Biggest problem with election laws is there arent really any big penalties for not following them, only place that is changing that is Texas. Youd think there would be some serious jail time for violating the civil rights of thousands if not millions of people.

^^^This. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProfMJCleveland/status/1417107839194177540

Georgia saga continues:  Fri., in little noticed story, local reporter went door to door asking some of 10,300-plus likely illegal voters about their votes.  Then when SOS's COO confronted w/ admission that illegal voting occurred, he excused it!



https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/19/georgia-voting-official-makes-excuses-for-residents-who-illegally-voted-in-2020/


Georgia Voting Official Makes Excuses For Residents Who Illegally Voted in 2020

I consider every instance of illegal voting to be a conspiracy, because that's what it takes for the act to be successful.  The first conspirator is obviously the voter who knew what they were doing was wrong/illegal.

The second conspirator is the state and county official who has the responsibility to prevent such acts.  Simple procedures, such as requiring a current ID with an address AND a current utility bill with the name and address would be plenty of evidence to produce in person to vote. 

If someone moves, they usually submit a change of address card to the post office.  Why can those not be forwarded to the county clerk's office so the addresses get updated -- and anyone leaving their precinct gets updated to another precinct or removed?

The ability to keep voter roles current exists.  The motivation seems to be lacking.  Most states have LAWS that require roles to be reviewed and purged before each general election at least.  We know it's not getting done, but as you said, nobody is losing their jobs or being arrested for it.

For every person that votes illegally, a legal voter has his/her vote nullified.  So much for free and FAIR elections.

I consider every instance of illegal voting to be a conspiracy, because that's what it takes for the act to be successful.  The first conspirator is obviously the voter who knew what they were doing was wrong/illegal.

The second conspirator is the state and county official who has the responsibility to prevent such acts.  Simple procedures, such as requiring a current ID with an address AND a current utility bill with the name and address would be plenty of evidence to produce in person to vote. 

If someone moves, they usually submit a change of address card to the post office.  Why can those not be forwarded to the county clerk's office so the addresses get updated -- and anyone leaving their precinct gets updated to another precinct or removed?

The ability to keep voter roles current exists.  The motivation seems to be lacking.  Most states have LAWS that require roles to be reviewed and purged before each general election at least.  We know it's not getting done, but as you said, nobody is losing their jobs or being arrested for it.

For every person that votes illegally, a legal voter has his/her vote nullified.  So much for free and FAIR elections.

Lol

So every fight is attempted murder?  There's a reason why we have distinguishing levels of crime...

Easier said than done,  you try fund all those changes.  Oh wait republicans tend to deny funding to modernizations.

Lol

So every fight is attempted murder?  There's a reason why we have distinguishing levels of crime...

Easier said than done,  you try fund all those changes.  Oh wait republicans tend to deny funding to modernizations.

I want you to consider how you appear to everyone when all your replies start with LOL! or  .

Your analogies are lame.  We all know what I meant, but here you are projecting your stupidity and ignorance.  I never mentioned fights or murder.  Straw man arguments are obvious.   

As for "funding to modernizations", what does that even mean? 

 

I want you to consider how you appear to everyone when all your replies start with LOL! or  .

Your analogies are lame.  We all know what I meant, but here you are projecting your stupidity and ignorance.  I never mentioned fights or murder.  Straw man arguments are obvious.   

As for "funding to modernizations", what does that even mean? 

 

FB did spend millions "funding" the election process in swing areas. Maybe he meant that?

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US/ State Governments takes EVERY instance of tax or welfare fraud very seriously, they have the resources to take Voter fraud just a seriously.

Nope but to make these connected modern systems where all these agencies share info is quite expensive.   Alot of private info and system interconnectivity.

US/ State Governments takes EVERY instance of tax or welfare fraud very seriously, they have the resources to take Voter fraud just a seriously.

Yep.  They already have poll workers.  Why is it going to cost more to "fund" new requirements, like ID and proof of residence?  Welfare departments already do that.  A lease, a bill, a notarized letter from the home owner, etc. is all it takes.  Once the proof is provided, it should be good from then on unless a USPS change of address card is submitted for  that resident at that old address. 

The US Post Office already provides change of addresses to other gov't agencies like Social Security.  Ever see "ADDRESS CORRECTION REQUESTED", "ADDRESS SERVICE REQUESTED" or "CHANGE SERVICE REQUESTED" on the front of a piece of mail?  That means the sender has paid, or agrees to pay, for the new address if a change of address card is on file.  That's how so many places keep your address up to date even though you may not have gotten around to informing them you've moved.

I moved to another address in Mililani after being registered to vote in Hawaii for 7 years.  I never notified the clerk of the move, but lo and behold, I received the regular yellow election info card from them telling me where my new voting location is, what my US Representative district is, etc. -- and the card was addressed to my new house.

So, the process and means exist.  it's just a matter of not letting LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS argue that the GOP won't fund "modernizations."   

Nope but to make these connected modern systems where all these agencies share info is quite expensive.   Alot of private info and system interconnectivity.

Bullsh!t.

