Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners? (Read 17236 times)

tim808

Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« on: November 07, 2020, 08:24:41 AM »
It will go all blue if the senate goes to a democrat majority

Should I expect low supply and high prices for ammo, mags/firearm parts and firearms for Bidens entire 4 year term?

Will it be worser than the Obama years...like the days when ar barrel couldn’t have threads for muzzle devices?

Im trying to get a feel for how I should prioritize my spending.  I’m thinking:
1. 22lr ammo
2.  Reloading components
3. Spare Ar parts??  Like oops parts.  (I have several ars and can cannibalize if needed)

I think I should be good for mags and firearms. 
I have enough components for about 6k rounds of 9mm for my Ar9 and 2k rounds of 223
I had enough 22lr until my family started coming to the range with me.

I’m a pake/cheap.  I mainly shoot 22.  The ar9 is for occasional use to break up the 22 monotony.  I rarely shoot centerfire rifle calibers

Anything else that I should consider?

I wish I was like LMT and only pretended I had firearms.  I wouldn’t have to worry about what to buy :-)
LMT - prove me wrong on Veterans Day - Xoxo  :-)
« Last Edit: November 07, 2020, 08:30:34 AM by tim808 »

drck1000

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2020, 08:37:17 AM »
Prepare smartly.  Plan around what your interests are and what you want to shoot, and why you want to shoot.  Have enough supplies, as best you can, for those.  While I try to prepare, can't good off the deep end preparing.  To a certain extent, just have to see what happens.  While I am expecting things to be worse with Biden than Obama, this is something that many of us have been going through for years. 

omnigun

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2020, 08:40:07 AM »
It comes down to congress.  If it stays red, Biden can only do XO's which can't do massive changes.  I don't foresee mainstream ammo bans (22lr).   Prices will go crazy for some time. Its uncharted territory,  not sure what he can ban through only executive orders.  If senate stays red they can block most laws, and the supreme court can shutdown stuff too. 

aaronc5362

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2020, 08:46:34 AM »
Yea looks like biden goin win. Lol

As far as i know he wants to reinstate that weapons ban in the 90s.

So best be stocking up on things that were ban during that time.

Fortunately, he cant do anything til his inauguration which is in jan? I forget what day that exactly is. But it will give us a couple months time to buy stuff. And we can get some holiday pricing items . Im cheap too

HeliosRX8

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2020, 08:51:40 AM »
What was banned in the 90's weapons ban that we should stock up on now?

aieahound

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2020, 08:52:35 AM »
I’m personally more worried that our Local Legislature will become emboldened by Biden’s victory and try to pass everything Biden wants but can’t pass Nationally.

ren

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2020, 08:53:01 AM »
I predict it will be because he blatantly called for more restrictions.
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ren

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2020, 08:53:20 AM »
I’m personally more worried that our Local Legislature will become emboldened by Biden’s victory and try to pass everything Biden wants but can’t pass Nationally.

exactly
and with their past legislation, our local legislature is not afraid of Constitutional rights. They will step over the 4th to destroy the 2nd.
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drck1000

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2020, 08:56:11 AM »
I’m personally more worried that our Local Legislature will become emboldened by Biden’s victory and try to pass everything Biden wants but can’t pass Nationally.

exactly
and with their past legislation, our local legislature is not afraid of Constitutional rights. They will step over the 4th to destroy the 2nd.

Yup. But we have all knowing one focused in XO BS and continuing to comment in things they are ignorant about.

tim808

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2020, 08:56:20 AM »
I mainly shoot so my friend has someone to shoot with.  Also to socialize with my other friends and coworkers.
If they stopped shooting.  I’d stop too.

(I have a lot of stuff to do so the home is ready to rent before we move to the mainland)

Senate is 48-48 and I have a feeling it is going to flip blue.   Country is getting bluer.  I had considered Arizona and Nevada as possible places to retire to....but they are turning blue. 

Hawaii sucks and I’m sure it will suck more in the coming years.   Dang.  I can’t even register my firearms yet.

omnigun

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2020, 08:56:47 AM »
What was banned in the 90's weapons ban that we should stock up on now?

Evil scary black semi autos.

But that was a law, he managed to get through the house and senate.

drck1000

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2020, 08:58:10 AM »
What was banned in the 90's weapons ban that we should stock up on now?

Look up AWB 1994

Here’s a taste of things likely to come.

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=0FC188C8-3FF7-4C15-9345-D1ABC07BEE16

omnigun

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2020, 08:58:37 AM »
I mainly shoot so my friend has someone to shoot with.  Also to socialize with my other friends and coworkers.
If they stopped shooting.  I’d stop too.

