The COVID Cult (Read 1797857 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3500 on: April 19, 2021, 12:33:47 PM »
Obviously as I previously mentioned the two main types, condoms and birth control.  We will be using those as a baseline. Combined its over 99%.  You are correct I can't find that exact number anymore, maybe it changed since I was in middle school. 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/contraception/how-effective-contraception/

I would stand to say masks and other means are still employed because you don't know who has the vaccine and who doesnt, with all that hate on passports.  If everyone is vaccinated masks etc are not needed, as recently proven with science.  But since you are not psychic you must enforce the protocols on everyone.

The statistical effectiveness of contraceptive methods has NEVER CHANGED.  It's been the same, give or take 0-2 percentage points, since I was in 7th grade in the 1970s!  Condoms have ALWAYS been less than 90% effective, because they break, they have manufacturing defects, they lose resistance to tearing due to age, heat, etc, and people can cause them to fail by incorrect use. 

Don't try to lie YET AGAIN by making up some stupid "the numbers changed since I was in school" bullshit.

You're really pathetic.  First, you can't come up with a source for your first lie, then you lie about the facts "changing" -- also without any proof at all.

Just stop!  Admit you don't know what you're talking about, that you lied, and then you lied again to cover up for lying.

You're just so obvious.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3501 on: April 19, 2021, 12:34:13 PM »
Answering my question with questions .... how evasive can you get?

Passports are NOT the issue (again).  Your additional questions about buying booze driver licenses are just as unrelated.

I'm not talking about fascist methods to ensure 100% compliance.  I'm asking about WHY we need 100% compliance from YOUR PERSPECTIVE.

Answer the question!

"Why do YOU need to trust that I have had the vaccine?  Are you not vaccinated?  Or are you one of the liars you were mentioning?"

If the vaccine protects you from ME, then why are you worried about me getting vaccinated?

I'd help you out with an analogy, but everything I come up with makes absolutely no sense.  Like, would you buy airline flight insurance on your life if the government already provides you a $25M life insurance policy at birth?

Public health is a national security issue.  Its why we have laws, laws that protect the population.  Like requiring people be certain ages to do or buy things.  Its why we have laws against murdering or driving drunk....its why you can't smoke indoors.   You know protecting others around you...at the horror expense of yourself...

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3502 on: April 19, 2021, 12:35:11 PM »
As its not approved for children that would be pretty hard to get them vaxxed....

you were saying what i said was incorrect, but it is not
the "experts" have been saying that we need to cover everyone for herd immunity to take effect, not adults
nice job trying to deflect from you "literally saying i was wrong"...

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3503 on: April 19, 2021, 12:36:04 PM »
The statistical effectiveness of contraceptive methods has NEVER CHANGED.  It's been the same, give or take 0-2 percentage points, since I was in 7th grade in the 1970s!  Condoms have ALWAYS been less than 90% effective, because they break, they have manufacturing defects, they lose resistance to tearing due to age, heat, etc, and people can cause them to fail by incorrect use. 

Don't try to lie YET AGAIN by making up some stupid "the numbers changed since I was in school" bullshit.

You're really pathetic.  First, you can't come up with a source for your first lie, then you lie about the facts "changing" -- also without any proof at all.

Just stop!  Admit you don't know what you're talking about, that you lied, and then you lied again to cover up for lying.

You're just so obvious.

Birth Control.  Includes pills.  Never had I said only condoms prevent pregnancy.  Alot has evolved since when you were young. 

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3504 on: April 19, 2021, 12:36:47 PM »
Public health is a national security issue.  Its why we have laws, laws that protect the population.  Like requiring people be certain ages to do or buy things.  Its why we have laws against murdering or driving drunk....its why you can't smoke indoors.   You know protecting others around you...at the horror expense of yourself...

i don't think you understand what "national security" means...

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3505 on: April 19, 2021, 12:37:57 PM »
you were saying what i said was incorrect, but it is not
the "experts" have been saying that we need to cover everyone for herd immunity to take effect, not adults
nice job trying to deflect from you "literally saying i was wrong"...

Impossible task to vaccinate those not approved for vaccination.  Make the kids wear masks then.  That would logically work in addition to requiring vaccinated adults have some sort of identification. 

drck1000

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3506 on: April 19, 2021, 12:38:11 PM »
i don't think you understand what "national security" means...
as long as masses feel safe, right?  Same same for gun control.

That some don't see parallels with 2a is :facepalm:

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3507 on: April 19, 2021, 12:38:41 PM »
i don't think you understand what "national security" means...

A Chinese virus that harms the populations health sure is national security.  Especially when it kills more of your citizens than many previous wars.

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3508 on: April 19, 2021, 12:38:55 PM »
I literally said I was incorrect, you wanted to see where I said I was wrong....idk how much more clear I can get.  I couldn't find documented proof of the exact number.  Which is in 99.X area.

you literally said you couldn't find the number, not that you were wrong...

