The COVID Cult (Read 1799405 times)

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4680 on: June 02, 2021, 08:54:22 AM »
and one last one that someone won't read and certainly won't admit he was wrong...

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1398648963067170818

"As you can see, the ridiculous state lotteries did precisely nothing to raise demand (at best they temporarily stopped they slide) - which is a surprise only to the amoral Twittidiots who supported them."

But YOU said it will have no impact on the demand and so did I and was skeptical. (sarcasm)

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4681 on: June 02, 2021, 09:02:01 AM »
So Fauci has been wrong and withheld info many times.  Yet Trump never tried to get rid of him.  Now we know why.  Had Trump replaced him and the new guy was ever wrong, Trump would get the blame and it would be in the news instantly.  Probably he would be impeached again by the corrupt DNC, even though he's not in office or criminal charges.

So far, little to no mention of Fauci's emails.  The fake news is trying to coordinate a narrative to protect him since Fauci has been in office for many decades.

Trump never pushed the mask, and now we know why.

Trump mentions HCQ and was discredited by many officials (read email to Fauci about HCQ as 1 treatment option). NV governor even banned it from use outside a hospital, only to retract it weeks later.

Trump bans China and gets called a racist/xenophobe and people like Pelosi go to a US Chinatown to eat. Then people give huge credit to Taiwan who also banned China and other countries from entering.

The last thing that Trump never did before he left office was to push a vaxx on people.  So we shall see if this was the right call or not.

4D Chess is playing out.  Just 1 more thing Trump was right about, despite those with TDS and the fake news fighting him every step of the way.

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4682 on: June 02, 2021, 09:09:16 AM »
as usual, OG ignores the fact that the graph shows why his/her/it was wrong about the lotteries causing an increase in vaccine uptake...

I had graphs and studies too that show it did. 

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4683 on: June 02, 2021, 09:09:57 AM »
dude, focus
the curves are similar despite the fact that france has had very little vaccinations...

They don't look similar at all.   Unless any downtrend is considered similar. 

Glasser

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4685 on: June 02, 2021, 09:22:42 AM »
I had graphs and studies too that show it did.

you had one graph of an uptick that you said indicated lotteries work without proof that the uptick was from the lottery
i just posted a graph that showed that the uptick was from 12-15 year olds, disproving it was from the lottery
and now the numbers are below 600k a day, further indicating that the lotteries are not working

please show me studies and graphs proving me wrong
otherwise, well, you know...

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4686 on: June 02, 2021, 09:29:57 AM »
inb4 the fauci emails are not a smoking gun because "science changes/new facts emerged" or "not proven in a court of law"...

I'll wait for more info on those emails.  But they look to be interesting.  He has a quite difficult job.  You can't just tell the public that only infected should wear masks when they don't know they are infected so telling everyone has merit. Public relations is quite tricky.

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4687 on: June 02, 2021, 09:41:32 AM »
I'll wait for more info on those emails.  But they look to be interesting.  He has a quite difficult job.  You can't just tell the public that only infected should wear masks when they don't know they are infected so telling everyone has merit. Public relations is quite tricky.

No one knows who the next active shooter will be. Thus ban ALL guns from everyone. #howamiacommunist?

drck1000

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4688 on: June 02, 2021, 09:44:12 AM »
No one knows who the next active shooter will be. Thus ban ALL guns from everyone. #howamiacommunist?
#howdareyou (I should be carefree and in school)  ::)
#thinkofthechildren

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4689 on: June 02, 2021, 09:52:31 AM »
you had one graph of an uptick that you said indicated lotteries work without proof that the uptick was from the lottery
i just posted a graph that showed that the uptick was from 12-15 year olds, disproving it was from the lottery
and now the numbers are below 600k a day, further indicating that the lotteries are not working

please show me studies and graphs proving me wrong
otherwise, well, you know...

Just to be clear as well, Mac is not stating he thinks the lottos are not working, just that the graphs are "indicating" that they're not working.  This may come up down the road.

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4690 on: June 02, 2021, 10:36:51 AM »
They don't look similar at all.   Unless any downtrend is considered similar.

france being down 75% in 2 months isn't a big deal?
without a good vaxx program?
weather is the same
oh, yeah
"other factors"...

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4691 on: June 02, 2021, 10:39:20 AM »
I'll wait for more info on those emails.  But they look to be interesting.  He has a quite difficult job.  You can't just tell the public that only infected should wear masks when they don't know they are infected so telling everyone has merit. Public relations is quite tricky.

"public relations"?
saying you have hydroxychloroquine for your family while saying it is dangerous and ineffective is "public relations"?
saying privately you incorrectly stated that there is asymptomatic spread when you meant symptomatic, and never correcting it publicly is "public relations"?
i could go on, but you will never see the light...

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4692 on: June 02, 2021, 10:44:25 AM »
So Mac....apparently vaccine lottos DO work. 

