The COVID Cult (Read 1503643 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #940 on: December 16, 2020, 11:43:06 AM »
“Millennials know how to multitask”. He makes it sound like they invented the idea. I hate to break it to him but us Boomers were multitasking before he was even born. He can thank us Boomers for teaching him how to multitask.  :rofl:

My grandmother ran a snack bar at the local bowling alley for decades.  She could take 15 orders all in her head -- no written tickets -- all while cooking the orders, refilling sodas and coffee, answering menu questions, ringing up customers on an old-timey cash register, taking money, making change, taking deliveries of food and supplies, and having a conversation with a customer.

I've been in charge of dozens of systems and projects.  You don't know what multitasking is until you're in the middle of an operational multinational coalition forces exercise directly supporting every computer that is critical to the event.  There was no such animal as "call the support number and ask them."  We were the support number!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #941 on: December 16, 2020, 02:13:03 PM »
Now, about that "6 foot (3 feet in parts of Europe)" "social distancing" "following the science" Safety Cult bullshit... and that "gathering size" bullshit...

https://amgreatness.com/2020/04/13/six-feet-under/

Excerpt:

Six Feet Under

There will be plenty of soul searching after this crisis abates: demanding to know the scientific rationale for keeping us six feet apart when people needed each other most should be at the top of the list.

So, precisely what is the science driving this mad world of shuttered public beaches, stormtrooper cops ticketing churchgoers sitting in their own cars, and duct-taped boxes in checkout lines to instruct shoppers where to stand?

It turns out, there is little verifiable evidence to support this government-imposed safe space: The CDC’s COVID-19 guidance portal is disturbingly vague about a policy now fueling the destruction of the U.S. economy and forcing Americans to live under house arrest for the foreseeable future.

And the commonly held fear that a random passerby will infect a stranger? Here’s more grade-school level talk from the CDC: “COVID-19 is thought to spread mainly through close contact from person-to-person in respiratory droplets from someone who is infected. People who are infected often have symptoms of illness. Some people without symptoms may be able to spread the virus.”

Not only would that sort of conclusion warrant a failing grade in any post-doctoral program, I am pretty sure the average eighth-grade science teacher would take a big red pen to that passage. “Thought.” “Some?” “May?” Keep in mind, there are no links to any scientific studies or papers for the average thinking person to review to decide whether those claims are legitimate.

The CDC also can’t quite make up its mind about the safety of large gatherings in the COVID-era. In mid-March, the agency asked Americans to limit gatherings of 250 people or more. A few weeks later, the White House, at the behest of the CDC, urged Americans to avoid gatherings of more than 10 people. There is no science, however, to support either number. (What is so fateful about 250 people? Why not 175? And why 10 people? Why not 16 or 17?)

Even that fuzzy advice has been bastardized by the petty tyrant lurking inside every big state governor, small-town mayor, and homeowners’ association president. Over the weekend, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer banned people from going to a neighbor’s house. “All public and private gatherings of any size are prohibited,” Whitmer announced. “People can still leave the house for outdoor activities . . . recreational activities are still permitted as long as they’re taking place outside of six feet from anyone else.”

So, from where did the “six-feet” rule originate? Apparently, according to a report in the New York Times, the strategy “saved thousands of lives both during the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918 and, more recently, in Mexico City during the 2009 flu pandemic.”

Ah. Good to know the freest people living in the most technologically advanced period in human history are relying on primitive tools employed more than a century ago to try to stop a virus we still know little about.

No doubt scientists are scrambling to justify the rule. A few early studies suggest that contaminated droplets could stay airborne for a few hours and pose a risk. But that research comes with a caveat: “While this research indicates that viral particles can be spread via bioaerosols, the authors stated that finding infectious virus has proven elusive and experiments are ongoing to determine viral activity in collected samples,” wrote Dr. Harvey Fineberg from the National Academies of Science, Engineering, and Medicine earlier this month.

So it’s unclear why Americans are being instructed to heed the six-foot space. But there is something ironic about the distance: Our economy, our rights, our freedoms, and our sense of security are being buried amid this panic. Government decrees make up a figurative graveyard of stolen futures and livelihoods.

And sadly, because of this reckless policy, even those who have succumbed to this painful disease cannot be properly mourned since funerals have been banned. Some died alone without the comfort of a loved one due to the cruelty of the “social distancing” policy.