(I have a lot of stuff to do so the home is ready to rent before we move to the mainland)

Senate is 48-48 and I have a feeling it is going to flip blue.   Country is getting bluer.  I had considered Arizona and Nevada as possible places to retire to....but they are turning blue. 

Hawaii sucks and I’m sure it will suck more in the coming years.   Dang.  I can’t even register my firearms yet.

With Alaska and North Carolina it looks like it will end up 48-50.  Then 2 special elections in Georgia.  If republicans win 1 or both they control congress. 

omnigun

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2020, 09:03:01 AM »
Look up AWB 1994

Here’s a taste of things likely to come.

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=0FC188C8-3FF7-4C15-9345-D1ABC07BEE16

Dang that's fucked up,  At least they grandfather.  But that's just throwing flakes of food on the ground for us.  We really really need to keep congress.  I am thinking to donating to a fund for the special election in Georgia.

drck1000

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2020, 09:05:20 AM »
Dang that's fucked up,  At least they grandfather.  But that's just throwing flakes of food on the ground for us.  We really really need to keep congress.  I am thinking to donating to a fund for the special election in Georgia.
Maybe you’ll hear this one loud and clear. That’s just a sample of what they want to do... And Hawaii’s leg has a history of trying to push thing further and be a “beacon” to lead the way.

ren

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2020, 09:06:22 AM »
Dang that's fucked up,  At least they grandfather.  But that's just throwing flakes of food on the ground for us.  We really really need to keep congress.  I am thinking to donating to a fund for the special election in Georgia.

where have you been? Are you on dial up? Did you just come out of an America Online chat room?
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Rocky

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2020, 09:06:27 AM »
Look up AWB 1994

Here’s a taste of things likely to come.

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=0FC188C8-3FF7-4C15-9345-D1ABC07BEE16
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These are firearms specifically mentioned in the latest Assault Weapons Ban bill. Keep in mind that just because your firearm isn’t listed, doesn’t mean it won’t get caught up in the ban — in fact, language in the bill literally makes thousands of different firearms illegal, should the bill pass.
Banned Rifles
Vector Arms AK47

ALL AK Style Firearms, Including the following:

AK, AK47, AK47S, AK–74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR–47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK–47, VEPR, WASR–10, and WUM.

    IZHMASH Saiga AK.
    MAADI AK47 and ARM.
    Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S.
    Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS.

Ruger SR556

All AR Style Rifles, including the following specifically listed in the bill:

    R–10.
    AR–15.
    Alexander Arms Overmatch Plus 16.
    Armalite M15 22LR Carbine.
    Armalite M15–T.
    Barrett REC7.
    Beretta AR–70.
    Black Rain Ordnance Recon Scout.
    Bushmaster ACR.
    Bushmaster Carbon 15.
    Bushmaster MOE series.
    Bushmaster XM15.
    Chiappa Firearms MFour rifles.
    Colt Match Target rifles.
    CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 rifles.
    Daniel Defense M4A1 rifles

    Devil Dog Arms 15 Series rifles.
    Diamondback DB15 rifles.
    DoubleStar AR rifles.
    DPMS Tactical rifles.
    DSA Inc. ZM–4 Carbine.
    Heckler & Koch MR556.
    High Standard HSA–15 rifles.
    Jesse James Nomad AR–15 rifle.
    Knight’s Armament SR–15.
    Lancer L15 rifles.
    MGI Hydra Series rifles.
    Mossberg MMR Tactical rifles.
    Noreen Firearms BN 36 rifle.
    Olympic Arms.
    POF USA P415

    Precision Firearms AR rifles.
    Remington R–15 rifles.
    Rhino Arms AR rifles.
    Rock River Arms LAR–15.
    Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles and MCX rifles.
    SKS with a detachable magazine.
    Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifles.
    Stag Arms AR rifles.
    Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 and AR–556 rifles.
    Uselton Arms Air-Lite M–4 rifles.
    Windham Weaponry AR rifles.
    WMD Guns Big Beast.
    Yankee Hill Machine Company, Inc. YHM–15 rifles

Barrett M82A1

The Following Unclassified Rifles

    Barrett M107A1
    Barrett M82A1
    Beretta CX4 Storm
    Calico Liberty Series
    CETME Sporte
    Daewoo K–1, K–2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C
    Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000
    Feather Industries AT–9
    Galil Model AR and Model ARM

    Hi-Point Carbine
    HK–91, HK–93, HK–94, HK–PSG–1, and HK USC
    IWI TAVOR, Galil ACE rifle.
    Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU–16, and RFB.
    SIG AMT, SIG PE–57, Sig Sauer SG 550, Sig Sauer SG 551, and SIG MCX.
    Springfield Armory SAR–48.
    Steyr AUG.
    Sturm, Ruger & Co. Mini-14 Tactical Rifle M–14/20CF.