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ohios-1st-million-dollar-vaccine-lottery-winner-revealed/story?id=77918418

"I had graphs and studies too that show it did. "

you posted one article, not "graphs and studies"
but your statement is not wrong...
« Last Edit: June 02, 2021, 12:58:19 PM by macsak »

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4693 on: June 02, 2021, 10:46:38 AM »
"public relations"?
saying you have hydroxychloroquine for your family while saying it is dangerous and ineffective is "public relations"?
saying privately you incorrectly stated that there is asymptomatic spread when you meant symptomatic, and never correcting it publicly is "public relations"?
i could go on, but you will never see the light...

Maybe he doesn't know what PR means?

omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4694 on: June 02, 2021, 11:36:40 AM »
"public relations"?
saying you have hydroxychloroquine for your family while saying it is dangerous and ineffective is "public relations"?
saying privately you incorrectly stated that there is asymptomatic spread when you meant symptomatic, and never correcting it publicly is "public relations"?
i could go on, but you will never see the light...

hydroxychloroquine need to be studied more with actual negative potential outcomes.  He was right on that, not to tell everyone to use.   Thats good PR.

Yes, both types of spread are possible, and yes symptomatic is much more but the goal of good PR is too limit all exposure so if the public stays "restricted" there is overall good.  Thats good PR. 

The whole point of his job is to protect everyone from infectious viruses.   The public are not all scientists or educated.  So blanked statements for the overall good are effective.  Changing messaging and other things will reduce efficiency of the message and effectiveness of preventing spread. 

At the same time science is king,  but like previously mentioned science says symptomatic spread is more but doesn't completely cross out non symptomatic spread.  If your goal is to stop all spread that covers both.

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4695 on: June 02, 2021, 12:00:20 PM »
hydroxychloroquine need to be studied more with actual negative potential outcomes.  He was right on that, not to tell everyone to use.   Thats good PR.

Yes, both types of spread are possible, and yes symptomatic is much more but the goal of good PR is too limit all exposure so if the public stays "restricted" there is overall good.  Thats good PR. 

The whole point of his job is to protect everyone from infectious viruses.   The public are not all scientists or educated.  So blanked statements for the overall good are effective.  Changing messaging and other things will reduce efficiency of the message and effectiveness of preventing spread. 

At the same time science is king,  but like previously mentioned science says symptomatic spread is more but doesn't completely cross out non symptomatic spread.  If your goal is to stop all spread that covers both.

the nation's supposedly "top scientist" with the highest salary in the Govt should be talking about science, not PR

drck1000

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4696 on: June 02, 2021, 12:02:09 PM »
the nation's supposedly "top scientist" with the highest salary in the Govt should be talking about science, not PR
Such a “blanked” statement...

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4697 on: June 02, 2021, 12:02:20 PM »
hydroxychloroquine need to be studied more with actual negative potential outcomes.  He was right on that, not to tell everyone to use.   Thats good PR.

Yes, both types of spread are possible, and yes symptomatic is much more but the goal of good PR is too limit all exposure so if the public stays "restricted" there is overall good.  Thats good PR. 

The whole point of his job is to protect everyone from infectious viruses.   The public are not all scientists or educated.  So blanked statements for the overall good are effective.  Changing messaging and other things will reduce efficiency of the message and effectiveness of preventing spread. 

At the same time science is king,  but like previously mentioned science says symptomatic spread is more but doesn't completely cross out non symptomaticif  spread.  If your goal is to stop all spread that covers both.

then why weren't more studies done on it's effectiveness?
and you do realize that billions of doses of HCQ are given out each year, so the safety is unquestionable?
why would he have it ready for his family to use if it was such an ineffective and dangerous drug?

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4698 on: June 02, 2021, 12:03:40 PM »
hydroxychloroquine need to be studied more with actual negative potential outcomes.  He was right on that, not to tell everyone to use.   Thats good PR.

Yes, both types of spread are possible, and yes symptomatic is much more but the goal of good PR is too limit all exposure so if the public stays "restricted" there is overall good.  Thats good PR. 

The whole point of his job is to protect everyone from infectious viruses.   The public are not all scientists or educated.  So blanked statements for the overall good are effective.  Changing messaging and other things will reduce efficiency of the message and effectiveness of preventing spread. 

At the same time science is king,  but like previously mentioned science says symptomatic spread is more but doesn't completely cross out non symptomatic spread.  If your goal is to stop all spread that covers both.

and yet he flip flopped on "blanked statements "on multiple occasions over the past 15 months...

Glasser

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #4699 on: June 02, 2021, 12:56:22 PM »
Actually the CDC has zero business telling doctors what medications to use on their patients. Listen to Dr Drew rant about what a huge mess this became because doctors were too pussy and scared to push back on the massive over reach by the CDC on the use of Hydroxy. Safe Drugs never ever need federal approval to be cross prescribed by a Doctor if he thinks it will help the health of their patients.


One of the things that is really going over everyone's head is how obvious it is now with all these emails is  that Fauci and the CDC were advising Trump one way behind closed doors (honestly)  and but did a 180 in public to try and make him look like he was pulling things out of his ass and 'trying to kill people'. Trump isn't a doctor, info about Hydroxy was obviously something he was heavily briefed on by qualified people.

Dr Drew also points out that the blame falls squarely on the press who monolithicly vilified a safe cheap drug for no reason other than TDS.