The COVID Cult (Read 1796646 times)

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3180 on: April 08, 2021, 10:50:46 AM »
Nietzsche? Kierkegaard? Emerson? Becker? Are they on zuckerbucks and tweeter?

Better buy their books now. Amazon will probably cancel them soon.
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3181 on: April 08, 2021, 02:20:05 PM »
Tom Woods today, including comments re the youtube banned science and public policy roundtable discussion with governor DeSantis of Florida.

Yes, yes, I know there is life beyond COVID.

But it has planted the seeds for so much destruction and evil that I feel compelled to cover it consistently (if not exclusively).

However:

Yesterday on the Tom Woods Show I spoke to the great Saifedean Ammous, who is an expert on Bitcoin and also an outstanding economist of the Austrian School. We covered lots of important ground and answered a lot of your key questions about Bitcoin.

So yes, the old man here can talk about other things. And indeed I have been for the past year.

But man, it's hard not to keep coming back to COVID.

Today we read this from The Today Show: "Some states with stricter rules are now seeing surges in COVID-19 cases, while many others that rushed to reopen are experiencing sizable drops. The numbers have experts scratching their heads."

Imagine that.

And imagine it taking more than a full year for them to notice this.

And further imagine consulting only the "experts" who are "scratching their heads."

Any chance there might be worthier people to be talking to, Today Show?

Speaking of worthier people: YouTube keeps banning them.

Florida governor Ron DeSantis recently held a roundtable discussion with Sunetra Gupta of Oxford, Martin Kulldorff of Harvard, and Stanford's Scott Atlas and Jay Bhattacharya (the latter of whom I'll be speaking to on the Tom Woods Show again late next week).

YouTube evidently decided that it's best for roundtables featuring experts who are advising a major U.S. governor to be kept secret, because they took the video down.

According to the Wall Street Journal's editorial page:

In the hour-and-forty-five minute video, Mr. DeSantis and the four panelists lambaste the U.S. coronavirus response as excessively draconian and ineffective. They emphasize unintended public-health harms from lockdowns and school closures, criticize mask mandates and generally celebrate Florida’s response....

YouTube told us Thursday in a statement that it removed the video “because it included content that contradicts the consensus of local and global health authorities regarding the efficacy of masks to prevent the spread of COVID-19.”

As an example, YouTube points to a video passage where Gov. DeSantis asks one panelist, Harvard biostatistician Martin Kulldorff, whether children need to wear masks, and Mr. Kulldorff says no. Dr. Jay Battacharya of Stanford adds that masking for children is “developmentally inappropriate.” Gov. DeSantis notes, accurately, that “if we went back a year, a lot of the experts would say that wearing masks for the general public is not evidence-based.”


And of course that's true. That is flat-out true. Even now, after a year's worth of propaganda, the World Health Organization itself can muster only this: “At present there is only limited and inconsistent scientific evidence to support the effectiveness of masking of healthy people in the community to prevent infection with respiratory viruses, including SARS-CoV-2.”

That's the World Health Organization! Did you realize its support for universal masking was so timid? I'll bet you didn't. That's because nobody is telling you.

According to YouTube, the progress of science occurs when certain ideas become unchallengeable orthodoxies, even when they were directly contradicted in the very recent past and even when one of their own authorities admits the evidence for one such orthodoxy is "limited and inconsistent."

Facebook hasn't been much better, as we all know.

These behemoths have gone out of their way to ensure that the Fauci line is consistently protected no matter how many times its predictions fail to come true.

This is why I yanked my private group off Facebook. I could see the writing on the wall.

If you want to tell the truth on a consistent basis, you cannot rely on these platforms.

Inspector

SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3183 on: April 09, 2021, 02:39:37 AM »
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3184 on: April 09, 2021, 07:41:18 AM »
This article is in general about the lack of evidence for the public health policy "mitigation measures mandates" and why they are wrong and what could and should have been done instead, based upon long known and new actual scientific data. There is a long section on the dangers of masks, some of which is new data based upon the level of microplastic fibers inhaled by frequent and prolonged wearing of masks containing that substance. Here I excerpt a more general statement about a couple of the "nonsensical, illogical, specious, and patently absurd" pronouncements of the "public health experts" (Fauci, CDC, et al) worshipped by the SAFETY CULT know-nothing morons.

https://www.aier.org/article/the-dangers-of-masks/

The Dangers of Masks

We just saw the bizarre and troubling change by the CDC that social distancing for kids no longer required 6 feet and now can be 3 feet but not when in the company of teachers. Outrageous is the fact that the 6-feet rule was arbitrary and based on no underpinning science in the first place. It’s as if the virus floats around and makes these distance adjustments.

What about when one day the CDC Director says vaccinated persons do not carry the virus to then reverse the next day? Even Dr. Fauci went against the CDC. So who is telling the nation the truth on any given matter? What are we to believe? We are told you should vaccinate with a vaccine that does not have the requisite safety assessment (another serious matter that is being swept aside), and then you still must wear a mask and socially distance. It makes no sense.

