How can anyone with a scintilla of rational logical reasoning capacity take any of this seriously? smh. If the masks "work", and are "necessary", why would people be allowed to remove them when seated within inches of other people while they eat and drink? How does that logically follow from the premises? Sounds like a SUPERSPREADER event to me... well, except for the Texas Rangers game many weeks ago where the stadium was full, every seat filled, and no one required to wear a mask, and from the photos of the event, almost no one wearing a mask, and.... nothing happened. The Dodgers: Gathering size limit? Throw that out, not needed, because, whatever. "Social distance" requirement? Throw that out, not needed, because, whatever. Sanitizing requirement? Throw that out, because, whatever. Masks? Hell yes, keep that mitigation measure, because, whatever. Yeah, I know, I have a fetish for rationality and logic and deriving conclusions based upon those criteria and the provable facts/data/evidence... so sue me. In the meantime... smh. Again.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/los-angeles-dodgers-offering-special-seats-fully-vaccinated-fan-section-face-mask-still-required/

Los Angeles Dodgers Offering Special Seats in ‘Fully Vaccinated Fan Section’ – Face Mask Still Required

California officials recently announced that venues can create a caste system and make special sections for vaccinated people so they don’t have to sit near dirty lepers.

The Los Angeles Dodgers are offering special seats in a ‘fully vaccinated fan section’ for Saturday’s game against the Padres.

Fully vaccinated people attending Saturday’s game still have to wear face masks, but they won’t be required to social distance.

KTLA reported:

If you’re fully inoculated against COVID-19 and you can prove it, you are eligible to sit in a special section at Dodger Stadium designated for ticket holders who have received vaccines.

The tickets in the Loge level’s “fully vaccinated fan section” are currently only available for Saturday’s game against the San Diego Padres, according to the Los Angeles Dodgers website. Before entry into the vaccinated section, fans must show proof that at least two weeks have passed since their final dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.

Once inside the designated section, those who are fully vaccinated will not be required to social distance. Instead, people who are seated in the section will be seated right next to other parties. Face coverings are required to be worn in the fully vaccinated-only sections, but they can be removed for eating and drinking if a person is in their designated seat.

Segregation is usually never a good thing.  But it's OK, because it's for the greater good right?

Why would anyone be surprised by anything a literally demented low-IQ person does?

The "influencer" who made this video about her getting an offer to be paid to promote "vaccination" also claims that the government funding bill included 8 million dollars for such influencer paid recruitment. Let's see, at $1,300 each, that'd be approximately 6,500 social media influencers promoting "vaccination" while not likely mentioning that it is a paid promotion. Your tax dollars at work.

https://odysee.com/@FwapUK:1/HOW-THEY-RECRUIT-'VACCINE-INFLUENCERS'-HAVE-YOU-SOLD-YOUR-SOUL-YET_:7

HOW THEY RECRUIT "VACCINE INFLUENCERS" HAVE YOU SOLD YOUR SOUL YET?

Stills of the recruitment message sent to her:

One person's take... it's a compelling "argument", but only if you believe there are such things as human rights... and actual science.

https://amgreatness.com/2021/04/22/why-im-not-getting-the-vaccine/

Why I’m Not Getting the Vaccine
Whether we're allowed to live by the decisions we reach freely within our rights as citizens—even when the decision may be wrong—is the ultimate test of whether we are free or slaves.
By Dan Gelernter

April 22, 2021

If you’re in a high-risk group and you’d like to get the vaccine, go right ahead. I’m not a doctor and I have no wish to advise anyone in the matter—but, equally, I resent people throwing unsolicited advice at me.

I am not in a high-risk group. I’m a young, healthy man. I have probably been exposed to coronavirus (early in the pandemic) and never came down with it. The chances of my getting the virus are extremely tiny, and the chances I’ll die from it are infinitesimal. Further, the Centers for Disease Control has published a paper that found no risk of asymptomatic transmission. So as long as I don’t feel sick (and as long as I stay home if I do) I am not going to give the virus to anyone else in the extremely unlikely case that I contract it.

....

No doubt many American politicians would love a vaccine passport. In Europe, you can only travel with a binder full of documents and, in some places, a government-issued QR code. This is even less persuasive and less reassuring. With a safe and effective vaccine, governments shouldn’t have to resort to their favorite argument (“do what we want or we’ll ruin your life”). 

...

“Believing in science,” it turns out, is much more about believing than it is about science. It is hardly surprising that it has become a new religion to people who threw away Christianity or Judaism before realizing they needed to believe in something. Invoking “science” with religious fervor as the reason certain precepts are beyond question is, I think, more dangerous to society than my own desire to wait and see how safe the vaccine is.

But I’m open to persuasion. Go ahead, change my mind.

