The COVID Cult (Read 1791065 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1740 on: January 24, 2021, 09:08:50 PM »
I have seen the reports of this drug. It might just be the most prescribed and used drug in the entire world. It is also one of the cheapest because it is so prevalent throughout the world. Some countries allow it to be sold without a prescription if my memory is correct. So to say it is safe is an understatement and is absolutely the truth. So Tom Fitton gets booted for a week for telling the truth? Why am I not surprised about big tech Twitter censoring people because what they say does not fit the leftist narrative.

Correct, it is available for purchase in some places without a prescription. Its effect on covid19 may be related to it being used as a prophylaxis as opposed to a drug you just take once covid pops up.

As for safety that may be a relative term here, it can have some serious side effects.
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482/hydroxychloroquine-oral/details

Personally I am undecided on HCQ. A lot of the evidence seems to suggest it has no significant effect but a number of 3rd world countries are claiming success as well.  I dob't buy the conspiracy theories of the big bad pharma companies in this instance though, it isn't just America saying HCQ doesn't work for covid.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7505701/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/19/fact-check-no-hydroxychloroquine-doesnt-work-better-abroad/3311483001/

Regardless, I think Twitter and other social media are making things worse by blocking the discussion of HCQ. If they want to put a little blurb linking to a fact check article then oh well but silencing the discussion just moves it underground and just gives ammo to these people.

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1741 on: January 24, 2021, 09:10:14 PM »
Its okay when they do it

Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1742 on: January 25, 2021, 09:13:51 AM »
These lying scumbag Safety Cult members are oblivious to anything resembling truth or transparency or honesty. They are lying hypocrites who randomly change their "mitigation" measures in ways that totally contradict their previous "logic" as applied to some data point or other, then when queried about the obvious contradiction tell you it's too complicated for you to understand, or we have new information but you can't see it because you can't understand it. smh. What a steaming pile of bullshit.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/newsom-lifts-strict-stay-home-order-ca-regions-even-though-covid-cases-higher-order-started-december/

Newsom Lifts Strict Stay-at-Home Order From All CA Regions Even Though Covid Cases Are Higher Than When Order Started in December

It’s a Biden miracle!

California Governor Gavin Newsom (D) lifted the strict regional stay-at-home order from all regions across the state even though Covid cases and deaths are soaring.

The stay at home order is lifted from all regions.

The 7 day average of new cases is higher now than it was in early December when Gavin Newsom imposed the regional lockdowns and curfew.

In December Newsom introduced regional stay-at-home orders which is triggered when ICU capacity falls below 15%.

ICU capacity is still below 15%, Covid cases and deaths are still soaring but Newsom just lifted the lockdown order anyway.

What data is Newsom using to justify opening up California even though Covid is still surging?

Newsom is hiding the key information and said the data is just too complex and would confuse and potentially mislead the public.

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1743 on: January 25, 2021, 09:20:13 AM »
These lying scumbag Safety Cult members are oblivious to anything resembling truth or transparency or honesty. They are lying hypocrites who randomly change their "mitigation" measures in ways that totally contradict their previous "logic" as applied to some data point or other, then when queried about the obvious contradiction tell you it's too complicated for you to understand, or we have new information but you can't see it because you can't understand it. smh. What a steaming pile of bullshit.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/newsom-lifts-strict-stay-home-order-ca-regions-even-though-covid-cases-higher-order-started-december/

Newsom Lifts Strict Stay-at-Home Order From All CA Regions Even Though Covid Cases Are Higher Than When Order Started in December

It’s a Biden miracle!

California Governor Gavin Newsom (D) lifted the strict regional stay-at-home order from all regions across the state even though Covid cases and deaths are soaring.

The stay at home order is lifted from all regions.

The 7 day average of new cases is higher now than it was in early December when Gavin Newsom imposed the regional lockdowns and curfew.

In December Newsom introduced regional stay-at-home orders which is triggered when ICU capacity falls below 15%.

ICU capacity is still below 15%, Covid cases and deaths are still soaring but Newsom just lifted the lockdown order anyway.

What data is Newsom using to justify opening up California even though Covid is still surging?

