The COVID Cult (Read 1797526 times)

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3340 on: April 14, 2021, 12:22:28 PM »
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/16788-blood-clotting-disorders-hypercoagulable-states#:~:text=Hypercoagulable%20states%20are%20usually%20genetic,tendency%20to%20form%20blood%20clots.

Please explain any alternative way someone could get these blood clots without it being genetic.  If millions have no issues and the vaccine does not change ingredients.

that article does not talk about this specific vaccine and the two associated conditions
you have said nothing to prove that SVT with thrombocytopenia after the J&J vaccine is genetic
YOU made the claim, i DO NOT have to explain the alternative way

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3341 on: April 14, 2021, 01:13:21 PM »
someone is pretending to be a medical Dr and it isnt the dentist...
Deeds Not Words

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3342 on: April 14, 2021, 01:13:56 PM »

A few more details on the Fauci connection to U.S. taxpayers funding gain of function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology after such research was banned in the United States as "too dangerous".

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/13/is-dr-fauci-the-father-of-the-pandemic/

Is Dr. Fauci the 'Father of the Pandemic?'
Dr. Fauci's NIH funneled American taxpayer dollars -- some $7 million -- into the Wuhan Lab


By Peter Navarro - - Tuesday, April 13, 2021

The former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Dr. Robert Redfield, believes the SARS-CoV-2 virus originated in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

If Dr. Redfield is correct — and he almost certainly is — then Dr. Anthony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health must assume significant responsibility for a global pandemic that has killed over half-a-million Americans, kicked tens of millions of Americans to the unemployment curb and drained trillions of dollars of wealth from the American economy.

SARS-CoV-2 first emerged in the fall of 2019 within several kilometers of both a Wuhan, China, wet market and the Wuhan Lab. The “wet market” theory postulates the virus jumped from an animal to humans as the infected animal was being butchered, cooked and consumed. Alternatively, the “Wuhan Lab” theory postulates the virus escaped from the lab.

The wet market theory has recent historical precedent. China’s first SARS virus, SARS-CoV-1, was quickly tracked to an almost identical virus found in raccoon dogs and Himalayan palm civet cats eaten in wet markets.

Yet after testing thousands of animals, no virologist has found a similar “direct progenitor” of China’s second SARS virus. It is therefore extremely unlikely SARS-CoV-2 came from the Wuhan wet market. That leaves the competing Wuhan Lab theory.

With a biosafety rating of “P4,” the Wuhan Virology Lab houses the most dangerous pathogens on Earth, including the deadly Ebola. However, no P4 lab is ever 100% secure as there are numerous examples of pathogens escaping.

An accidental release of SARS-CoV-2 from the Wuhan Lab is therefore well within reason. This is particularly plausible given a U.S. State Department 2018 warning of sloppy safety precautions at the Wuhan Lab and the possibility of a “new SARS-like pandemic.” (You can’t say we weren’t warned.)

There is also the logic of Occam’s razor: If a deadly virus pops up within several kilometers of the only bio-weapons lab in Asia, the simplest explanation, according to Occam’s razor, is usually the right one. Ergo, SARS-CoV-2 came from the Wuhan Lab.

Then there is this: SARS-CoV-2 most closely resembles viruses that have been found in horseshoe bats; and the Wuhan Lab has an extensive collection of these rare and novel viruses. Adding fuel to this bat cave fire, many of these viruses were brought to Wuhan by China’s so-called Bat Lady Shi Zhengli. Before she was effectively muzzled by the Chinese government, Ms. Shi expressed concerns that the virus may have leaked from her lab.

As to whether SARS-CoV-2 was genetically engineered, it is here where Dr. Fauci enters this dangerous picture: In 2017, without sufficient warning to the Trump White House, Dr, Fauci and his NIH colleague Dr. Francis Collins re-authorized the use of so-called gain-of-function research inside China’s Wuhan Lab.

Gain-of-function is a genetic engineering tool that improves the ability of a virus to cause disease. In pushing for gain-of-function, Dr. Fauci and Dr. Collins unilaterally overturned a 2014 decision by the Obama White House to restrict such experiments because of their inherent dangers.

In fact, SARS-CoV-2 exhibits several highly unusual functional characteristics that suggest the virus has been genetically engineered. For example, unlike SARS-CoV-1 and most other viruses, SARS-CoV-2 is characterized by a high degree of “asymptomatic spread.” This makes the virus far more contagious — and therefore far more deadly.

