Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread (Read 108355 times)

omnigun

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #160 on: November 05, 2020, 04:53:03 PM »
You might want to delete that post Omni.
One, I don’t think you thought that through.
Two, You’re gonna get lit up on that one.

I'm trying to bring some balance to this conversation.   All these hypothetical ways of fraud but zero evidence it is taking place.   I'm all for being careful. But saying something is happening when it isn't is fake news.

Edited to hopefully cause less confusion.

TLDR no evidence of fraud that i can find that had been taken to court and the Trump campaign had been searching for any evidence  to take to court and they haven't brought anything up.

We really need to focus on the senate.  That's the key to keeping socialism out.
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ren

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #161 on: November 05, 2020, 04:55:35 PM »
We deserve the govt we elect and it looks pretty shitty with a Biden / Harris admin. They said it. They will take away your guns and will raise your taxes to pay for free college, healthcare and probably a whole list of other things. So much for the middle class. We will be working for those that don't want to earn anything and the political elite will manage this redistribution of wealth AND labor while taking a percentage cut for themselves in the form of larger govt and slight of hand kickbacks to "non profit" orgs.

I met a person who voted Trump in 2016 but voted Biden this year. Why ? He doesn't like Trump's candor. I asked him about Biden and he said he believes Biden has Alzheimers and will probably not last 2 years into office. He doesn't care about all the other shortcomings of Biden, his corruption, the lies, it's all because Trump is bad despite all the things he did in less than 4 years compared to career politicians.
The best analogy is the one person who found a cure for all types of cancer in a year and wiped out the existing cancer research industry.

I agree that Trump doesn't have the mannerisms or the "politeness" of what a POTUS should have but I don't see a bright future with a Biden / Harris administration.
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aieahound

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #162 on: November 05, 2020, 05:03:18 PM »
The only way they can fraud is if they steal ballots.  They don't know who is registered and voted to do fake ballots.   I doubt they can perfectly reproduce the paper or envelopes.  Not in secret atleast on the scale they need to. 

It's a very low risk.  For a low reward not worth going to jail.  They would have to have a major operation to scale.  One guy frauding a few ballots does not change a election. I can be wrong but calling it easy fraud and that is happening is fake news.  There is no evidence of any fraud is happening. Just because it theoretically can happen.  Doesn't mean it is. 
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I’m talking the only way they can Fraud part........

The fraud report is conspiracy theory at this point. But may not be fake news. The fake news could be that there is no evidence of it.
Stop listening to talking heads and do your own homework.
Or at least dig up some of the conspiracy theories and fact check on your own by independent means if possible.

In the end it is what it is. Winner is the winner. Right, wrong or indifferent.
Did the Government kill Kennedy, or did the Mafia or The Federal Reserve Higher ups contract it? I don’t know but he’s still dead.

omnigun

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #163 on: November 05, 2020, 05:17:54 PM »
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I’m talking the only way they can Fraud part........

The fraud report is conspiracy theory at this point. But may not be fake news. The fake news could be that there is no evidence of it.
Stop listening to talking heads and do your own homework.
Or at least dig up some of the conspiracy theories and fact check on your own by independent means if possible.

In the end it is what it is. Winner is the winner. Right, wrong or indifferent.
Did the Government kill Kennedy, or did the Mafia or The Federal Reserve Higher ups contract it? I don’t know but he’s still dead.

I can't think of a logical way to fraud the system in another method.   Do you know of a way I haven't thought of?

A far few conspiracy theories have merit, but to pull one off on this grand scale is near impossible.   Its like faking the moon landing.  Too many people involved, too many variables. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Opinions on this Election?
« Reply #164 on: November 05, 2020, 05:41:24 PM »
The only way they can fraud is if they steal ballots.  They don't know who is registered and voted to do fake ballots.   I doubt they can perfectly reproduce the paper or envelopes.  Not in secret atleast on the scale they need to. 

It's a very low risk.  For a low reward not worth going to jail.  They would have to have a major operation to scale.  One guy frauding a few ballots does not change a election. I can be wrong but calling it easy fraud and that is happening is fake news.  There is no evidence of any fraud is happening. Just because it theoretically can happen.  Doesn't mean it is.

Yeah, there's no way anyone wishing to cause chaos in the election would be able to get anything as closely guarded as voter registration information....

FBI: Iran, Russia obtained voter data to interfere with US elections

https://www.cnet.com/news/fbi-iran-russia-obtained-voter-data-to-interfere-with-us-elections/

Then there are the "ballot harvesters" who, for one thing, go to housing areas where elderly live and either pay them for their ballots, tell them how to sign and fill them out, or just take them without paying.

