They have shown to congress and investigations that there is no inherent bias.  If we keep harping on this "false" fact we lose credibility.   I do agree with you that BLM needs to be looked at more closely and fact checked.  I am not necessary trying to win the argument but trying to be balanced.  My life is full of these conflictions. I cant embrace capitalism and freedom but force 2a values on others.  Even though I believe everyone should be 2a. While also trying to campaign for credibility for 2a rights, in a world of dumbshit like Qanon and far right conspiracy theories.   Just like I can't force people to be pro choice.  Also keeping in mind all the nuances like the moderation teams of facebook are influenced by individual works who lean on either side.

drck1000

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #62 on: October 20, 2020, 09:14:38 AM »
I was angling for proof of only pro 2a accounts getting locked.  But i see it happening from both sides so it cant be only 2a.  I just want to make sure we don't develop false victim view points.  It only hurts our cause.  If people view us as paranoid conspiracy full group we lose credibility.  They have shown to congress and investigations that there is no inherent bias.  If we keep harping on this "false" fact we lose credibility.   I do agree with you that BLM needs to be looked at more closely and fact checked.  I am not necessary trying to win the argument but trying to be balanced.  My life is full of these conflictions. I cant embrace capitalism and freedom but force 2a values on others.  Even though I believe everyone should be 2a. While also trying to campaign for credibility for 2a rights, in a world of dumbshit like Qanon and far right conspiracy theories.   Just like I can't force people to be pro choice.  Also keeping in mind all the nuances like the moderation teams of facebook are influenced by individual works who lean on either side.
Conspiracies?  I'm probably the furthest from. You must be thinking of CMO, our resident tinfoil expert extraordinaire.  :rofl: 

omnigun

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2020, 09:16:13 AM »
:-[

Where's the green face and barf emojis. . . You should be suspended just for thinking that!!!

I an KNOW you weren't referring to hot women reloading in G-string.

 :rofl:

But seriously, all in the name of "safety".  Talk about community policing, which OG mentioned he is wary of "thought police".  Lots of dangerous content out there, from terrorism stuff and others.  Oh, yeah, maybe a white soccer mom video of "we'll burn down your neighborhood" isn't deemed a threat because it's not "credible".  But how is information about firearms (not selling or other banned activities) worse?  Well, uh, bias.

Don't underestimate trolls and fans of certain individuals.  We live in the world people "Swat" youtubers and streamers.  People streamsnipe gamers.   There's fake news, troll armies and foreign influence.  But I do agree there does appear to be more of fear of pro gun information.  Not sure how much is influenced by AD money which demonetize firearm videos.

omnigun

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2020, 09:17:37 AM »
Do you really trust "investigations"?  Wait, NM, I know your answer.

If you don't trust that can you trust anything?  Dutiful investigations are the main pillar holding up society and justice.  IF we don't believe in justice we are a bunch of anarchists.

omnigun

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #65 on: October 20, 2020, 09:20:02 AM »
Conspiracies?  I'm probably the furthest from. You must be thinking of CMO, our resident tinfoil expert extraordinaire.  :rofl:

Haha yeah not particularly pointing at you.   Just in general about this topic we must be careful.  Just like you and inspector said, appearances are important.  If we want to be viewed seriously.  Conspiracy theories and false accusations are not the right way forward.

changemyoil66

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2020, 09:21:28 AM »
If you don't trust that can you trust anything?  Dutiful investigations are the main pillar holding up society and justice.  IF we don't believe in justice we are a bunch of anarchists.

Instead of blindly trusting investigations, people need to question them from time to time.  Especially if they do not make sense or are backed by big $.

Look at the millions spent in the Russia investigation.  Guess all the DNC senators who voted to impeach don't trust their own driven investigation either.  If they did, then they would not have voted to impeach right?

omnigun

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2020, 09:25:02 AM »
Instead of blindly trusting investigations, people need to question them from time to time.  Especially if they do not make sense or are backed by big $.