The high degree of asymmetric spread — along with the rapid and deadly mutations of the virus we are now observing — suggest the possibility of a weaponized virus. Here, the U.S. State Department has revealed that the Wuhan Lab has engaged in research on behalf of the People’s Liberation Army since 2017 — the same year Dr. Fauci and Dr. Collins approved gain-of-function research in Wuhan.

The last piece of this “Fauci as the Father of the Pandemic” puzzle is this: Dr. Fauci’s NIH funneled American taxpayer dollars — some $7 million — into the Wuhan Lab through a shadowy figure named Peter Dasak. Mr. Dasak, himself, bragged about genetically engineering viruses at the Wuhan Lab prior to the pandemic.

If Dr. Redfield and Occam’s razor are right that the Wuhan Lab spawned SARS-CoV-2, history will judge the Chinese Communist Party and Dr. Fauci to be two of, if not the strangest, then certainly most deadly of bedfellows in history. For it was Dr. Fauci — and these facts are not in dispute — that provided the Wuhan Lab with both the funding and the green light for gain-of-function experiments. This is a congressional investigation waiting to happen.

• Peter Navarro served as an assistant to the president during the Trump administration.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3343 on: April 14, 2021, 01:48:11 PM »
that article does not talk about this specific vaccine and the two associated conditions
you have said nothing to prove that SVT with thrombocytopenia after the J&J vaccine is genetic
YOU made the claim, i DO NOT have to explain the alternative way

True,  I will wait till the final result.  A study showing exactly with the specific J&J vaccine.   But I can say there is a high chance its genetic.  There are no other explanations that are reasonable otherwise.

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3344 on: April 14, 2021, 01:59:31 PM »
True,  I will wait till the final result.  A study showing exactly with the specific J&J vaccine.   But I can say there is a high chance its genetic.  There are no other explanations that are reasonable otherwise.

that's not what you said originally
you say things as fact when they are not
but at least you are not wrong...

punaperson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3345 on: April 14, 2021, 02:00:44 PM »
Even if such a ruling were acquired in Hawaii, the fascist authoritarian statist legislature would immediately pass such laws as necessary in order to provide SAFETY!!!

The lawsuits here are dragging on and on and on... Ige won't even be in office by the time the suits get ruled upon. smh. Absurd. Not to mention that with the extreme fascist bias of the courts here, the cases will lose anyway. Lucky we live Hawaii!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/wisconsin-supreme-court-rules-democrat-governor-tony-evers-not-authority-limit-business-capacity/

Wisconsin Supreme Court Rules Democrat Governor Tony Evers Does Not Have Authority to Limit Business Capacity

The conservative-leaning Wisconsin Supreme court on Wednesday ruled Democrat Governor Tony Evers cannot limit business capacity without approval from the state legislature.

This is the second time in recent weeks that the Wisconsin Supreme Court has ruled that Evers violated the law by circumventing the state legislature.

In late March, the state supreme court struck down Tony Evers’ statewide mask mandate.

There is no statewide capacity restriction currently in place because a state appeals court blocked Evers’ latest Covid order limiting indoor gatherings to 25% of a building’s occupancy in October of last year.

The Wisconsin high court on Wednesday ruled 4-3 on party line that Evers’ order meets the definition of a rule and according to the law it must go through the legislature.

ABC News reported:

The Wisconsin Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that Gov. Tony Evers’ administration does not have the authority to issue capacity limits on bars, restaurants and other businesses without the Legislature’s approval, a ruling that comes two weeks after the conservative-controlled court struck down the state’s mask mandate.

The Supreme Court ruled 4-3 on Wednesday that the order issued by Evers’ Department of Health Services meets the definition of a rule, which by law must go through the Legislature. The court’s four conservative justices ruled against Evers, while three liberals dissented.

The case was brought by the Mix-Up Bar in Amery and Pro-Life Wisconsin, a group that opposes abortion rights. They argued that the court’s 2020 ruling blocking the governor’s safer at home order set a precedent that requires such moves to be approved by the Legislature.

Although Wednesday’s ruling was a win for small businesses, there are still local ordinances in place that put a cap on how many people can gather indoors.

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3346 on: April 14, 2021, 02:03:42 PM »
Same shit with astrazeneca.  A few people get blood clots.  More people die from covid.  Test for the genetic issue with the blood clots and don't give it to them.  The risks are still extremely small.  Perhaps lower than 1 in a million.

you realize that it's NOT less than one in a million
not even perhaps
there were 6 cases, and now two more are likely
7 million doses were given TO DATE of J & J
the problems show up 8 to 13 days (estimated) AFTER the shot
so you have to go by how many J&Js were given 14 days ago, which is likely only 3-4 million
but since you said perhaps, you aren't wrong...