And there are reports of STACKS of ballots in trash cans in apartment complexes where the common mailbox area is.  Just scoop and vote ... many times.

A woman on the news said she arrived to vote at the polling place, and they would not let her because the computer said she'd already voted.

If every Republican in Hawaii that voted for Trump was able to find a way to vote just once more in the state, the total would have been 372, 838 for Trump.  Biden had 355,226.

But, hey.  That's just one person voting one extra time, right?

Not a smidgeon of fraud.


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Opinions on this Election?
« Reply #165 on: November 05, 2020, 06:08:25 PM »
Yeah, there's no way anyone wishing to cause chaos in the election would be able to get anything as closely guarded as voter registration information....

FBI: Iran, Russia obtained voter data to interfere with US elections

https://www.cnet.com/news/fbi-iran-russia-obtained-voter-data-to-interfere-with-us-elections/

Then there are the "ballot harvesters" who, for one thing, go to housing areas where elderly live and either pay them for their ballots, tell them how to sign and fill them out, or just take them without paying.

And there are reports of STACKS of ballots in trash cans in apartment complexes where the common mailbox area is.  Just scoop and vote ... many times.

A woman on the news said she arrived to vote at the polling place, and they would not let her because the computer said she'd already voted.

If every Republican in Hawaii that voted for Trump was able to find a way to vote just once more in the state, the total would have been 372, 838 for Trump.  Biden had 355,226.

But, hey.  That's just one person voting one extra time, right?

Not a smidgeon of fraud.

One women.   Yes clearly even if we ignore the fact of no evidence but what she said happened. It clearly must be wide spread.  There would be hundreds of that women reporting.  Stealing the list doesn't mean they can tell who voted already.   That's only half the equation.  There would be many thousands of errors.  The election system is not that easy to fake....

As for the stacks of ballots.  Your local best buy has shelves of tvs. What's stopping you from stealing one?  Maybe it's the fact you can go to jail?

Brystont1

Re: Election Results 2020
« Reply #166 on: November 05, 2020, 06:14:31 PM »
Yeah, like who? You think "polite" Mike Pence will get 56,000 people to show up in the cold in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania? Trump's "personality" may be one of the top attractants to those who are sick and tired of bullshit polit-talk. Mike Pence and his ilk ain't gonna "smash" nothing.

This is a fucking war. Nice guys ain't gonna cut it. When are Republicans ever gonna figure that out? There were what, 15 other "nice" guys "with a little more grace" in the primaries in 2016, and "brash" Trump beat them all handily. You think that's a handicap and not a feature? You gonna try and tiptoe some line that won't "offend" anyone? Good luck finding that line and someone who comes across as real and will walk it.

What's the "nice, graceful" spiel on Democrat and government bureaucracy fraud and corruption and the attempted coup of the presidency? You mean like the graceful "outrage" by many of the Congressional Republicans against the social media obvious bias and shutting down of "conservative" voices? And then they don't do an damned single thing to actually remedy the situation? Yeah, that's real "nice"... that's real "graceful"... and nothing changes. At all. Fuck that shit.

But I'm open to hearing your concrete plan. Name names. Name policies. Name what is and isn't allowed to be said.

Give me three examples of statements from Trump that are unacceptably "brash" to you, and the give us those three transformed into "graceful" versions.

Dude, you gotta relax lol. I understand your frustrated hell so am I. I’m tired of the establishment politics and that’s why trump is my guy. I agree with you that you need someone like Trump to fight these people, that’s why in my comment that you replied to literally says “to fight that establishment you can’t be a Boy Scout.” The problem is that the results speak for themselves. 72+ million people voted for Joe Biden so far. You think they voted for him because of his policy? No, they hate trump. It’s because of the way that he carries himself. Like I said earlier Trump has already won by opening our eyes to the Bull shit. Do you think we Republicans would ever vote for some weak pussy Republican ever again? I know I won’t.

If you want a name, I like Dan Crenshaw. Very smart, articulate, and a warrior.

Brystont1

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #167 on: November 05, 2020, 06:38:21 PM »
Fuck looks like trump will lose PA. 90% reporting and he only has a 24,000 lead.

omnigun

Re: Election Results 2020
« Reply #168 on: November 05, 2020, 06:52:09 PM »
Yeah, like who? You think "polite" Mike Pence will get 56,000 people to show up in the cold in middle of nowhere Pennsylvania? Trump's "personality" may be one of the top attractants to those who are sick and tired of bullshit polit-talk. Mike Pence and his ilk ain't gonna "smash" nothing.