Newsom is hiding the key information and said the data is just too complex and would confuse and potentially mislead the public.
Of course. We all predicted this is all been political and that Newsom and Cuomo were going to open up their states right after Biden became president. It was foreseeable and predictable. Doesn’t matter if their cases are on the incline. This whole pandemic has been political.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1744 on: January 25, 2021, 10:23:59 AM »
Will Ige ever follow, the world may never know?

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punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1745 on: January 25, 2021, 10:30:43 AM »
For those interested in the "big picture" (which, after all, is what all this CCP virus thing is about) I highly recommend listening to today's first hour of Warroom Pandemic (it's their one year anniversary of changing the title from "impeachement" to "pandemic"... at the time Fauci et al all claiming "nothing to worry about", etc.):

https://rumble.com/vd8z2t-ep-679-1-year-in-review-w-jack-posobiec-kelli-ward-taylor-allred-ocean-andr.html

It includes excerpts from and commentary on Xi's globalist victory speech to the World Economic Forum ("The Great Reset" of Schwab) in Davos today.

astroboy

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1746 on: January 25, 2021, 10:45:05 AM »
Dr. Lee Merrit on the covid 19 virus. I expect efforts will be made to destroy her.




     

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1747 on: January 25, 2021, 10:59:18 AM »
For those interested in the "big picture" (which, after all, is what all this CCP virus thing is about) I highly recommend listening to today's first hour of Warroom Pandemic (it's their one year anniversary of changing the title from "impeachement" to "pandemic"... at the time Fauci et al all claiming "nothing to worry about", etc.):

https://rumble.com/vd8z2t-ep-679-1-year-in-review-w-jack-posobiec-kelli-ward-taylor-allred-ocean-andr.html

It includes excerpts from and commentary on Xi's globalist victory speech to the World Economic Forum ("The Great Reset" of Schwab) in Davos today.
I listened to it today. Stuck inside cuz it’s snowing like crazy today. The stuff they said about Fauci (Mask Karen’s Deity) was just horrendous. To see/hear over time does not give you a real perspective until you hear it summarized all at once.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1748 on: January 25, 2021, 11:23:57 AM »
Dr. Lee Merrit on the covid 19 virus. I expect efforts will be made to destroy her.




   
Okay, so now here's a physician (one of many) asserting that hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, D3, zinc, quercetin, etc. are both effective treatments and effective prophylactics.

Now, when I wrote last week that people should do their own research into those therapeutics someone here claimed that since I'm not a doctor that what I said is "dangerous". It's "dangerous" to do your own research into the overwhelming evidence that those therapeutics work? Why is that? You fucking asshole.

I can't wait to see, now that a "doctor" has said the exact same thing, what the fucking retard will claim is the reason it's still "dangerous". smh.

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1749 on: January 25, 2021, 11:39:22 AM »
Will Ige ever follow, the world may never know?

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He did rejoin HI in the Paris Acord, so you never know.

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1750 on: January 25, 2021, 11:59:31 AM »
Why won't Ige, Green, the State Department of Health, the AG office, or the Hawaii county mayor's office or civil defense tell us what specific data and criteria they are using to maintain and then rescind the so-called "mitigation" measures?

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/01/jon-rappoport/lockdown-extremism-an-obsession-for-the-insane-and-the-fascists/

Lockdown Extremism: An Obsession for the Insane and the Fascists

As my readers know, I’ve spent the last year refuting every so-called COVID fact promoted by public health officials—including the false notion that SARS-CoV-2 has been proven to exist.

In this article, I’m simply showing that devotees of the Cult of COVID are contradicting their own assumptions. For purposes of argument only, we’ll assume the virus exists, spreads rapidly, and causes illness.

If so, lockdowns don’t work.

This is shown by reports from almost every nation in the world. The longer the lockdowns, the greater the number of COVID cases.

The virus is unstoppable. It travels to all corners of the globe at lightning speed.

Conclusion? The only way to achieve herd immunity is to have the whole population of the planet live and work out in the open, fight through the pandemic, and eventually win.

That’s the inference to draw, once you accept the mainstream view of the virus and the pandemic.

But of course, opening up the world is not the conclusion of the experts or the political leaders. They take the opposite view: more lockdowns.

They’re acting against their own “science.”

Why?

Obviously, because they want to imprison populations, destroy lives and economies. Or, at the very least, they’re going along with the people who want to.

