uh huh. You realize that it takes YEARS for a case to be heard at that level right? Meanwhile what ever local legislation they pass will be in effect in WEEKS.

Local judges can put a stay on the order, till it reaches the supreme court,  If they do something stupid like wanting confiscation. 

I knew they wanted to do stuff, but want and possible are two different things.

haven't you seen the local legislation efforts to ban mags and the like this past session? It is very much possible. It was almost a reality and it's becoming more real come 2021.

Local judges can put a stay on the order, till it reaches the supreme court,  If they do something stupid like wanting confiscation.

You really trust OUR LOCAL judges to do that? And how are local judges determined here in Hawaii?

You really trust OUR LOCAL judges to do that? And how our local judges are determined here in Hawaii?

If commiefornia judges can put a stay our local ones can. 

If commiefornia judges can put a stay our local ones can.

Very naive
You're going out on a very thin limb with a right.

There’s gonna be a run on 10 round AR Mags.
And a ton of 20’s and 30’s are gonna be lost in boating accidents.
(And float to the surface during the zombie apocalypse)

That’s my prediction.

Very naive
You're going out on a very thin limb with a right.

I think he might be a DACA kid because he certainly is a Dreamer.

I knew they wanted to do stuff, but want and possible are two different things.

and that is how you went from a full cake to a crumb or just the layer of paper the cake sat on

Most importantly, as a gun owner, it's not just about owning a gun but celebrating our most fundamental right and freedom to do so.
With what Biden has in store it destroys that.
Don't care about owning firearms at this point - it's about being an American and Joe Biden's vision will strip away that pride.
This very well could be a blueprint for our LOCAL legislators, after all, they are Democrats...so forget about federal laws
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/


The Biden Plan to End Our Gun Violence Epidemic

Joe Biden knows that gun violence is a public health epidemic. Almost 40,000 people die as a result of firearm injuries every year in the United States, and many more are wounded. Some of these deaths and injuries are the result of mass shootings that make national headlines. Others are the result of daily acts of gun violence or suicides that may not make national headlines, but are just as devastating to the families and communities left behind.

Joe Biden has taken on the National Rifle Association (NRA) on the national stage and won – twice. In 1993, he shepherded through Congress the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, which established the background check system that has since kept more than 3 million firearms out of dangerous hands. In 1994, Biden – along with Senator Dianne Feinstein – secured the passage of 10-year bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. As president, Joe Biden will defeat the NRA again.

Joe Biden also knows how to make progress on reducing gun violence using executive action. After the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012, President Obama tasked Vice President Biden with developing both legislative proposals and executive actions to make our communities safer. As a result of this effort, the Obama-Biden Administration took more than two dozen actions, including narrowing the so-called “gun show loophole,” increasing the number of records in the background check system, and expanding funding for mental health services.

It’s within our grasp to end our gun violence epidemic and respect the Second Amendment, which is limited. As president, Biden will pursue constitutional, common-sense gun safety policies. Biden will:

Hold gun manufacturers accountable. In 2005, then-Senator Biden voted against the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, but gun manufacturers successfully lobbied Congress to secure its passage. This law protects these manufacturers from being held civilly liable for their products – a protection granted to no other industry. Biden will prioritize repealing this protection.

Get weapons of war off our streets. The bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines that Biden, along with Senator Feinstein, secured in 1994 reduced the lethality of mass shootings. But, in order to secure the passage of the bans, they had to agree to a 10-year sunset provision and when the time came, the Bush Administration failed to extend them. As president, Biden will:

    Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. Federal law prevents hunters from hunting migratory game birds with more than three shells in their shotgun. That means our federal law does more to protect ducks than children. It’s wrong. Joe Biden will enact legislation to once again ban assault weapons. This time, the bans will be designed based on lessons learned from the 1994 bans. For example, the ban on assault weapons will be designed to prevent manufacturers from circumventing the law by making minor changes that don’t limit the weapon’s lethality. While working to pass this legislation, Biden will also use his executive authority to ban the importation of assault weapons.

    Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act. Currently, the National Firearms Act requires individuals possessing machine-guns, silencers, and short-barreled rifles to undergo a background check and register those weapons with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF). Due to these requirements, such weapons are rarely used in crimes. As president, Biden will pursue legislation to regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act.

    Buy back the assault weapons and high-capacity magazines already in our communities. Biden will also institute a program to buy back weapons of war currently on our streets. This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act.

    Reduce stockpiling of weapons. In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.

Keep guns out of dangerous hands. The federal background check system (the National Instant Criminal Background Check System) is one of the best tools we have to prevent gun violence, but it’s only effective when it’s used. Biden will enact universal background check legislation and close other loopholes that allow people who should be prohibited from purchasing firearms from making those purchases. Specifically, he will:

    Require background checks for all gun sales. Today, an estimated 1 in 5 firearms are sold or transferred without a background check. Biden will enact universal background check legislation, requiring a background check for all gun sales with very limited exceptions, such as gifts between close family members. This will close the so-called “gun show and online sales loophole” that the Obama-Biden Administration narrowed, but which cannot be fully closed by executive action alone.

        Close other loopholes in the federal background check system. In addition to closing the “boyfriend loophole” highlighted below, Biden will:

        Reinstate the Obama-Biden policy to keep guns out of the hands of certain people unable to manage their affairs for mental reasons, which President Trump reversed. In 2016, the Obama-Biden Administration finalized a rule to make sure the Social Security Administration (SSA) sends to the background check system records that it holds of individuals who are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms because they have been adjudicated by the SSA as unable to manage their affairs for mental reasons. But one of the first actions Donald Trump took as president was to reverse this rule. President Biden will enact legislation to codify this policy.

        Close the “hate crime loophole.” Biden will enact legislation prohibiting an individual “who has been convicted of a misdemeanor hate crime, or received an enhanced sentence for a misdemeanor because of hate or bias in its commission” from purchasing or possessing a firearm.

        Close the “Charleston loophole.” The Charleston loophole allows people to complete a firearms purchase if their background check is not completed within three business days. Biden supports the proposal in the Enhanced Background Checks Act of 2019, which extends the timeline from three to 10 business days. Biden will also direct the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to put on his desk within his first 100 days as president a report detailing the cases in which background checks are not completed within 10 business days and steps the federal government can take to reduce or eliminate this occurrence.

        Close the “fugitive from justice” loophole created by the Trump Administration. Because of actions by the Trump Administration, records of almost 500,000 fugitives from justice who are prohibited from purchasing firearms were deleted from the background check system. The Biden Administration will restore these records, and enact legislation to make clear that people facing arrest warrants are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms.

End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.

Create an effective program to ensure individuals who become prohibited from possessing firearms relinquish their weapons. Federal law defines categories of individuals who are prohibited from purchasing or possessing firearms, and the federal background check system is an effective tool for ensuring prohibited persons cannot purchase firearms. But we lack any serious tool to ensure that when someone becomes newly prohibited – for example, because they commit a violent crime – they relinquish possession of their firearms. There are some promising models for how this could be enforced. For example, California has a mandatory process for ensuring relinquishment by any individual newly subject to a domestic violence restraining order. As president, Biden will direct the FBI and ATF to outline a model relinquishment process, enact any necessary legislation to ensure relinquishment when individuals newly fall under one of the federal prohibitions, and then provide technical and financial assistance to state and local governments to establish effective relinquishment processes on their own.

Incentivize state “extreme risk” laws. Extreme risk laws, also called “red flag” laws, enable family members or law enforcement officials to temporarily remove an individual’s access to firearms when that individual is in crisis and poses a danger to themselves or others. Biden will incentivize the adoption of these laws by giving states funds to implement them. And, he’ll direct the U.S. Department of Justice to issue best practices and offer technical assistance to states interested in enacting an extreme risk law.

Give states incentives to set up gun licensing programs. Biden will enact legislation to give states and local governments grants to require individuals to obtain a license prior to purchasing a gun.

Biden will start out as a lame duck for at least the next 2 years, which means he has minimal influence on the 2A.  We will maintain the lead in the senate to block any gun control bills.  All of the SOCTUS and appeals court judge vacancies are already filled, and any new vacancies will be filled with moderates.  Biden can restrict international imports of guns and ammo through tariffs and regulations.  He can also change regulations for FFL"s to make their lives harder, change ATF regulations, and reenact regulations that Trump deleted which could drive up the overall cost of doing business in America.  There is a chance we could lose the Senate in 2022 with 20 Republican seats vs 12 Democrat seats up.  However we dashed Democrat hopes of a clean sweep in 2022 by winning, not losing, House seats this year.  The Democrat party is going through turmoil right now because of this with progressives and moderates fighting over election losses.  This should lead to a more moderate House in the future.

For the near term, ammo and gun availability dermand has peaked.  The panic will slowly subside due to Republicans retaining control in the Senate and positive news on a COVID vaccine in December.  The riots will go down a bit both because it's cold in the winter and Biden is President.  I see ammo availability returning to normal this summer, however I don't see the epic low ammo prices returning for a long time, if ever.

There’s gonna be a run on 10 round AR Mags.
And a ton of 20’s and 30’s are gonna be lost in boating accidents.
(And float to the surface during the zombie apocalypse)

That’s my prediction.

I think he might be a DACA kid because he certainly is a Dreamer.

I am honestly just trying to stay positive.   The election is mostly over.  Nothing can stop what's coming, but you can still hope for the best.  Senate and Courts can do some to help. 

Biden will start out as a lame duck for at least the next 2 years, which means he has minimal influence on the 2A.  We will maintain the lead in the senate to block any gun control bills.  All of the SOCTUS and appeals court judge vacancies are already filled, and any new vacancies will be filled with moderates.  Biden can restrict international imports of guns and ammo through tariffs and regulations.  He can also change regulations for FFL"s to make their lives harder, change ATF regulations, and reenact regulations that Trump deleted which could drive up the overall cost of doing business in America.  There is a chance we could lose the Senate in 2022 with 20 Republican seats vs 12 Democrat seats up.  However we dashed Democrat hopes of a clean sweep in 2022 by winning, not losing, House seats this year.  The Democrat party is going through turmoil right now because of this with progressives and moderates fighting over election losses.  This should lead to a more moderate House in the future.

For the near term, ammo and gun availability has peaked.  The panic will slowly subside due to Republicans retaining control in the Senate and positive news on a COVID vaccine in December.  The riots will go down a bit both because it's cold in the winter and Biden is President.  I see ammo availability returning to normal this summer, however I don't see the epic low ammo prices returning for a long time, if ever.

This.

I just came from SEC
AR ammo ... none
9mm ....  limited HP's
22 mini mags... sold out. 
22 standard almost sold out.  I got 3 bricks today to add to my stash of many bricks of 22
All ammo is limited supply

I predict ammo supply is going to get worse real fast
If you havent been hoarding already, it's too late now
I would say grab whatever you can. Ammo, reloading supplies, parts, AR's, etc. I anticipate shortages to last at least 6 months or more
Buy your gun stuff now, before I buy it all   

I just came from SEC
AR ammo ... none
9mm ....  limited HP's
22 mini mags... sold out. 
22 standard almost sold out.  I got 3 bricks today to add to my stash of many bricks of 22
All ammo is limited supply

I predict ammo supply is going to get worse real fast
If you havent been hoarding already, it's too late now
I would say grab whatever you can. Ammo, reloading supplies, parts, AR's, etc. I anticipate shortages to last at least 6 months or more
Buy your gun stuff now, before I buy it all   

Must have just missed you. I was there maybe 30-40 mins ago. But hard to tell with masks. Unless you had an orange Ruger one.

Biden will start out as a lame duck for at least the next 2 years, which means he has minimal influence on the 2A.  We will maintain the lead in the senate to block any gun control bills.  All of the SOCTUS and appeals court judge vacancies are already filled, and any new vacancies will be filled with moderates.  Biden can restrict international imports of guns and ammo through tariffs and regulations.  He can also change regulations for FFL"s to make their lives harder, change ATF regulations, and reenact regulations that Trump deleted which could drive up the overall cost of doing business in America.  There is a chance we could lose the Senate in 2022 with 20 Republican seats vs 12 Democrat seats up.  However we dashed Democrat hopes of a clean sweep in 2022 by winning, not losing, House seats this year.  The Democrat party is going through turmoil right now because of this with progressives and moderates fighting over election losses.  This should lead to a more moderate House in the future.

For the near term, ammo and gun availability has peaked.  The panic will slowly subside due to Republicans retaining control in the Senate and positive news on a COVID vaccine in December.  The riots will go down a bit both because it's cold in the winter and Biden is President.  I see ammo availability returning to normal this summer, however I don't see the epic low ammo prices returning for a long time, if ever.

I don't agree with this assessment. I remain pessimistic.
I don't think ammo and gun supplies have "peaked". I think that demand has outstripped supply earlier this year and we will continue to experience supply deficits going well into 2021. The Black Swan event that contributed to increased demand was the pandemic. A lot more gun owners with an appetite for more ammunition.
If Biden was able to pull off this election they are certainly capable of eroding our 2a rights.

I don't agree with this assessment. I remain pessimistic.
I don't think ammo and gun supplies have "peaked". I think that demand has outstripped supply earlier this year and we will continue to experience supply deficits going well into 2021. The Black Swan event that contributed to increased demand was the pandemic. A lot more gun owners with an appetite for more ammunition.
If Biden was able to pull off this election they are certainly capable of eroding our 2a rights.

Made a mistake on my post.  I meant ammo and gun DEMAND has peaked, not availability.

Made a mistake on my post.  I meant ammo and gun DEMAND has peaked, not availability.

I think we haven’t seen nuttin yet.

IMO the surge was from folks who either new to guns or woke up to the fragile state of things with riots and “protests”. Now what will come are those who were “borderline” and now will rush to stock up. I consider myself not that far from that group.

Like we’ve witnessed with hoarding from COVID, can’t rationalize an irrational response.

Must have just missed you. I was there maybe 30-40 mins ago. But hard to tell with masks. Unless you had an orange Ruger one.

Yeah. I must have got there after you left

In a month $1 per round will look like a bargain

I think we will get another surge of buying. Panic buying and hoarding in anticipation of what will come in the new administration.
New owners will get a taste of firearms and want more
Old owners will want more while they still can get it
Everyone wants more ammo as it's getting more hard to find
It's like the TP syndrome. The less there is on the shelf, the more we want to hoard

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D82Ppmg0abO4&ved=2ahUKEwi29Lano_HsAhWEu54KHeL2DHAQo7QBMAB6BAgCEAE&usg=AOvVaw3mO_HWZ-P3ml2Cb0TcXCun

Mrguns said he took that from bidens webpage or something along those lines