This is a fucking war. Nice guys ain't gonna cut it. When are Republicans ever gonna figure that out? There were what, 15 other "nice" guys "with a little more grace" in the primaries in 2016, and "brash" Trump beat them all handily. You think that's a handicap and not a feature? You gonna try and tiptoe some line that won't "offend" anyone? Good luck finding that line and someone who comes across as real and will walk it.

What's the "nice, graceful" spiel on Democrat and government bureaucracy fraud and corruption and the attempted coup of the presidency? You mean like the graceful "outrage" by many of the Congressional Republicans against the social media obvious bias and shutting down of "conservative" voices? And then they don't do an damned single thing to actually remedy the situation? Yeah, that's real "nice"... that's real "graceful"... and nothing changes. At all. Fuck that shit.

But I'm open to hearing your concrete plan. Name names. Name policies. Name what is and isn't allowed to be said.

Give me three examples of statements from Trump that are unacceptably "brash" to you, and the give us those three transformed into "graceful" versions.

I would vote for Mike pence over Biden or Trump. Trump should of just been VP.

I love people who are not politically correct don't get me wrong.  But Trump is too much.  He tells lies like no others.  Distracts from his errors and is self centered.  He has no real policy. No real leadership.  He did good things but unfortunately he did more bad.  I voted for him in 2016 and I don't really regret it but I will never vote for him again.  America has lost its standing in the world because of him. 

omnigun

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #169 on: November 05, 2020, 06:56:03 PM »
Fuck looks like trump will lose PA. 90% reporting and he only has a 24,000 lead.

Yeah and Georgia is tipping. Everyone needs to get over Trump loss and save the senate. That's the real power.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #170 on: November 05, 2020, 07:08:05 PM »
Yeah and Georgia is tipping. Everyone needs to get over Trump loss and save the senate. That's the real power.

Did everyone "get over" Hildabeast losing?

I remember seeing cars and buildings burning and being spray painted and windows smashed.

If the Dems hadn't changed so many rules ahead of the election and dropped off ballots at 4am and started counts 3-4 hours before they said they would, etc, etc., maybe "get over it" would not ring hollow.  When the other side so obviously cheated and changed rules that damaged our trust in the election system, we'd be irresponsible to just "get over it."  This type of election rigging by the media -- including social media and Google -- can't be tolerated, or the country is destined to become another banana republic under a socialist regime.

I'm not prepared to "get over it" when the stakes are so high.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #171 on: November 05, 2020, 07:13:29 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #172 on: November 05, 2020, 07:18:44 PM »
No election interference at all.  Not a smidgeon of impropriety.



The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #173 on: November 05, 2020, 07:21:02 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #174 on: November 05, 2020, 07:22:35 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #175 on: November 05, 2020, 07:24:32 PM »
Omnigun is deliberately spreading disinfo. The message is clear and consistent establishment narrative: everything is fine, so do not believe your own lyinʻ eyes.
Block the little pissant, he is a blatant liberal troll.

omnigun

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #176 on: November 05, 2020, 07:24:50 PM »
Posts 2 postal workers that got arrested and charged.  Probably affecting 100 votes.  That's not wide spread coordinated fraud to steal the election by democrats.  Face it this election isn't perfect but it's one of the smoother ones recently. 

Find me widespread voter fraud by the democrats to steal the election.   And I will charge my mind.   

hvybarrels

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #177 on: November 05, 2020, 07:25:08 PM »
I'm trying to bring some balance to this conversation.   

You are a disinfo agent peddling lies. You probably never touched a gun in your life. .
The F in Communism stands for Food

omnigun

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #178 on: November 05, 2020, 07:27:29 PM »
You are a disinfo agent peddling lies. You probably never touched a gun in your life. .

I own many,  I exist in real life.  If you want to meet and talk in real life at the range I can do that.  I just care about this community and guns in my own way.  I am not a republican.  Nor am I liberal.  I just don't drink the Trump kool-aid.

hvybarrels

Re: Election Results 2020 / Opinions on this Election? Merged Thread
« Reply #179 on: November 05, 2020, 07:30:08 PM »
I own many,  I exist in real life.  If you want to meet and talk in real life at the range I can do that.  I just care about this community and guns in my own way.  I am not a republican.  Nor am I liberal.  O just don't drink the Trump kool-aid.

When Biden tries to pass the executive order banning semi autos you will most likely say something like "Aw cmon guys, we didn't really need those anyway."
The F in Communism stands for Food