Lengthy piece by an ordinary person who has the ability to read and comprehend medical literature and reason using logic based upon the best available evidence. Lots of links. He has 18 questions that no one has answered to his satisfaction. I've only included one here... go read the whole article for the other 17...

https://www.deconstructingconventional.com/post/18-reason-i-won-t-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine

18 Reasons I Won't Be Getting a Covid Vaccine

A few friends have asked my thoughts on the covid jab(s) so I thought it was time to write an article on the topic.

All my friends had not heard most of the details I shared, so I figured you might appreciate hearing some of what I told them.

Knowing how contentious this issue is, part of me would rather just write about something else, but I feel like the discussion/news is so one-sided that I should speak up.

As I always strive to do, I promise to do my best to be level-headed and non-hysterical.

I'm not here to pick a fight with anyone, just to walk you through some of what I've read, my lingering questions, and explain why I can't make sense of these covid vaccines.

THREE GROUND RULES FOR DISCUSSION

If you care to engage on this topic with me, excellent.

Here are the rules...

I am more than happy to correspond with you if...

You are respectful and treat me the way you would want to be treated.

You ask genuinely thoughtful questions about what makes sense to you.

You make your points using sound logic and don't hide behind links or the word "science." In other words, make a kind, level-headed argument (links welcome), but don't just post a link and say "read the science." That's intellectually lazy.

If you do respond, and you break any of those rules, your comments will be ignored/deleted.

With that out of the way, let me say this...

I don't know everything, but so far no one has been able to answer the objections below.

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#9: THE VACCINES DO NOT STOP TRANSMISSION OR INFECTION

Wait, what?

Aren't these vaccines supposed to be what we've been waiting for to "go back to normal"?

Nope.

Why do you think we're getting all these conflicting messages about needing to practice social distancing and wear masks AFTER we get a vaccine?

The reason is because these vaccines were never designed to stop transmission OR infection.

If you don't believe me, I refer you again to the papers submitted to the FDA I linked to above.

The primary endpoint (what the vaccines are meant to accomplish) is to lower your symptoms.

Sounds like just about every other drug on the market right?

That's it...lowering your symptoms is the big payoff we've been waiting for.

Does that seem completely pointless to anyone but me?

It can't stop us from spreading the virus.

It can't stop the virus from infecting us once we have it.

To get the vaccine is to accept all the risk of these experimental products and the best it might do is lower symptoms?

Heck, there are plenty of other things I can do to lower my symptoms that don't involve taking what appears to be a really risky product.

Now for the next logical question:

If we're worried about asymptomatic spreaders, would the vaccine not make it more likely that we are creating asymptomatic spread?

If it indeed reduces symptoms, anyone who gets it might not even know they are sick and thus they are more likely to spread the virus, right?

For what it's worth, I've heard many people say the side effects of the vaccine (especially the second dose) are worse than catching covid.

I can't make sense of that either.

Take the risk.

Get no protection.

Suffer through the vaccine side-effects.

Keep wearing your mask and social distancing...

And continue to be able to spread the virus.

What?


 

I doubt they will get sued.  There is precedent that you must have certain vaccines to work or go to school.  So it appears its within his rights as an employer to do so.  Only gray area is that the vaccine does not have full FDA approval.

Not sure how you are equating Pot to the vaccine.  One is recreational and should be allowed on off work time and doesn't effect work.  The other decreases the risk of other employees.

The vaccine in question did not exist when she was hired.  You can't retroactively demand employees have vaccines AFTER they are hired.  HIPAA requires that an employee's health information remain private, and the ADA requires that employers not fire employees for health-related causes (pregnancy being one of the main causes women have faced in the past).

So, no.  Employers can't fire you for failing to comply with vaccination demands.  The vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission, so forcing employees to receive the vaccine has no basis in science.

Would you support this employee's termination if the employee works from home?

Authoritarian fascist, former RINO, Jennifer Rubin of the Bezos-Washington Post stops short of "send them to concentration camps", but suggests all their other "privileges" (like shopping for food in a store) be revoked. The fact that she is an uninformed moronic idiot and/or a liar is not taken into account by her in her irrational analysis and logic of her argument.

This statement is either a bald-faced lie or profound ignorance... maybe partially both: "...once fully vaccinated, you have near 100 percent immunity...". Not if "immunity" includes 1. not being infected, and 2. not being capable of transmitting the virus. Since the fully vaccinated can both 1. be infected and 2. transmit the virus, and the "immunity" from both those conditions is only around 50%, why should those people get special "privileges" for taking a drug that really only offers them a lower likelihood of having serious consequences if they do become infected (and if they are under 65 and not obese or have diabetes or heart disease, etc., they would likely not have serious consequences anyway). So what have they really "earned", and why would someone lie about it?

https://archive.fo/uCBCt#selection-377.0-377.52

We should soon stop catering to the vaccine holdouts

After making dramatic progress in mitigation and vaccination efforts, committing billions of dollars and supplying a constant flow of indisputable medical evidence that, once fully vaccinated, you have near 100 percent immunity, Biden went a step further. He asked employers to give workers paid time off to get the shot or to recover from the side effects — and then offered to reimburse employers.