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Public officials should be demanding an end to lockdowns.

Dr. Scott Atlas, former White House coronavirus advisor: “We know the lockdowns don’t work, they do not eliminate the virus, we see it all over the world. We have 80% of people in the US wearing masks, we have all these various levels of restrictions on businesses, on in-person schools, and the virus is not eliminated by that.”

Researchers Sunetra Gupta (Oxford University), Jay Bhattacharya (Stanford University), Martin Kildorff (Harvard): “Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health.”

Dr. John Ioannidis, professor of Medicine, Epidemiology and Population Health, and of Biomedical Data Science, and Statistics at Stanford University, responding to a question about laying on lockdowns in Greece: “It would be a devastating mistake to do so and it will run the risk of severely damaging and crippling the country.”

The Lancet, July 21, 2020: “…government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of COVID-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality,”

2006 paper in Biosecurity and Bioterrorism, “Disease Mitigation Measures in the Control of Pandemic Influenza” by Thomas V. Inglesby, Jennifer B. Nuzzo, Tara O’Toole, and D.A. Henderson. The authors conclude: “There are no historical observations or scientific studies that support the confinement by quarantine of groups of possibly infected people for extended periods in order to slow the spread of influenza.”

This is a just a sprinkling of mainstream references from a much larger trove, indicating that lockdowns are harmful and don’t work.

Well, they work when a police state is the goal.

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ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1751 on: January 25, 2021, 12:30:41 PM »
Deeds Not Words

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1752 on: January 25, 2021, 01:13:25 PM »
Okay, so now here's a physician (one of many) asserting that hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, D3, zinc, quercetin, etc. are both effective treatments and effective prophylactics.

Now, when I wrote last week that people should do their own research into those therapeutics someone here claimed that since I'm not a doctor that what I said is "dangerous". It's "dangerous" to do your own research into the overwhelming evidence that those therapeutics work? Why is that? You fucking asshole.

I can't wait to see, now that a "doctor" has said the exact same thing, what the fucking retard will claim is the reason it's still "dangerous". smh.

One Medicine might be good for some people but not all people is that hard to understand?   You are making medical advice while not being a doctor.   Do you go to your local conspiracy theorist for tax advice?  No.   Only a doctor who knows the patients medical history and needs should be recommending treatment.  Don't encourage people to listen to your stupid ideas or ones you/they get from others.  Or to read internet articles on what chemicals to put in their bodies. You remind me of those snake oil sellers on what magic oils you can use to cure cancer or other ailments.  But having a disclaimer. 

robtmc

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1753 on: January 25, 2021, 01:15:13 PM »
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ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1754 on: January 25, 2021, 01:25:53 PM »
must be smoke break at the State's IT HQ
Deeds Not Words

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1755 on: January 25, 2021, 01:38:13 PM »
must be smoke break at the State's IT HQ

or doo doo

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1756 on: January 25, 2021, 01:40:18 PM »
One Medicine might be good for some people but not all people is that hard to understand?   You are making medical advice while not being a doctor.   Do you go to your local conspiracy theorist for tax advice?  No.   Only a doctor who knows the patients medical history and needs should be recommending treatment.  Don't encourage people to listen to your stupid ideas or ones you/they get from others.  Or to read internet articles on what chemicals to put in their bodies. You remind me of those snake oil sellers on what magic oils you can use to cure cancer or other ailments.  But having a disclaimer.

If anyone here has fallen for snake oil sellers, you should send $100 to my PayPal account for tips on how to avoid them.

PM for the address...   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1757 on: January 25, 2021, 01:48:07 PM »
Correct, it is available for purchase in some places without a prescription. Its effect on covid19 may be related to it being used as a prophylaxis as opposed to a drug you just take once covid pops up.

As for safety that may be a relative term here, it can have some serious side effects.
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482/hydroxychloroquine-oral/details

Personally I am undecided on HCQ. A lot of the evidence seems to suggest it has no significant effect but a number of 3rd world countries are claiming success as well.  I dob't buy the conspiracy theories of the big bad pharma companies in this instance though, it isn't just America saying HCQ doesn't work for covid.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7505701/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/19/fact-check-no-hydroxychloroquine-doesnt-work-better-abroad/3311483001/

Regardless, I think Twitter and other social media are making things worse by blocking the discussion of HCQ. If they want to put a little blurb linking to a fact check article then oh well but silencing the discussion just moves it underground and just gives ammo to these people.