Look at the millions spent in the Russia investigation.  Guess all the DNC senators who voted to impeach don't trust their own driven investigation either.  If they did, then they would not have voted to impeach right?

True, but there's lot of other investigations that have come to the same conclusion of non conservative bias against FB etc.  Also this was done many times.   If it was incorrect it would be obvious already.   Yeah the democrats jumped the gun on that.  They should of waited for the investigation to be completed before all the impeachment stuff.

changemyoil66

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2020, 09:25:23 AM »
I was angling for proof of only pro 2a accounts getting locked.  But i see it happening from both sides so it cant be only 2a.  I just want to make sure we don't develop false victim view points.  It only hurts our cause.  If people view us as paranoid conspiracy full group we lose credibility.  They have shown to congress and investigations that there is no inherent bias.  If we keep harping on this "false" fact we lose credibility.   I do agree with you that BLM needs to be looked at more closely and fact checked.  I am not necessary trying to win the argument but trying to be balanced.  My life is full of these conflictions. I cant embrace capitalism and freedom but force 2a values on others.  Even though I believe everyone should be 2a. While also trying to campaign for credibility for 2a rights, in a world of dumbshit like Qanon and far right conspiracy theories.   Just like I can't force people to be pro choice.  Also keeping in mind all the nuances like the moderation teams of facebook are influenced by individual works who lean on either side.

To anti 2a people, credibility doesn't matter.  Look at all the stats they ignore and still want to ban guns.  Same with BLM, almost none of them talk about black on black crime.  Ignore stats once again.



drck1000

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2020, 09:25:57 AM »
Haha yeah not particularly pointing at you.   Just in general about this topic we must be careful.  Just like you and inspector said, appearances are important.  If we want to be viewed seriously.  Conspiracy theories and false accusations are not the right way forward.
Hey CMO.  What does your intel from 4Chan, 8Chan, gaychan, etc say?   ???

 :rofl:

changemyoil66

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2020, 09:37:44 AM »
True, but there's lot of other investigations that have come to the same conclusion of non conservative bias against FB etc.  Also this was done many times.   If it was incorrect it would be obvious already.   Yeah the democrats jumped the gun on that.  They should of waited for the investigation to be completed before all the impeachment stuff.

You need to follow more pro 2a people on IG.  Many post video's of them being shadow banned, but according to you it doesn't exist, even though Project Veritas has on recording that it's being done by google worker.

Here is a list whom I've seen post about it over the years: IV8888, BJBaldwin, Mrgunsandgear, Gary4Trump, just to name a few off the top of my head right now.  It is obvious to many, but not to others.

But to be fair, FB did recently delete some antifa pages.  But only within the past few months.  They also deleted the Proud Boys Hawaii chapter FB page way before them deleting antifa pages.

Guess it's not FB or any companies fault, just blame the "algorithm" .  Try YT "Sandy Park father laughing", when this vid first came out, there were hundreds of people posting it on YT.  Last I searched, it didn't even pop up with 1 on the first 3 pages.  I had to also use duckduckgo to find it instead of google.  Also YT "CA teacher assaulting Trump supporter".  again had lots of vids of the attack. It's the one where the woman is hitting a man holding a Trump sign about 4 feet in front the police and the cops do nothing.  He then begs them "why are you not doing anything".  Last time I had to look for it, same as the Sandy Hook vid.

changemyoil66

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #71 on: October 20, 2020, 09:38:23 AM »
Hey CMO.  What does your intel from 4Chan, 8Chan, gaychan, etc say?   ???

 :rofl:

It all depends. They know when you're not wearing the tinfoil hat while looking at the monitor.

drck1000

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #72 on: October 20, 2020, 09:57:42 AM »
You need to follow more pro 2a people on IG.  Many post video's of them being shadow banned, but according to you it doesn't exist, even though Project Veritas has on recording that it's being done by google worker.

Here is a list whom I've seen post about it over the years: IV8888, BJBaldwin, Mrgunsandgear, Gary4Trump, just to name a few off the top of my head right now.  It is obvious to many, but not to others.