At some point, only the willfully ignorant and destructive will remain unvaccinated. Once that happens, employers, retail establishments, entertainment venues, public buildings, public transportation, colleges and (when vaccines are approved for children) K-12 schools should insist that people present a secure form of proof of vaccination before entering.

The resolutely anti-vaccination crowd will holler about their “freedom” being taken away. Nonsense. Schools already require an array of vaccinations for children. Public and private establishments can require shoes and shirts. Employers can require safety equipment be worn. The ornery holdouts won’t be mandated by the government to get shots, but they should not be able to enjoy the benefits, privileges and access that responsible Americans have earned by getting vaccinated.

White Privilege once again saves the day. By all means, you guys go first.

Washington State Department of Health Allows Vaccination Sites to Deny Vaccines to White People to ‘Address Inequities’


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/washington-state-deptartment-health-allows-vaccination-sites-deny-vaccines-white-people-address-inequities/

The vaccine in question did not exist when she was hired.  You can't retroactively demand employees have vaccines AFTER they are hired.  HIPAA requires that an employee's health information remain private, and the ADA requires that employers not fire employees for health-related causes (pregnancy being one of the main causes women have faced in the past).

So, no.  Employers can't fire you for failing to comply with vaccination demands. The vaccine does not prevent infection or transmission, so forcing employees to receive the vaccine has no basis in science.

Would you support this employee's termination if the employee works from home?

Utterly false statement.  You and Puna are both fakenews.  The vaccine DOES prevent infection. 

If the employee can work at home then they do not need to do the vaccine in my opinion.  Also you can have CURRENT vaccine requirements. I was required to have up to date vaccines in my previous medical job. 

We should soon stop catering to the vaccine holdouts

After making dramatic progress in mitigation and vaccination efforts, committing billions of dollars and supplying a constant flow of indisputable medical evidence that, once fully vaccinated, you have near 100 percent immunity, Biden went a step further. He asked employers to give workers paid time off to get the shot or to recover from the side effects — and then offered to reimburse employers.

At some point, only the willfully ignorant and destructive will remain unvaccinated. Once that happens, employers, retail establishments, entertainment venues, public buildings, public transportation, colleges and (when vaccines are approved for children) K-12 schools should insist that people present a secure form of proof of vaccination before entering.

The resolutely anti-vaccination crowd will holler about their “freedom” being taken away. Nonsense. Schools already require an array of vaccinations for children. Public and private establishments can require shoes and shirts. Employers can require safety equipment be worn. The ornery holdouts won’t be mandated by the government to get shots, but they should not be able to enjoy the benefits, privileges and access that responsible Americans have earned by getting vaccinated.

Great Idea!

Totalitarianism is good for you

Totalitarianism is good for you

Not really.  Cause none of that is totalitarianism.  Sounds like #freedom.  Businesses have freedom too you know.  They can ban you from entering not only for vaccination status, but how you look, what you wear.  Or even just cause they don't randomly like you!

Not really.  Cause none of that is totalitarianism.  Sounds like #freedom.  Businesses have freedom too you know.  They can ban you from entering not only for vaccination status, but how you look, what you wear.  Or even just cause they don't randomly like you!

tell that to some bakers I read about...
or try tell a customer they are not welcome in your store based on their race....

Freedom means forcing people to do things against their will

Freedom means forcing people to do things against their will

No forcing, you are free to go to places without passport requirements. Or public/government locations.  And always your own property. 

Minding your own business means infringing on the rights of large institutions who know how to run your life better than you do

So Fauci says "Don't wear a mask. Wear a mask. Wear more than one mask. Don't wear more than one mask." etc., etc., etc., but that 's not "medical misinformation"? LOL! What a bunch of fucking lying fascists.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/04/23/michelle-malkin-censored-by-youtube-for-medical-misinformation/

Michelle Malkin Censored by YouTube for ‘Medical Misinformation’

Conservative author and journalist Michelle Malkin has been censored by Google-owned YouTube, causing Malkin to declare that a “purge” of her content is underway. She is posting the censored content on Bitchute a video hosting platform that is pro-free speech, and is also posting the content to her Gab account.

Malkin said YouTube is targeting episodes of her regular online show, MalkinLive. She shared a message from YouTube declaring that an interview had been censored for “medical misinformation.” The video is an interview with two mothers from Colorado who are fighting for religious and philosophical exemptions from local vaccine mandates.

The conservative author was also prevented from sharing a link to her Bitchute video by Twitter.

