The difference between Trump and Biden rallies (Read 9741 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: The difference between Trump and Biden rallies
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2020, 10:25:25 PM »
That's not a link.  Do you need help with Google again?

"He later changed his advice and said we should wear masks and social distance. "

Untrue.  What he and the CDC said was we need to social distance whenever and wherever possible.  Mask should be worn when social distancing is not feasible.

You stated it as if it's both all the time.  It was "A is best, but if not A, then B."  This is why people got so confused.  The media took words in press conferences and interpreted them based on how they expected them to be worded. 

Trump is a grown man.  If he didn't wear a mask, it's because the mask was not for HIS protection, but for the protection of others in case HE was infectious.  He was taking COVID-19 tests every week. Masks don't protect the wearer as much as the people around him.  We had that pounded into our heads for months.  In fact, wearing a mask can cause worse infections if people are not washing them properly, touch them all the time to adjust, don't have a good fit and are less careful about social distancing because they are "protected" by that piece of cloth on their faces.

Watch the Steven Crowder video.  It says everything I did and more, and in a way you might be able to comprehend. 

Given the virus was a new thing, and nobody knew anything about it for a long time, no advice could have been judged as sound at that point in time.  Only hindsight gives us the ability to know what to do if a similar pandemic is started, but no guarantees the advice you think would have worked now will work then.

Trump took the advice at the time it was given.  Taking advice does not always mean following it.  Look at how many Democrats raking Trump over the coals for simply not wearing a mask 24/7 went to get a haircut in the lockdown, told crowds it's okay to go to Chinatown, wore masks that kept falling down as the give a presser and keep having to touch it to fix it, or even walking around with their nose completely exposed above the mask.

The whole "I blame Trump for COVID-19 deaths" thing is ridiculously stupid.  The people saying that would have had the same decisions to make based on many more considerations than just one medical advisor's input.  I doubt any of them would have made any difference in the infection count or death rate.  In fact, since Trump was blasted for shutting down travel from China which we know saved countless lives, the others would have killed thousands more by delaying that order.

You are nitpicking. So Fauci said A or B instead of A and B, you really got me there. Too bad that still proves my point. Trump still didn't follow that advice either, he didn't wear a mask when he was in close proximity to others.

I don't blame Trump for the bad numbers when it comes to masks. Adults can make their own decisions, I they die because they didn't take precautions then it is their own fault for being dumb enough to follow Trump's lead. That's why I don't blame Trump for herman Cain's death. It would have been nice if Trump could act like a world leader and put a mask on when he was near people but being a leader isn't really his strong point.

And think, if Trump had just worn a mask and handled covid a little better maybe he could have actually won the election. Trump is a grown man and only has himself to blame.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The difference between Trump and Biden rallies
« Reply #41 on: November 17, 2020, 12:37:48 AM »
You are nitpicking. So Fauci said A or B instead of A and B, you really got me there. Too bad that still proves my point. Trump still didn't follow that advice either, he didn't wear a mask when he was in close proximity to others.

I don't blame Trump for the bad numbers when it comes to masks. Adults can make their own decisions, I they die because they didn't take precautions then it is their own fault for being dumb enough to follow Trump's lead. That's why I don't blame Trump for herman Cain's death. It would have been nice if Trump could act like a world leader and put a mask on when he was near people but being a leader isn't really his strong point.

And think, if Trump had just worn a mask and handled covid a little better maybe he could have actually won the election. Trump is a grown man and only has himself to blame.

What you and the rest of the anti-Trumpers don't seem to understand is it did not matter what Trump did -- mask or maskless.

Over 85% of people are wearing masks even in places where they are not mandated.  The projections that wearing masks can save 130,000 lives were based on a mask-usage rate of 40%.  So, Trump's personal mask opinions and habits don't dictate to people what they feel comfortable doing. 

"Trump ain't wearing no mask, so dang it, I ain't neither!" said no Trump supporter EVER!

Why pass a mandate for something that only a small minority aren't already doing anyway?  Seems like a little more education and OPENING UP THE ECONOMY would help, because everyone will have to abide by businesses' policies and wear masks.  If we're locked down at home, nobody is wearing masks except "essential workers" at "essential businesses and services".

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: The difference between Trump and Biden rallies
« Reply #42 on: November 17, 2020, 09:11:52 PM »
What you and the rest of the anti-Trumpers don't seem to understand is it did not matter what Trump did -- mask or maskless.

It absolutely did matter, Trump couldn't even follow the simplest of advice from his own medical expert. It is pathetic how he can't follow such a simple rule and lead the country by example. The Trump Sheep Syndrome people will bend over backwards to find a way to excuse his behavior.


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"Trump ain't wearing no mask, so dang it, I ain't neither!" said no Trump supporter EVER!

They didn't have to say it, their actions spoke louder than words.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The difference between Trump and Biden rallies
« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2020, 09:23:07 PM »
It absolutely did matter, Trump couldn't even follow the simplest of advice from his own medical expert. It is pathetic how he can't follow such a simple rule and lead the country by example. The Trump Sheep Syndrome people will bend over backwards to find a way to excuse his behavior.


They didn't have to say it, their actions spoke louder than words.

The advice kept flip-flopping.  if it was that important, his advisors would have been going around saying to buy masks in the beginning of the pandemic.  They said the opposite.

Stop pretending that the advice was always perfect and never changing.  Neither was true.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: The difference between Trump and Biden rallies
« Reply #44 on: November 19, 2020, 08:08:21 PM »
The advice kept flip-flopping.  if it was that important, his advisors would have been going around saying to buy masks in the beginning of the pandemic.  They said the opposite.

Stop pretending that the advice was always perfect and never changing.  Neither was true.

It didn't flip flop, it changed once and once it changed Trump didn't follow the advice. You are dishonest here, acting as if every week Facui gave different advice and Trump was just too dumb to follow the guidance. Once Fauci said wear masks Trump still didn't wear a mask, stop trying to dance around that fact. You can't even criticize Trump when he screws up, that's telling.

And you so conveniently keep ignoring the reason the initial advice was not to go buy masks.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The difference between Trump and Biden rallies
« Reply #45 on: November 19, 2020, 08:54:34 PM »
It didn't flip flop, it changed once and once it changed Trump didn't follow the advice. You are dishonest here, acting as if every week Facui gave different advice and Trump was just too dumb to follow the guidance. Once Fauci said wear masks Trump still didn't wear a mask, stop trying to dance around that fact. You can't even criticize Trump when he screws up, that's telling.

And you so conveniently keep ignoring the reason the initial advice was not to go buy masks.

I repeat:  watch the video.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The difference between Trump and Biden rallies
« Reply #46 on: November 19, 2020, 09:01:06 PM »
CDC Study: 85% of Coronavirus Patients Reported Wearing Masks ‘Always’ or ‘Often’

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/14/cdc-study-85-of-coronavirus-patients-reported-wearing-masks-always-or-often/

So, if 85% of people testing positive for the virus are wearing masks either all the time or "often", then it's obvious what Trump does or does not do has ZERO IMPACT on infection rates.

15% of those infected didn't wear a mask.  85% did.  So, what does that tell you? 

Maybe that wearing a mask has no significant effect on the rate of infection?  Maybe??   :crazy:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw