The COVID Cult (Read 1797917 times)

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3540 on: April 19, 2021, 04:15:40 PM »

The question remains "Why does OMNIGUN care who is vaccinated as long as he is?"

Once protected, the rest of the population needs to take care of their OWN vaccinations.  If they choose not to, it shouldn't matter to him one little bit.

I care because many have mentioned here many times.  Vaccines are not 100%.  If you could guarantee non criminal or accidental, that myself or my family would not get infected it wouldn't matter to me.  Anything that doesn't effect myself or those I care about is none of my concern.

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3541 on: April 19, 2021, 04:18:52 PM »
Yes and using them together gives a higher effective rate....kinda like vaccine shots.  One is around 80%, full course (2) is 95%.   :shaka:


and how do you know what type of birth control your female partner may or may not be using?
birth control pill passport?

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3542 on: April 19, 2021, 04:20:50 PM »


and how do you know what type of birth control your female partner may or may not be using?
birth control pill passport?

I ask for proof.  Looking at pill pack.  Until we have trust and tested always use condom.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3543 on: April 19, 2021, 04:41:08 PM »
I ask for proof.  Looking at pill pack.  Until we have trust and tested always use condom.

Pills don't prevent STDs.  Asking for proof is inconsequential if you're using condoms.

If you're willing to trust condoms with your health, then you are also willing to trust them to prevent pregnancy. 

Questioning your partner's honesty must be some form of Millennial foreplay...
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3544 on: April 19, 2021, 04:53:51 PM »
I care because many have mentioned here many times.  Vaccines are not 100%.  If you could guarantee non criminal or accidental, that myself or my family would not get infected it wouldn't matter to me.  Anything that doesn't effect myself or those I care about is none of my concern.

VACCINES ARE NOT 100%? 

Took you long enough to finally admit it. 

So, how effective IS the vaccine?  If not 100%, is it 90%?  95%?  97%?  Less than 90%?

The truth is, we have a rushed, clinical-trial-sampled statement from the makers of the vaccines to go on.  We are finding more than the predicted number of vaccinated people becoming infected after having both shots. 

More than 140 fully vaccinated people in
Houston have tested positive for COVID-19


https://kiowacountypress.net/content/more-140-fully-vaccinated-people-houston-have-tested-positive-covid-19

So, do you really think the shot is going to save your life?  If so, do you not think the decision to be vaccinated or not is an individual decision?

This is not the same as Measles, where kids who aren't vaccinated can infect kids who haven't had all their boosters.

CDC guidance:
Quote
Children should get two doses of MMR vaccine, starting with the first dose at 12 to 15 months of age, and the second dose at 4 through 6 years of age. Teens and adults should also be up to date on their MMR vaccination. Children may also get MMRV vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella (chickenpox). This vaccine is only licensed for use in children who are 12 months through 12 years of age.

So, kids age 15 months to 4-6 years are going to be at risk of infection until that second dose is given.  Much more of a concern than getting a COVID shot twice in 1-2 months.

Again, the confidence level YOU have should dictate whether or not you trust the vaccine to protect you WITHOUT the need for masks and social distancing -- either by you or others.  If masks are recommended to keep YOU from infecting others, and YOU are vaccinated, then what's the risk to you if you don't wear a mask?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3545 on: April 19, 2021, 05:15:10 PM »
I care because many have mentioned here many times.  Vaccines are not 100%.  If you could guarantee non criminal or accidental, that myself or my family would not get infected it wouldn't matter to me.  Anything that doesn't effect myself or those I care about is none of my concern.

it's all about you...

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3546 on: April 19, 2021, 05:32:36 PM »
Pills don't prevent STDs.  Asking for proof is inconsequential if you're using condoms.

If you're willing to trust condoms with your health, then you are also willing to trust them to prevent pregnancy. 

Questioning your partner's honesty must be some form of Millennial foreplay...

Well since the recent topic was pregnancy that's why I said that.  18 years is a long time.  For STD's as long as everyone is tested at a reasonable frequency you have that going for you.   Not really, it would be stupid not to question, hence I said till trust is established.  I've slept with women who I wouldn't consider that level of trust needed to go without protection.  Not every women you sleep with is a committed relationship.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3547 on: April 19, 2021, 05:34:27 PM »
VACCINES ARE NOT 100%? 

Took you long enough to finally admit it. 

So, how effective IS the vaccine?  If not 100%, is it 90%?  95%?  97%?  Less than 90%?

The truth is, we have a rushed, clinical-trial-sampled statement from the makers of the vaccines to go on.  We are finding more than the predicted number of vaccinated people becoming infected after having both shots. 

More than 140 fully vaccinated people in
Houston have tested positive for COVID-19


https://kiowacountypress.net/content/more-140-fully-vaccinated-people-houston-have-tested-positive-covid-19

So, do you really think the shot is going to save your life?  If so, do you not think the decision to be vaccinated or not is an individual decision?

This is not the same as Measles, where kids who aren't vaccinated can infect kids who haven't had all their boosters.

CDC guidance:
So, kids age 15 months to 4-6 years are going to be at risk of infection until that second dose is given.  Much more of a concern than getting a COVID shot twice in 1-2 months.

Again, the confidence level YOU have should dictate whether or not you trust the vaccine to protect you WITHOUT the need for masks and social distancing -- either by you or others.  If masks are recommended to keep YOU from infecting others, and YOU are vaccinated, then what's the risk to you if you don't wear a mask?

I've always said its around 95% according to studies...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3548 on: April 19, 2021, 06:26:23 PM »
I've always said its around 95% according to studies...

So, WE have to continue wearing masks after YOU were vaccinated because of a 5% chance that the vaccine will not protect YOU?

Do you see the flaw in that cost/benefit analysis?

You want to ban people from flying who weren't vaccinated.  Why?  You have less than a 5% chance of infection, since the odds that anyone not vaccinated is actually infected are less than 60%, and masks will be mandated by the airlines to help protect you.

Does a 5% chance the vaccine won't stop infection for YOU really dictate that everyone else continue wearing masks after half the nation is immunized?  Isn't 50-60% in the previously-cited range for herd immunity?

Seems a bit like overkill. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Glasser

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3549 on: April 19, 2021, 06:31:49 PM »
This thread has now convinced me that Fauci and Biden should pass mandatory 100% Birth Control and it would still be 35-45 years too late.
« Last Edit: April 19, 2021, 09:33:20 PM by Glasser »

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3550 on: April 19, 2021, 06:37:00 PM »
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

ren

Deeds Not Words

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3552 on: April 19, 2021, 08:43:09 PM »
So, WE have to continue wearing masks after YOU were vaccinated because of a 5% chance that the vaccine will not protect YOU?

Do you see the flaw in that cost/benefit analysis?

You want to ban people from flying who weren't vaccinated.  Why?  You have less than a 5% chance of infection, since the odds that anyone not vaccinated is actually infected are less than 60%, and masks will be mandated by the airlines to help protect you.

Does a 5% chance the vaccine won't stop infection for YOU really dictate that everyone else continue wearing masks after half the nation is immunized?  Isn't 50-60% in the previously-cited range for herd immunity?

Seems a bit like overkill.

I have family members and friends not fully vaxxed.  Not always about me.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3553 on: April 19, 2021, 09:02:43 PM »
I have family members and friends not fully vaxxed.  Not always about me.

Once again, not the point.

The issue is why people who are vaccinated are forced to wear masks?  Again, if you only have a 5% chance of getting infected IF you ever are exposed to someone with the virus, why do YOU need to wear a mask??  Who are you going to infect?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3554 on: April 19, 2021, 09:17:54 PM »
Once again, not the point.

The issue is why people who are vaccinated are forced to wear masks?  Again, if you only have a 5% chance of getting infected IF you ever are exposed to someone with the virus, why do YOU need to wear a mask??  Who are you going to infect?

They don't need to, if they provide proof they are vaccinated, if not people can pretend to be vaccinated and spread covid.  Hence some sort of ID.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3555 on: April 19, 2021, 09:30:14 PM »
They don't need to, if they provide proof they are vaccinated, if not people can pretend to be vaccinated and spread covid.  Hence some sort of ID.

Answer the f*cking question.

"If you only have a 5% chance of getting infected IF you ever are exposed to someone with the virus, why do YOU need to wear a mask??  Who are you going to infect?"

I know you have a problem comprehending English, but... DAMN!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Glasser

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3556 on: April 19, 2021, 09:35:31 PM »
https://americanmind.org/salvo/a-covid-death-the-bureaucracy-decides/

A Covid Death? The Bureaucracy Decides

There was a change made this past year. Not a data capture reform for all the erroneous death diagnoses, and not even a data capture reform to improve reporting for all the infections that significantly impact our health before death. The CDC’s National Vital Statistics System (NVSS) rolled out the data capture red carpet for one—and only one—disease-causing pathogen: SARS-CoV-2.

On March 24th, 2020, only 11 days after the first pandemic-related lockdown started, and well before widespread testing was available, the NVSS gave hand-holding guidance to the medical certifiers, local registrars, and mortality statistics coders on precisely how they ought to spotlight COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death on death certificates. They boldly declared that COVID should be the underlying cause on a death certificate “more often than not,” even without laboratory confirmation of infection.

When they created this COVID alert in March, and followed up by releasing this COVID death recording guidance a few days later, we couldn’t have possibly had enough country-specific statistics to justify such a drastic departure in coding COVID deaths, compared to how other infectious disease fatalities are recorded.

So the NVSS actually dictated a belief to the community of death certificate medical certifiers and vital records registrars—our cause-of-death approval gatekeepers—before having any reasonable disease surveillance infrastructure established to support their claim of probability of undiagnosed COVID being the cause of death, greatly amplifying the perception of COVID mortality. This may have been against federal law on data collection changes, as this peer-reviewed research paper suggests: “Federal agencies that make changes to how they collect, publish, and analyze data without alerting the Federal Register and OMB [Office of Management and Budget] as a result are in violation of federal law.”

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3557 on: April 19, 2021, 09:39:25 PM »
Answer the f*cking question.

"If you only have a 5% chance of getting infected IF you ever are exposed to someone with the virus, why do YOU need to wear a mask??  Who are you going to infect?"

I know you have a problem comprehending English, but... DAMN!

I think you can't read

They don't need to, if they provide proof they are vaccinated, if not people can pretend to be vaccinated and spread covid.  Hence some sort of ID.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3558 on: April 19, 2021, 10:30:30 PM »
I think you can't read

I asked why YOU need to wear a mask?

You replied with, "They don't need to."

Oh.  My mistake.  "They" is your/their preferred pronoun.

THEY should have that listed in THEIR signature ... for clarity.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

astroboy

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #3559 on: April 19, 2021, 11:34:23 PM »
Gerald Celente interview