“The purge of my YouTube #MalkinLive shows is underway,” said Malkin “Interviewing moms who support religious/philosophical exemptions from vax mandates is FORBIDDEN. Go to Bitchute for my back-ups, including this one from June 2020 that just got banned this morning.”

“Twitter seems to have a nice arrangement w/ Google/YouTube to squash competition & squelch dissent. I am forbidden from sharing my Bitchute channel links because Twitter & its partners have identified them as “harmful.” TRUTH IS HARMFUL TO LIARS & MANIPULATORS.”




In a comment to Breitbart News, Malkin said:

In 2019, I sounded the alarm on how Silicon Valley and the World Health Organization were conspiring to stifle dissent on mandatory vaccines. Parents who spoke out against Big Pharma control freaks were the canary in the deplatforming coal mine that has entrapped conservatives, pro-lifers, nationalists, MAGA activists & Donald Trump himself. Few listened and I was mocked as a “conspiracy theorist.”

Now, the Big Tech overlords are working overtime to purge every corner of the Internet of all vigorous debate and discussion of the COVID regime from masks to lockdowns to vaccine passports and beyond. Free speech and free thought are imperiled by the globalist public health bureaucracy and its allies at Google, YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook. How rich that the crackdown is escalating just days after Google/YouTube awarded its CEO “Free Expression” award! Fox meet henhouse.

Malkin was able to share a link to a post on her Gab account which contains the Bitchute video of her interview.

Bitchute confirmed that the original link was unshareable on Twitter in a post from its official account. Bitchute got around the problem by using a different URL that redirects users before forwarding them to Bitchute.

“The #YoutubePurge is underway, and the authoritarians at Twitter will not even let us link directly to Michelle Malkin,” confirmed Bitchute. “But where there is a will, there is a way. chute.rocks/hhgFbqqirk8.”

Hollywood Hypocrites: Oscars Won't Require Masks for Attendees

https://charliekirk.com/news/hollywood-hypocrites-oscars-wont-require-masks-for-attendees/

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no evidence of anti-conservative bias on social media...

So Fauci says "Don't wear a mask. Wear a mask. Wear more than one mask. Don't wear more than one mask." etc., etc., etc., but that 's not "medical misinformation"? LOL! What a bunch of fucking lying fascists.

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/04/23/michelle-malkin-censored-by-youtube-for-medical-misinformation/

Michelle Malkin Censored by YouTube for ‘Medical Misinformation’

Conservative author and journalist Michelle Malkin has been censored by Google-owned YouTube, causing Malkin to declare that a “purge” of her content is underway. She is posting the censored content on Bitchute a video hosting platform that is pro-free speech, and is also posting the content to her Gab account.

Malkin said YouTube is targeting episodes of her regular online show, MalkinLive. She shared a message from YouTube declaring that an interview had been censored for “medical misinformation.” The video is an interview with two mothers from Colorado who are fighting for religious and philosophical exemptions from local vaccine mandates.

The conservative author was also prevented from sharing a link to her Bitchute video by Twitter.

“The purge of my YouTube #MalkinLive shows is underway,” said Malkin “Interviewing moms who support religious/philosophical exemptions from vax mandates is FORBIDDEN. Go to Bitchute for my back-ups, including this one from June 2020 that just got banned this morning.”

“Twitter seems to have a nice arrangement w/ Google/YouTube to squash competition & squelch dissent. I am forbidden from sharing my Bitchute channel links because Twitter & its partners have identified them as “harmful.” TRUTH IS HARMFUL TO LIARS & MANIPULATORS.”




In a comment to Breitbart News, Malkin said:

In 2019, I sounded the alarm on how Silicon Valley and the World Health Organization were conspiring to stifle dissent on mandatory vaccines. Parents who spoke out against Big Pharma control freaks were the canary in the deplatforming coal mine that has entrapped conservatives, pro-lifers, nationalists, MAGA activists & Donald Trump himself. Few listened and I was mocked as a “conspiracy theorist.”

Now, the Big Tech overlords are working overtime to purge every corner of the Internet of all vigorous debate and discussion of the COVID regime from masks to lockdowns to vaccine passports and beyond. Free speech and free thought are imperiled by the globalist public health bureaucracy and its allies at Google, YouTube, Twitter, and Facebook. How rich that the crackdown is escalating just days after Google/YouTube awarded its CEO “Free Expression” award! Fox meet henhouse.

Malkin was able to share a link to a post on her Gab account which contains the Bitchute video of her interview.

Bitchute confirmed that the original link was unshareable on Twitter in a post from its official account. Bitchute got around the problem by using a different URL that redirects users before forwarding them to Bitchute.

“The #YoutubePurge is underway, and the authoritarians at Twitter will not even let us link directly to Michelle Malkin,” confirmed Bitchute. “But where there is a will, there is a way. chute.rocks/hhgFbqqirk8.”

I have to start hanging out over at the chute more. Youtube is getting boring