There will be plenty of soul-searching after this crisis abates: demanding to know the scientific rationale for keeping us six feet apart when people needed each other most should be at the top of the list.


omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #942 on: December 16, 2020, 02:26:16 PM »
Sometimes I wonder what world Puna lives in.  Posting articles how hard it must be to catch covid.  While also ignoring the fact so many people somehow are catching this hard to get virus.   Its spreading somehow...if you are against the 6 foot rule cause its primitive, but also against other measures like masks.  How in the world do you plan to combat this virus?  Or do you just believe everyone should just say fuck it and get infected?

MassConfusion

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #943 on: December 16, 2020, 03:26:57 PM »
Sometimes I wonder what world Puna lives in.  Posting articles how hard it must be to catch covid.  While also ignoring the fact so many people somehow are catching this hard to get virus.   Its spreading somehow...if you are against the 6 foot rule cause its primitive, but also against other measures like masks.  How in the world do you plan to combat this virus?  Or do you just believe everyone should just say fuck it and get infected?
The original intent, at least what you are told, was to 'flatten the curve'.  I don't like people who use coined terms ad nauseum. Lack of independent thought. Anyway flattening was to reduce load on hospitals, which coincidentally never hit peak except on news bites. So none ever said lock downs fight covid, and same was masks. My favorite analogy is, keeping a mosquito out with a chain link fence.
As far as 6 feet goes... Take a big box retail store. Pretend a bottle of water is the store. Add a few drips of food color and swirl. Filtration does little, so what color is the water and how effective is your 6 feet. At least if you are outside you have the wind moving air freely and the sun with all of its UV goodness sterilizing it.
So explain to me why haven't we beat the flu yet?  You can't 'beat' a virus. Lovely primrose path you take there.
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 “The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.” ― Mark Twain

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #944 on: December 16, 2020, 04:09:22 PM »
The original intent, at least what you are told, was to 'flatten the curve'.  I don't like people who use coined terms ad nauseum. Lack of independent thought. Anyway flattening was to reduce load on hospitals, which coincidentally never hit peak except on news bites. So none ever said lock downs fight covid, and same was masks. My favorite analogy is, keeping a mosquito out with a chain link fence.
As far as 6 feet goes... Take a big box retail store. Pretend a bottle of water is the store. Add a few drips of food color and swirl. Filtration does little, so what color is the water and how effective is your 6 feet. At least if you are outside you have the wind moving air freely and the sun with all of its UV goodness sterilizing it.
So explain to me why haven't we beat the flu yet?  You can't 'beat' a virus. Lovely primrose path you take there.

We have no safety measures for the flu. No masks no social distancing, etc.

So basically you are also advocating giving up stopping the virus.  We have not flattened the curve, we did in the past but now hospitals are getting maxed out again. 

This is might be a case of complaints but no solutions. 

« Last Edit: December 16, 2020, 04:35:18 PM by omnigun »

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #945 on: December 16, 2020, 04:23:03 PM »
Sometimes I wonder what world Puna lives in.  Posting articles how hard it must be to catch covid.  While also ignoring the fact so many people somehow are catching this hard to get virus.   Its spreading somehow...if you are against the 6 foot rule cause its primitive, but also against other measures like masks.  How in the world do you plan to combat this virus?  Or do you just believe everyone should just say fuck it and get infected?
You are a first order of magnitude fucking liar.

You'll never understand the world I live in, because it is a fact-based evidence-based world of rationality, logic and critical thinking. Something with which you are obviously totally unfamiliar and will likely forever never be privy to.

Show me any article I posted claiming "how hard it must be to catch covid". Go ahead. Full quote, title, and link. You're full of shit. I suspect you are so stupid you don't even know you are lying.

The current CDC information is that one needs to be within 6 feet of a known infected person for at least 15 minutes in order to have any substantial likelihood of becoming infected. That's why at least 74% of traced transmissions are in homes, where that kind of interaction takes place. How many times have you spent 15 minutes or more within 6 feet of a stranger in a retail store like Target or Home Depot? That's right, never. But follow the "rules", because it's all "follow the science".