It is all nonsensical, illogical, specious, and patently absurd some of what these agencies and experts spew to us all day long. Many of it is just plain wrong. We urge you to think this through carefully. Any available evidence must be considered when the health of the citizenry is at stake. Minor risks can turn into major disasters, like cracks in a dam.

aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3185 on: April 09, 2021, 08:11:20 AM »
First They Came For The Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Martin Niemoller

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3186 on: April 09, 2021, 08:32:39 AM »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3187 on: April 09, 2021, 10:29:19 AM »
Covid fakenews spreading from Idiots in America to the world

https://www.mcgill.ca/newsroom/channels/news/americans-are-super-spreaders-covid-19-misinformation-330229

Yet, the article doesn't include one single example of what they label misinformation, fake news, false beliefs, conspiracy theories, poorly sourced medical advice, etc.  The closet they came to naming a specific case was "denialism and anti-vaccination attitudes", which are subjective characterizations, not facts.

The way the article is written, they could just as easily be talking about Dr. Fauci or Joe Biden pushing false information.

At best, they are saying, "We can't control what Canadians are reading and watching from the US, and that makes controlling the information we want them to have difficult."

How do you know YOU'RE not parroting the misinformation they are talking about?

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3188 on: April 09, 2021, 11:40:11 AM »


How do you know YOU'RE not parroting the misinformation they are talking about?

Burn :worship:

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3189 on: April 09, 2021, 11:58:45 AM »
Yet, the article doesn't include one single example of what they label misinformation, fake news, false beliefs, conspiracy theories, poorly sourced medical advice, etc.  The closet they came to naming a specific case was "denialism and anti-vaccination attitudes", which are subjective characterizations, not facts.

The way the article is written, they could just as easily be talking about Dr. Fauci or Joe Biden pushing false information.

At best, they are saying, "We can't control what Canadians are reading and watching from the US, and that makes controlling the information we want them to have difficult."

How do you know YOU'RE not parroting the misinformation they are talking about?

 "denialism and anti-vaccination attitudes"

Obviously its not too hard to infer what they are talking about and which "fakenews" they are discussing.  Many tin foil conspiracy's and false vaccine info.

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3190 on: April 09, 2021, 12:19:26 PM »
"Trust the people who lie about literally everything or else you are a bad person."

Not the most convincing argument I ever heard
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3191 on: April 09, 2021, 12:28:50 PM »
"Trust the people who lie about literally everything or else you are a bad person."

Not the most convincing argument I ever heard
Yet it is the same one I hear from the main stream media over and over again. They are terrified of the truth.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3192 on: April 09, 2021, 02:11:19 PM »
"denialism and anti-vaccination attitudes"

Obviously its not too hard to infer what they are talking about and which "fakenews" they are discussing.  Many tin foil conspiracy's and false vaccine info.

Show me where fact is ever based on inference.

Inference is the first step in discovering what's true.  You must then take steps to determine if that inference is true or false.

So far, you haven't made it past the first step, most likely because it validates your beliefs.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3193 on: April 09, 2021, 02:24:28 PM »
"Trust the people who lie about literally everything or else you are a bad person."

Not the most convincing argument I ever heard

Worked for Trump,  he lied the most.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3194 on: April 09, 2021, 02:25:43 PM »
Show me where fact is ever based on inference.

Inference is the first step in discovering what's true.  You must then take steps to determine if that inference is true or false.

So far, you haven't made it past the first step, most likely because it validates your beliefs.

I am not retired, I am not going to do your homework for you.   Not going to go on twitter and find millions of examples of fakenews to show you....

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3195 on: April 09, 2021, 02:41:08 PM »
I am not retired, I am not going to do your homework for you.   Not going to go on twitter and find millions of examples of fakenews to show you....

Your homework, not mine.

You made a comment that it was OBVIOUS, based on inference, what the article was stating.  I don't see anything in the article that supports your assumptions.  Could go either way.

It's on YOU to prove me wrong.  I've already made my case.

You beliefs, deductions and interpretations are not supporting data.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Brystont1

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3196 on: April 09, 2021, 02:43:48 PM »
I am not retired, I am not going to do your homework for you.   Not going to go on twitter and find millions of examples of fakenews to show you....

Bruh, that’s the whole point of posting an article lol. The facts are supposed to be compiled neatly in there for everyone to read. Yet yours has none and your now being called out on it. Find a better article  :thumbsup:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3197 on: April 09, 2021, 02:45:31 PM »
Bruh, that’s the whole point of posting an article lol. The facts are supposed to be compiled neatly in there for everyone to read. Yet yours has none and your now being called out on it. Find a better article  :thumbsup:

He can't see past his need to be right all the time.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3198 on: April 09, 2021, 03:02:51 PM »
The Russians must have stolen the evidence

Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3199 on: April 09, 2021, 03:04:59 PM »
Bruh, that’s the whole point of posting an article lol. The facts are supposed to be compiled neatly in there for everyone to read. Yet yours has none and your now being called out on it. Find a better article  :thumbsup:

https://blog.petrieflom.law.harvard.edu/2021/01/20/covid-19-vaccine-misinformation-anti-vaccine-movement/

https://www.focusonreproduction.eu/article/News-in-Reproduction-COVID-19-Vaccine

https://www.news10.com/news/coronavirus/covid-vaccine-fake-news-and-conspiracy-theories/

Google is a magical place.  I was merely adding to the discussion, not presenting a research paper on the subject.