Early on almost every country used the HCQ stack for treatment for months. Japan was 1 that didn't.  Daniel Dae Kim got it and felt better the next day. Same with Tom and Rita Hanks. So HCQ is effective, but it's been political because pharma can't make as much money on it since many companies make it.  Instead they want to make a new product that they hold a patent to and can control.  We will never know how many people could have been saved if not for politics.  And how many people spread the virus in NV due to their governors order to not allow it to be consumed outside of a hospital.  Which means a sick person who needs HCQ would have to driver, uber, bus to the hospital for their dosage.

The link you posted is garbage and so will any link that pretty much has the line "fact check" in it.  Not only for HCQ topics, but pretty much anything Trump related.  I first began to doubt "fact check" sites when I had a question on 2 Hawaiian topics. This was maybe 7 years ago or so.  After asking kupuna, Hawaiian history majors/teachers, I found that twice fact check was wrong about the 2 separate topics.

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1758 on: January 25, 2021, 01:49:21 PM »
must be smoke break at the State's IT HQ

Or people wonder why it takes 3 hours to reset a password.

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #1759 on: January 25, 2021, 03:54:13 PM »
One Medicine might be good for some people but not all people is that hard to understand?   

**** Goddamn you are one fucking stupid asshole. You mean like one vaccine might be good for some people but not all people? That's your position on the vaccines, right? What the fuck are you talking about? Every substance put into the body can have "side effects"... reading the insert on any prescription medication demonstrates that. You have no evidence that the substances mentioned above by just one of the thousands of physicians who recommend those therapeutics for treatment and prophylaxis are any more dangerous to any higher percentage of the general population that anything else, including your touted vaccines. Shut up you ignorant moron.

You are making medical advice while not being a doctor.   

**** You're a stupid fucking liar. Show me the sentences where I was "making medical advice". The post you are responding was specifically one in which a "doctor" gave specifically the same information that I gave. Information is not advice. Advice includes some form of advocacy for the stated information. I specifically said "do your own research". I earlier linked to an article about the 193 published studies showing the hydroxychloroquine w/w/out a systemic antibiotic and zinc has proved to be a safe and effective treatment/prophylaxis for SARS-CoV-2 viral infections.

Do you go to your local conspiracy theorist for tax advice?  No.   

**** That's a totally nonsensical analogy... and any analogy would be outright wrong since I never gave medical advice and the post you are referring to was one in which a doctor presented the same information. You're supposed to tell us why, now that your vaunted category of acceptable knowledge provider, a doctor, said the same thing, it's still not valid, you dumb fucking moron. What, the wrong kind of doctor, or what you dumb shit?

Only a doctor who knows the patients medical history and needs should be recommending treatment.

**** Really? You think all those people that show up for vaccinations have an extensive medical history done prior to receiving the vaccine? In most cases I've witnessed there aren't even physicians present. You're full of shit and ignorant.

 Don't encourage people to listen to your stupid ideas or ones you/they get from others. 

**** I can encourage anyone to do anything, and there's not a thing you can do about it, apparently except to make more idiotic statements. I encourage people to read the actual published studies on the safety and efficacy of the therapeutics as stated by the physician in the video (and thousands of other physicians, based upon the clear and convincing published evidence).

Or to read internet articles on what chemicals to put in their bodies. You remind me of those snake oil sellers on what magic oils you can use to cure cancer or other ailments.  But having a disclaimer.

**** Why do you keep referring to me? The comment you are commenting on was about a physician providing that information. A "doctor" in your preferred vocabulary. You're totally full of shit. What difference does it make if it's on "the internet"? You do know that medical journals with peer reviewed articles (at least 193 substantiating the safety and efficacy of hydroxy, azithro, zinc, etc.) are "on the internet", right? You're dumber than a fucking rock. What  "snake oil sellers" have more than 193 peer reviewed medical journal articles supporting the safety and efficacy of their product? Hard to believe you are as fucking stupid as you are... but there you are... time after time after time... and why I never read your abysmal stupidity except when someone responds and I then see the depths to which human ignorance can fall.