Yeah, imagine that, "it's spreading somehow"... just as bad or worse in the states with the strictest "mandates" about lockdowns (aka business bankrupting), highest mask mandate compliance, strictest gathering size mandates, and of course, enforced "social distancing". That's the point you fucking moron. All those graphs show that any and all of those restrictions don't make a bit of difference, thus, they are, ipso facto, useless bullshit delusional imaginings of Safety Cult afficianados overwhelmed by fear-mongering and incapable of rational and logical evaluation of the actual data and evidence.

You can't "combat" the virus. You can somewhat protect the highest at risk groups by providing them with voluntary isolation options, etc. (See The Great Barrington Declaration.) The recovery rate for people under 65 with no comorbidities is 99.97%. I know, you've said you'll do whatever the government tells you to do for that extra .03%... the irony, of course, is, the things the government is telling you to do aren't going to give you any additional protection at all. But you're too stupid to see that fact right in front of you face.

As Alex Berenson put it "Virus gonna virus". If you put every single person on the planet in an individual sterile biocontainment unit for, say, a year, maybe the virus would "die out"... but of course that course of action is impossible... what's also impossible is to "defeat" a virus. No matter what you do, in the real world, not fantasyland, the virus will continue to work it's way through the population until enough of the population has developed immunity to create "herd immunity" (or the virus naturally mutates to a less infectious version), at which point the rates of infection will begin to decrease.

Get a fucking life idiot. I'd write "learn how to think", but that ain't gonna happen.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2020, 04:28:22 PM by punaperson »

MassConfusion

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #946 on: December 16, 2020, 04:23:25 PM »
We have no safety measures for the flu. No masks no social distancing, etc.
Masks are ineffective against viruses, not new.
But we have vaccines and they are the cure all. That is why the companies have zero liability.
Its science.   :geekdanc:
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 “The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.” ― Mark Twain

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #947 on: December 16, 2020, 04:33:03 PM »
The "common cold" is caused by corona viruses.

Some people (especially the extreme elderly, immune compromised, multiple comorbidities) that get common colds develop serious symptoms (pneumonia, etc.) and die.

Therefore, lock it/mask it/distance it/ungathering it all down forever.

If it saves just one life!

Why do you want to kill grandma you selfish bastard?

MassConfusion

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #948 on: December 16, 2020, 05:03:21 PM »
The "common cold" is caused by corona viruses.

Some people (especially the extreme elderly, immune compromised, multiple comorbidities) that get common colds develop serious symptoms (pneumonia, etc.) and die.

Therefore, lock it/mask it/distance it/ungathering it all down forever.

If it saves just one life!

Why do you want to kill grandma you selfish bastard?
See that's the proper emotional response to a non problem. Remember its about how you feel not what's real.  :shake:
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 “The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.” ― Mark Twain

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #949 on: December 16, 2020, 05:04:40 PM »
You can't make this shit up. There are, of course, a substantial percentage of cases where a positive test for SARS-CoV-2 was completely irrelevant to the cause of death (and only 6-8% of all SARS-CoV-2 reported deaths are "caused by SARS-CoV-2 alone"), but this is from yesterday... They've had 5 total deaths "with" THE VIRUS!!!, 2 (40%) were gunshot victims. I bet the overlap between the "gun safety" and "THE VIRUS!! safety" cults is close to 100%.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/12/15/grand-county-covid-deaths/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Grand County Coroner Raises Concern On Gunshot Deaths Among COVID Cases

GRAND COUNTY, Colo. (CBS4) – The Grand County coroner is calling attention to the way the state health department is classifying some deaths. The coroner, Brenda Bock, says two of their five deaths related to COVID-19 were people who died of gunshot wounds.

Bock says because they tested positive for COVID-19 within the past 30 days, they were classified as “deaths among cases.”

“It’s absurd that they would even put that on there,” she said. “Would you want to go to a county that has really high death numbers? Would you want to go visit that county because they are contagious. You know I might get it, and I could die if all of a sudden one county has a high death count. We don’t have it, and we don’t need those numbers inflated.”

The state health department says the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention requires them to report people who’ve died with COVID-19 in their systems because it’s crucial for public health surveillance. [Of course it is!]
« Last Edit: December 16, 2020, 05:32:11 PM by punaperson »

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #950 on: December 16, 2020, 05:42:22 PM »
This is despicable. Fuck all you Safety Cult members!

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #951 on: December 16, 2020, 05:44:45 PM »

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #952 on: December 16, 2020, 05:47:45 PM »
This is despicable. Fuck all you Safety Cult members!