See my previous post.

FYI. I've used freeware to set up mailing list databases that connect to the USPS postal address databases -- FOR FREE.

As long as you aren't validating thousands of addresses at a time, you won't get charged for the service.

Basically, you type in your address, and the system validates it with the USPS records.  Not only does it tell you if the address exists, it also offers to change what you typed into the standard USPS approved address format with all punctuation, abbreviations and so on entered as the Post Office prefers.

Don't give me that BS about how the Post Office can't work with others.  You're blowing stinky black smoke out of your ass.

FYI. I've used freeware to set up mailing list databases that connect to the USPS postal address databases -- FOR FREE.

As long as you aren't validating thousands of addresses at a time, you won't get charged for the service.

Basically, you type in your address, and the system validates it with the USPS records.  Not only does it tell you if the address exists, it also offers to change what you typed into the standard USPS approved address format with all punctuation, abbreviations and so on entered as the Post Office prefers.

Don't give me that BS about how the Post Office can't work with others.  You're blowing stinky black smoke out of your ass.

How do you prevent fraud,  how do you protect personal info,  how do you standardize? 

How do you prevent fraud,  how do you protect personal info,  how do you standardize?

  are you talking about?  Fraud by whom?  How are they causing fraud?

The database access from the USPS is read-only.  (Do I have to explain that to you, too?)

Once the information is in your hands, it's up to you to provide whatever safeguards are needed.  More often than not, the individual is providing their address online voluntarily.  The USPS connection checks what they entered and validates/corrects it.  That ensures I'm not collecting a bunch of bogus or misspelled addresses -- not that anyone ever types anything incorrectly on the Internet, Mr. "Don't blame me if I can't spell!"     LOL!

You pretend to know how IT is supposed to work, yet you think systems that are already in place are insecure, violate individual privacy, or don't exist and cost too much.

Maybe you need to stop writing so much and maybe try starting a project where you can learn something you don't already know.  Believe me -- that's a massively large pool of projects to choose from. 

"...how do you standardize?"

Off topic, but let me do some of your homework for you.

https://www.usps.com/business/web-tools-apis/welcome.htm

https://www.usps.com/business/web-tools-apis/address-information-api.pdf

I guess us "old" programmers still have some things to teach the know-it-all Millennials, huh?   

If you've ever looked up a zip code on the USPS website, it usually tells you "what you entered" followed by the USPS standard address format. 

If you type in "Street", it'll change it to "ST".  If you use lowercase, it'll change them to all caps.  If you use commas and periods, they get taken out.

Why am I not surprised that you don't understand how standards work?   

https://tools.usps.com/zip-code-lookup.htm?byaddress

are you talking about?  Fraud by whom?  How are they causing fraud?

The database access from the USPS is read-only.  (Do I have to explain that to you, too?)

Once the information is in your hands, it's up to you to provide whatever safeguards are needed.  More often than not, the individual is providing their address online voluntarily.  The USPS connection checks what they entered and validates/corrects it.  That ensures I'm not collecting a bunch of bogus or misspelled addresses -- not that anyone ever types anything incorrectly on the Internet, Mr. "Don't blame me if I can't spell!"     LOL!

You pretend to know how IT is supposed to work, yet you think systems that are already in place are insecure, violate individual privacy, or don't exist and cost too much.

Maybe you need to stop writing so much and maybe try starting a project where you can learn something you don't already know.  Believe me -- that's a massively large pool of projects to choose from.

Changing someone's address to intercept mail.  Hell, changing address to "election fraud".   There's many protections that need to be in place.  The tax department has very strict requirements for their info and validity.

FYI the systems in place ain't perfect and do need improving its a process, a very expensive one.  You be surprised how inefficient things are.

If you've ever looked up a zip code on the USPS website, it usually tells you "what you entered" followed by the USPS standard address format. 

If you type in "Street", it'll change it to "ST".  If you use lowercase, it'll change them to all caps.  If you use commas and periods, they get taken out.

Why am I not surprised that you don't understand how standards work?   

https://tools.usps.com/zip-code-lookup.htm?byaddress

You were suggesting standards across departments...so the tax department and the drivers license, the mail etc. 

You were suggesting standards across departments...so the tax department and the drivers license, the mail etc.

Standards start with the source.  The USPS is the source for all delivery addresses in the US.  Everyone else either adapts to that, or they create a database view that converts the stored USPS addresses into whatever standards you want to implement.

It's called database administration.  I'm a DBA.  If you need lessons, we can discuss rates. 

BTW, I take PayPal.

 

Goal post moved. "Cant do it cause it will cost too much".

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Goal post moved. "Cant do it cause it will cost too much".

More like, "Can't do it because I don't know how things work at the Post Office."

Standards start with the source.  The USPS is the source for all delivery addresses in the US.  Everyone else either adapts to that, or they create a database view that converts the stored USPS addresses into whatever standards you want to implement.

It's called database administration.  I'm a DBA.  If you need lessons, we can discuss rates. 

BTW, I take PayPal.

 

Never said it was a bad idea just that you should work on convincing the other agencies.