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3347 on: April 14, 2021, 02:18:39 PM »
Two days ago it was 100% safe and anyone who had questions or issues was a racist knuckle dragging conspiracy theorist.

Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3348 on: April 14, 2021, 02:23:21 PM »
Deeds Not Words

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3349 on: April 14, 2021, 02:45:05 PM »
you realize that it's NOT less than one in a million
not even perhaps
there were 6 cases, and now two more are likely
7 million doses were given TO DATE of J & J
the problems show up 8 to 13 days (estimated) AFTER the shot
so you have to go by how many J&Js were given 14 days ago, which is likely only 3-4 million
but since you said perhaps, you aren't wrong...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wchstv.com/amp/news/local/health-experts-one-in-a-million-chance-of-getting-blood-clots-from-covid-vaccine

Saw several articles that gave that figure. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3350 on: April 14, 2021, 02:50:02 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wchstv.com/amp/news/local/health-experts-one-in-a-million-chance-of-getting-blood-clots-from-covid-vaccine

Saw several articles that gave that figure.

That's based on identified cases to date.

The rate may be much higher if everyone were to be vaccinated.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3351 on: April 14, 2021, 02:51:13 PM »
That's based on identified cases to date.

The rate may be much higher if everyone were to be vaccinated.

So 100 people if 100million got vaccinated. More people die than that in one hour from covid. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3352 on: April 14, 2021, 02:57:33 PM »
So 100 people if 100million got vaccinated. More people die than that in one hour from covid.

 :sleeping:

You seem to be okay with people dying.  What if YOU were one of the clotting cases?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3353 on: April 14, 2021, 03:34:46 PM »
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wchstv.com/amp/news/local/health-experts-one-in-a-million-chance-of-getting-blood-clots-from-covid-vaccine

Saw several articles that gave that figure.

you rather repeat fake news than listen to simple logic?
and you think that we are conspiracy theorists?

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3354 on: April 14, 2021, 03:39:46 PM »
So 100 people if 100million got vaccinated. More people die than that in one hour from covid.

do you even know what the reporting system is called?
VAERS
the first letter stands for VOLUNTARY
and there is a huge backlog of reports waiting to be input
that is part of the reason for the pause, so they can figure out whether it is 6, 60, 600, or 6000, or 60000
the symptoms take 8-13 days and then there is delay in publishing to the VOLUNTARY database
but hey, you "saw several articles" so you aren't wrong on your "perhaps 1 in a million"...

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3355 on: April 14, 2021, 03:43:29 PM »
:sleeping:

You seem to be okay with people dying.  What if YOU were one of the clotting cases?

Then I would get tested if there was a genetic test.  But I took the risk getting the vaccine already for both myself and for the sake for others.  I was an early tester for the vaccine.

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3356 on: April 14, 2021, 03:44:32 PM »
Something is not right. There is no way they would pull the vaccine over 6 people.
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3357 on: April 14, 2021, 03:50:17 PM »
do you even know what the reporting system is called?
VAERS
the first letter stands for VOLUNTARY
and there is a huge backlog of reports waiting to be input
that is part of the reason for the pause, so they can figure out whether it is 6, 60, 600, or 6000, or 60000
the symptoms take 8-13 days and then there is delay in publishing to the VOLUNTARY database
but hey, you "saw several articles" so you aren't wrong on your "perhaps 1 in a million"...

I could be wrong.  Nor did I track every single shot administered.  I am going off things I've read.  I didn't go and verify every single case even if it was 1 in 500,000.  That's still very rare.   So for the same with the European delay. They have not found to my knowledge a mass issue. 

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3358 on: April 14, 2021, 03:52:18 PM »
you rather repeat fake news than listen to simple logic?
and you think that we are conspiracy theorists?

How would it be fake news?  With current facts and estimates based on science we have the current information. If that changes, the news changes with it.  No conspiracy.  No fake news.

https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/13/u-s-urges-pause-on-use-of-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-after-rare-blood-clotting-cases/

6.8 million doses administered.  6 people had clots that we know of so far.  1 in 1 million chances with current information is 100% accurate.

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3359 on: April 14, 2021, 03:54:43 PM »
someone said there was a shotgun for sale...fake?
Deeds Not Words