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #953 on: December 16, 2020, 05:53:42 PM »

QUIETShooter

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #954 on: December 16, 2020, 06:00:57 PM »
I smell bullshit with this covid-19 crap.  99.97% recovery rate.  That's all one needs to know.  F*ck all those scary infection numbers.

The way they compute those numbers I wouldn't be surprised they categorize some deaths due to covid just because an infected person farted in the room.

There's another agenda besides health and safety.  It's the only explanation for this insanity.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #955 on: December 16, 2020, 06:13:47 PM »


Alaskan health care worker suffers anaphylactic reaction after getting Pfizer vaccine shot

The middle-aged woman is reportedly doing 'well'

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/alaskan-health-care-worker-suffers-anaphylactic-reaction-pfizer-vaccine

A health care worker in Alaska is reportedly doing "well" and in stable condition after suffering a serious allergic reaction minutes after receiving the new Pfizer Inc. coronavirus vaccine.

The worker, who has been identified as a middle-aged woman, suffered anaphylactic shock and required hospitalization. She remains under monitoring by medical professionals. She will not be receiving the second dose of the two-jab vaccine.  [What?! Then she won't develop immunity... they wasted that precious vaccine for nothing!]

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #956 on: December 16, 2020, 07:28:01 PM »
You are a first order of magnitude fucking liar.

You'll never understand the world I live in, because it is a fact-based evidence-based world of rationality, logic and critical thinking. Something with which you are obviously totally unfamiliar and will likely forever never be privy to.

Show me any article I posted claiming "how hard it must be to catch covid". Go ahead. Full quote, title, and link. You're full of shit. I suspect you are so stupid you don't even know you are lying.

The current CDC information is that one needs to be within 6 feet of a known infected person for at least 15 minutes in order to have any substantial likelihood of becoming infected. That's why at least 74% of traced transmissions are in homes, where that kind of interaction takes place. How many times have you spent 15 minutes or more within 6 feet of a stranger in a retail store like Target or Home Depot? That's right, never. But follow the "rules", because it's all "follow the science".

Yeah, imagine that, "it's spreading somehow"... just as bad or worse in the states with the strictest "mandates" about lockdowns (aka business bankrupting), highest mask mandate compliance, strictest gathering size mandates, and of course, enforced "social distancing". That's the point you fucking moron. All those graphs show that any and all of those restrictions don't make a bit of difference, thus, they are, ipso facto, useless bullshit delusional imaginings of Safety Cult afficianados overwhelmed by fear-mongering and incapable of rational and logical evaluation of the actual data and evidence.

You can't "combat" the virus. You can somewhat protect the highest at risk groups by providing them with voluntary isolation options, etc. (See The Great Barrington Declaration.) The recovery rate for people under 65 with no comorbidities is 99.97%. I know, you've said you'll do whatever the government tells you to do for that extra .03%... the irony, of course, is, the things the government is telling you to do aren't going to give you any additional protection at all. But you're too stupid to see that fact right in front of you face.

As Alex Berenson put it "Virus gonna virus". If you put every single person on the planet in an individual sterile biocontainment unit for, say, a year, maybe the virus would "die out"... but of course that course of action is impossible... what's also impossible is to "defeat" a virus. No matter what you do, in the real world, not fantasyland, the virus will continue to work it's way through the population until enough of the population has developed immunity to create "herd immunity" (or the virus naturally mutates to a less infectious version), at which point the rates of infection will begin to decrease.

Get a fucking life idiot. I'd write "learn how to think", but that ain't gonna happen.


We can argue all day,  but I think I have the fact-based evidence-based world of rationality, logic and critical thinking, but that's all opinions.  So lets move on to the topic.

You just linked a article which was about the 6 foot distance that's how this topic came up.  So far you have listed a lot of pseudo science about how bad every single measure recommended by scientists and experts are bad.  Do you have any better ideas?  You say you can't combat a virus.  .03% death rate is far higher than any other common illness.  Are you saying everyone under 65 should take the chance?  I wouldn't take that chance and I know many who think the same.  I am glad for our government protecting myself and others.  There are many factors that influence the risk and success of our counter measures.  The fact there are others who believe the same as you we can't truly measure the success. There are people working against the "system".  Makes it harder to succeed. Its worked in other countries so you can't tell me its impossible.  Its not like the entire world failed.  A virus is spread in the air.  The more distance you have from someone the less chance you can get infected.  A cough causes droplets.  If you have a barrier less droplets will be in the air.  Its not a large leap in science to come to these conclusions.  And most scientists agree.  There is nothing wrong with taking protective measures.  Every bit helps in this health crisis.  The fact hospitals are maxing out proves its worse than any flu.  Or natural "death rate".  Transmission rate is high and the fact you are downplaying all safety measures doesn't explain that. 15 minutes or more within 6 feet of a stranger is not that easy of a task to do.  This is why we shutdown places this can happen.  This is why you want to limit family gatherings.  Space out the work environment.  Every little thing hopefully adds up to less deaths. 

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #957 on: December 16, 2020, 07:51:02 PM »
not a covid cult member, but i have to ask
if you had an anaphylactic reaction to say, eating rice, would you eat it again?


Alaskan health care worker suffers anaphylactic reaction after getting Pfizer vaccine shot

The middle-aged woman is reportedly doing 'well'

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/alaskan-health-care-worker-suffers-anaphylactic-reaction-pfizer-vaccine

A health care worker in Alaska is reportedly doing "well" and in stable condition after suffering a serious allergic reaction minutes after receiving the new Pfizer Inc. coronavirus vaccine.

The worker, who has been identified as a middle-aged woman, suffered anaphylactic shock and required hospitalization. She remains under monitoring by medical professionals. She will not be receiving the second dose of the two-jab vaccine.  [What?! Then she won't develop immunity... they wasted that precious vaccine for nothing!]

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #958 on: December 16, 2020, 08:08:29 PM »
asian countries are keeping it under control
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/asia-today-korea-marks-deadliest-day-1000-cases-74771435


We can argue all day,  but I think I have the fact-based evidence-based world of rationality, logic and critical thinking, but that's all opinions.  So lets move on to the topic.

You just linked a article which was about the 6 foot distance that's how this topic came up.  So far you have listed a lot of pseudo science about how bad every single measure recommended by scientists and experts are bad.  Do you have any better ideas?  You say you can't combat a virus.  .03% death rate is far higher than any other common illness.  Are you saying everyone under 65 should take the chance?  I wouldn't take that chance and I know many who think the same.  I am glad for our government protecting myself and others.  There are many factors that influence the risk and success of our counter measures.  The fact there are others who believe the same as you we can't truly measure the success. There are people working against the "system".  Makes it harder to succeed. Its worked in other countries so you can't tell me its impossible.  Its not like the entire world failed.  A virus is spread in the air.  The more distance you have from someone the less chance you can get infected.  A cough causes droplets.  If you have a barrier less droplets will be in the air.  Its not a large leap in science to come to these conclusions.  And most scientists agree.  There is nothing wrong with taking protective measures.  Every bit helps in this health crisis.  The fact hospitals are maxing out proves its worse than any flu.  Or natural "death rate".  Transmission rate is high and the fact you are downplaying all safety measures doesn't explain that. 15 minutes or more within 6 feet of a stranger is not that easy of a task to do.  This is why we shutdown places this can happen.  This is why you want to limit family gatherings.  Space out the work environment.  Every little thing hopefully adds up to less deaths.

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #959 on: December 16, 2020, 08:30:16 PM »
Posting articles how hard it must be to catch covid.
You're a fucking lying asshole. I asked you to quote and link to one article I've ever posted that verifies the claim you made. You ignore that because you are a deceptive diverting ignoramus lying piece of shit, and, I never posted any such thing. You fail to mention that (that you are a lying piece of shit who can't back up your claims). On top that failure to support your bullshit you post a bunch of ignorant lies about topics that you obviously have no knowledge of whatsoever. Including you making more absurdly ludicrous remarks about "scientists" and "experts" without apparently having the basic knowledge that there are many highly prestigious peer-review published physicians and professors who directly contradict what you claim. (Who you gonna believe Fauci (who hasn't published any actual research papers in forever) or Harvey Risch a professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health with over 300 peer-reviewed publications over 40 years?) Yeah, you'll choose Fauci because you don't even know anything at all about Risch. Fucking moron. Par for the course. I couldn't care less if you bow down, kneel, bend over, or suck whatever the government tells you to because you're a moronic retard sheeple who couldn't think your way out of a wet paper syllogism, but when you support agents of the state imposing your gullible stupidity on others... fuck you.