But to be fair, FB did recently delete some antifa pages.  But only within the past few months.  They also deleted the Proud Boys Hawaii chapter FB page way before them deleting antifa pages.

Guess it's not FB or any companies fault, just blame the "algorithm" .  Try YT "Sandy Park father laughing", when this vid first came out, there were hundreds of people posting it on YT.  Last I searched, it didn't even pop up with 1 on the first 3 pages.  I had to also use duckduckgo to find it instead of google.  Also YT "CA teacher assaulting Trump supporter".  again had lots of vids of the attack. It's the one where the woman is hitting a man holding a Trump sign about 4 feet in front the police and the cops do nothing.  He then begs them "why are you not doing anything".  Last time I had to look for it, same as the Sandy Hook vid.
Garandthumb, ColionNoir, many others getting content restricted or outright removed. 

omnigun

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #73 on: October 20, 2020, 10:02:27 AM »
You need to follow more pro 2a people on IG.  Many post video's of them being shadow banned, but according to you it doesn't exist, even though Project Veritas has on recording that it's being done by google worker.

Here is a list whom I've seen post about it over the years: IV8888, BJBaldwin, Mrgunsandgear, Gary4Trump, just to name a few off the top of my head right now.  It is obvious to many, but not to others.

But to be fair, FB did recently delete some antifa pages.  But only within the past few months.  They also deleted the Proud Boys Hawaii chapter FB page way before them deleting antifa pages.

Guess it's not FB or any companies fault, just blame the "algorithm" .  Try YT "Sandy Park father laughing", when this vid first came out, there were hundreds of people posting it on YT.  Last I searched, it didn't even pop up with 1 on the first 3 pages.  I had to also use duckduckgo to find it instead of google.  Also YT "CA teacher assaulting Trump supporter".  again had lots of vids of the attack. It's the one where the woman is hitting a man holding a Trump sign about 4 feet in front the police and the cops do nothing.  He then begs them "why are you not doing anything".  Last time I had to look for it, same as the Sandy Hook vid.

TBH I don't use social media I follow almost no one lol.  I do agree there appears to be bias but algorithms shouldn't have,  perhaps there are more non gun enthusiasts out there then searches would default to the majority,  not 100% sure as I didn't program it.  I just mostly side with caution before all facts are out and done.

changemyoil66

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #74 on: October 20, 2020, 10:20:24 AM »
TBH I don't use social media I follow almost no one lol.  I do agree there appears to be bias but algorithms shouldn't have,  perhaps there are more non gun enthusiasts out there then searches would default to the majority,  not 100% sure as I didn't program it.  I just mostly side with caution before all facts are out and done.

The facts are out and done.

omnigun

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #75 on: October 20, 2020, 10:26:37 AM »
The facts are out and done.

Do you have any credible sources or info, researched?  I tried googling but was inconclusive. 

changemyoil66

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #76 on: October 20, 2020, 01:13:51 PM »
Do you have any credible sources or info, researched?  I tried googling but was inconclusive.

Stories from real life people with screenshots/videos on their IG posting about it.  Not just 1 or 2, but many.

omnigun

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #77 on: October 20, 2020, 03:20:59 PM »
Stories from real life people with screenshots/videos on their IG posting about it.  Not just 1 or 2, but many.

I find it a bit suspicious,  if there was truly this happening it would be major news and they could lose the ability to call themselves neutral and free online forum. 

drck1000

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #78 on: October 20, 2020, 03:27:14 PM »
I find it a bit suspicious,  if there was truly this happening it would be major news and they could lose the ability to call themselves neutral and free online forum.
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You mentioned above that you "weren't aware of it happening".  Do some searching, as a 2a supporter would, in support of 2a advocates. 

changemyoil66

Re: looks like jo jorgenson doesn't know much about the constitiuion
« Reply #79 on: October 20, 2020, 03:59:44 PM »
I find it a bit suspicious,  if there was truly this happening it would be major news and they could lose the ability to call themselves neutral and free online forum.
Thats because u dont know how the fake news works.

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