All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson TIB, Thompson T1BJ00D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1-C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C

UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini, Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.
Banned Handguns

All AK-47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol; CZ Scorpion pistol; Draco AK–47 pistol; HCR AK–47 pistol.; IO Inc. Hellpup AK–47 pistol; Krinkov pistol; Mini Draco AK–47 pistol; PAP M92 pistol; Yugo Krebs Krink pistol.

All AR-15 Types, inducing: American Spirit AR–15 pistol; Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol; Chiappa Firearms M4 Pistol GEN II; CORE Rifle Systems CORE15 Roscoe pistol.; Daniel Defense MK18 pistol; DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol; DPMS AR–15 pistol; Jesse James Nomad AR–15 pistol; Olympic Arms AR–15 pistol; Osprey Armament MK–18 pistol; POF USA AR pistols; Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Uselton Arms Air-Lite M–4 pistol.

Random Pistols Listed:

    Calico Liberty pistols.
    DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol.
    Encom MP–9 and MP–45.
    Heckler & Koch model SP–89 pistol.
    Intratec AB–10, TEC–22 Scorpion, TEC–9, and TEC–DC9.
    IWI Galil Ace pistol, UZI PRO pistol.
    Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol.
    Sig Sauer P556 pistol
    Sites Spectre.

The following MAC Types: MAC–10; MAC–11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M–11; Velocity Arms VMAC.

All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA5100, Thompson TA5;

All UZI types, including the Micro-UZI.

BANNED SHOTGUNS:

    DERYA Anakon MC–1980
    Anakon SD12
    Doruk Lethal shotguns
    Franchi LAW–12 and SPAS 12
    All IZHMASH Saiga types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12s EXP-01,IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12k-30, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-040 Taktika
    Streetsweeper
    Striker 12.

All Belt-fed semiautomatic Firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW, M2HB, and FN M2495.

If your firearms is not listed above, please keep in mind that this ban goes much farther than what’s listed above.  According to language in the bill, even a .22lr rifle (that has a detachable magazine and a rail system) would be considered an illegal weapon.
Firearm Accessories included in the “Assault Weapons Ban”

    Firearms that accept “a detachable ammunition magazine and [have] one or more military characteristics including a pistol grip, a forward grip, a barrel shroud, a threaded barrel or a folding or telescoping stock.
    Magazines would be banned if they “hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition.”

Other provisions in the Bill:

    Requires a background check on any future sale, trade or gifting of an assault weapon covered by the bill.
    Requires that grandfathered assault weapons are stored using a secure gun storage or safety device like a trigger lock.
    Prohibits the transfer of high-capacity ammunition magazines.
    Bans bump-fire stocks and other devices that allow semi-automatic weapons to fire at fully automatic rates.
    Bans stocks that are “otherwise foldable or adjustable in a manner that operates to reduce the length, size, or any other dimension, or otherwise enhances the concealability of a firearm.”
    Bans assault pistols that weigh 50 or more ounces when unloaded, a policy included in the original 1994 ban.
    Bans assault pistol stabilizing braces that transform assault pistols into assault rifles by allowing the shooter to shoulder the weapon and fire more accurately.
    Bans Thordsen-type grips and stocks that are designed to evade a ban on assault weapons.
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omnigun

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2020, 09:07:19 AM »
Maybe you’ll hear this one loud and clear. That’s just a sample of what they want to do... And Hawaii’s leg has a history of trying to push thing further and be a “beacon” to lead the way.

That very well may happen.  We only have the supreme court to stop them.  Which can't be packed if senate remains red.

omnigun

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2020, 09:08:03 AM »
where have you been? Are you on dial up? Did you just come out of an America Online chat room?

I knew they wanted to do stuff, but want and possible are two different things. 

ren

Re: Is it going to be worst than Obama for gun owners?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2020, 09:09:19 AM »
That very well may happen.  We only have the supreme court to stop them.  Which can't be packed if senate remains red.

uh huh. You realize that it takes YEARS for a case to be heard at that level right? Meanwhile what ever local legislation they pass will be in effect in WEEKS.
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