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3509 on: April 19, 2021, 12:39:48 PM »
A Chinese virus that harms the populations health sure is national security.  Especially when it kills more of your citizens than many previous wars.

please show me where you said "chinese virus"...

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3510 on: April 19, 2021, 12:40:35 PM »
as long as masses feel safe, right?  Same same for gun control.

That some don't see parallels with 2a is :facepalm:

If guns killed people randomly by just existing I could see a parallel.  But no.  Guns have requirements to own, laws on use etc.  Much like masks.  They require a willful person to do harm, unlike a virus.  With proper use there are no accidental deaths with guns.

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3511 on: April 19, 2021, 12:40:49 PM »
Impossible task to vaccinate those not approved for vaccination.  Make the kids wear masks then.  That would logically work in addition to requiring non vaccinated adults via some sort of identification.

so now you are saying non-vaccinated people need to have documents?

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3512 on: April 19, 2021, 12:41:39 PM »
please show me where you said "chinese virus"...

In the literal quote you quoted....

Doesn't matter origin.  Could be Africa, its still a virus that threatens your population.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3513 on: April 19, 2021, 12:43:28 PM »
so now you are saying non-vaccinated people need to have documents?

Fixed,  miswrote, replying too quickly.  I only advocate vaccinated people have documents.  Though if you don't have documents obviously you could be considered non vaccinated.

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3514 on: April 19, 2021, 12:46:07 PM »
Fixed,  miswrote, replying too quickly.  I only advocate vaccinated people have documents.  Though if you don't have documents obviously you could be considered non vaccinated.

but you literally weren't wrong...

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3515 on: April 19, 2021, 12:47:39 PM »
In the literal quote you quoted....

Doesn't matter origin.  Could be Africa, its still a virus that threatens your population.

really?
in the literal quote?

Quote from: omnigun on Today at 12:34:13 PM
Public health is a national security issue.  Its why we have laws, laws that protect the population.  Like requiring people be certain ages to do or buy things.  Its why we have laws against murdering or driving drunk....its why you can't smoke indoors.   You know protecting others around you...at the horror expense of yourself...

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3516 on: April 19, 2021, 12:48:10 PM »
really?
in the literal quote?

Quote from: omnigun on Today at 12:34:13 PM
Public health is a national security issue.  Its why we have laws, laws that protect the population.  Like requiring people be certain ages to do or buy things.  Its why we have laws against murdering or driving drunk....its why you can't smoke indoors.   You know protecting others around you...at the horror expense of yourself...

perhaps you don't know what "literal" means...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3517 on: April 19, 2021, 12:49:38 PM »
Someone doesn't know that booze is in the amendments twice. 1 was prohibition, and the other later repealed that and said each state can do what ever they want.  So showing an ID to prove age falls within acceptable due to states being allowed to do what they want. #notacommunist

Not only that, federal Minimum Legal Drinking Age (MLDA) didn't exist before 1984.  That caused the minimum age to vary state to state.  In my state, I was in step with the gradual increase from 18 to 21 for beer and unfortified wine when the law began.  when the age went to 19, I was 19.  The next year, it increased to 20, and so on.  When it hit 21, I was already 21.

The reason there was a change was because, in 1971, the 26th Amendment lowered the legal voting age from 21 to 18.  The same year, 30 states lowered the legal drinking age to 18 to match.  By 1982, only 14 states still have 21 as the legal age to drink.

However, the Federal Government does NOT have the power to mandate drinking ages.  Instead, they tied federal highway funding to the states' minimum drinking age.  If they didn't raise the minimum age.  By 1988, all states had raised the drinking age to 21.

This answers OMNIGRUB'S question as to why someone must show proof of age to buy (and/or consume) alcohol.

So, in summary, the age (18, 21, whatever) at which someone can legally vote, drink or join the military is 100% arbitrary.  It's forced upon the states using tax funding since the feds lack the legal authority to mandate it.

He still hasn't answered my question.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3518 on: April 19, 2021, 12:50:52 PM »
To blanket everyone with ID laws proving that they are able to drive or buy 21+ things is illogical and inefficient.  Just believe em if they look old enuff or drive decent.  Or maybe if there was some sort of documentation you could use....like an ID card or a vaccine passport....nah that gooberment overreach.

never said anything about ID laws...stop flipping words
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3519 on: April 19, 2021, 12:51:19 PM »
Public health is a national security issue.  Its why we have laws, laws that protect the population.  Like requiring people be certain ages to do or buy things.  Its why we have laws against murdering or driving drunk....its why you can't smoke indoors.   You know protecting others around you...at the horror expense of yourself...

Public health is a public health issue.  If it were a national security issue, people would be forced to get vaccinated or be arrested.  We have plenty of national security statutes to justify that.

You're still obfuscating. 

Answer the question.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw