When you have someone pumping propaganda sometimes it is fun to push back a bit.

If the media can lie so boldly and get away with it these days, how do we know anything is real?

It's a great question worth pondering.

Meanwhile:

More vaccine deaths than covid deaths last week according to VAERS website

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/07/18/for-second-week-in-a-row-more-covid-19-vaccination-deaths-than-covid-19-deaths-in-the-us-according-to-cdc-and-vaers-websites/

The media has been lying for the past 4 years. Why should anyone believe them now? Boy who cried wolf comes to mind.

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I am truly concerned what the repercussions for these MRNA drugs will be regarding public health costs. If they make them mandatory for the military it could make the country indefensible.

I am truly concerned what the repercussions for these MRNA drugs will be regarding public health costs. If they make them mandatory for the military it could make the country indefensible.

I'm not in a very good mood today.
But why should I give a shit about public health costs?
My health is my responsibility, as much as I can deal with it.
Your health is your problem and If I have left over resources,
from my own life problems,
I'd be glad to help you out.

Making the country "indefensible".

The USA is being invaded as we write.
Democrats don't care, in fact they enable it.
Southern boarders.
The  invaders then consume resources meant for
people that legally are in the USA.

I suggest your concerns lie more with
Democrat Tyrants that mandate obedience, and take your
freedoms, than being killed or enslaved by Chinese or Russian military
amphibious invasions

I'm not in a very good mood today.
But why should I give a shit about public health costs?
My health is my responsibility, as much as I can deal with it.
Your health is your problem and If I have left over resources,
from my own life problems,
I'd be glad to help you out.

Making the country "indefensible".

The USA is being invaded as we write.
Democrats don't care, in fact they enable it.
Southern boarders.
The  invaders then consume resources meant for
people that legally are in the USA.

I suggest your concerns lie more with
Democrat Tyrants that mandate obedience, and take your
freedoms, than being killed or enslaved by Chinese or Russian military
amphibious invasions

The issue with public health costs is, every time the gov't sticks their nose in, we all pay more.  With Medicare, Medicaid, private insurance, ACA, uninsured and out-of-pocket, if the costs rise, you, too, will be paying more and more.  At some point, services, medication and medical devices could be out of reach due to cost.

If the healthcare and insurance industries ran on the same principles as regular businesses, it would already be that way.  They could be charging the wealthiest in the nation for care while ignoring the poorest completely.

When it's something you literally can't live without, you will gladly pay whatever you have to, and they will gladly charge what you can afford -- and then some.

It takes a prosperous country to afford decent welfare programs.  We are chasing a revolving credit card now.  At some point our spending limit will be exceeded, and everyone will find out what happens when you trust government too much.

My son in law went to his primary care physician yesterday to get a clearance letter.  He was treated in the past for opioid addiction, but has long since been okay.

When he arrived there, he was asked if he'd been vaccinated.  He said he has not.  Apparently the doctor's policy (HMSA provider) is he'd only meet with vaccinated patients in the office.  Unvaccinated patients have to meet in folding chairs outside!

After the meeting and having done all the business he needed doing, he asked the doctor if he was vaccinated.

The doctor replied he's had the full vaccination.

So, my SIL asked, "If you're vaccinated, and you can't contract or transmit the virus, why does it matter if I am or not?"

The doctor looked puzzled, and after a very long pause could not come up with an answer.  He knows the vaccine is supposed to keep him safe and all his patients so he can't spread it.  So what's the rationale for requiring the patients to also be vaccinated?

My SIL said he felt discriminated against, which was ironic considering the doctor had just finished stating his opinion that the police department and state are discriminating against gun buyers who have ever had any behavioral health treatment in their past.

 

My son in law went to his primary care physician yesterday to get a clearance letter.  He was treated in the past for opioid addiction, but has long since been okay.

When he arrived there, he was asked if he'd been vaccinated.  He said he has not.  Apparently the doctor's policy (HMSA provider) is he'd only meet with vaccinated patients in the office.  Unvaccinated patients have to meet in folding chairs outside!

After the meeting and having done all the business he needed doing, he asked the doctor if he was vaccinated.

The doctor replied he's had the full vaccination.

So, my SIL asked, "If you're vaccinated, and you can't contract or transmit the virus, why does it matter if I am or not?"

The doctor looked puzzled, and after a very long pause could not come up with an answer.  He knows the vaccine is supposed to keep him safe and all his patients so he can't spread it.  So what's the rationale for requiring the patients to also be vaccinated?

My SIL said he felt discriminated against, which was ironic considering the doctor had just finished stating his opinion that the police department and state are discriminating against gun buyers who have ever had any behavioral health treatment in their past.

 

Kaiser and HMSA are pussies when you confront them on their sh*t, call up and say you want to file a grievance. They will start apologizing pretty fast. Kaiser has been making it super difficult to book routine appointments because 'COVID', call and complain and file a grievance and you watch how fast they knock it off, I know half a dozen folks who have had to do that to get a regular appointment this year.

And considering they are health insurance providers and not providing the normal level of care, they should be kicking back refunds for all the service the arent providing. Auto insurance companies were doing exactly that during the beginning of lock-downs because they knew no one was driving.

https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1419476129891639297

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

that's not what the document says...

that's not what the document says...

They are talking about this portion.

"In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses.'. 

Sure implies that the PRC test isnt able to parse the difference.

Goal post about vaxxed (cdc/fake news) being moved as much as omni moves it.

Now is the time tk blame the unvaxxed.

Green stated 1700 unvaxxed return from vegas a day for july. Thats 34k in 20 days. And if 20% of positives are returning residents, for arguments sake lets say 100% of that is from only vegas (600 for all of july positives are travel related)

Then that means 0.01% returning are positive.

So since we also have to factor in the vaxxed and all other cities/states, that 0.01% is even lower.

More fear being spread to get people to be vaxxed. Wait till they find out its already obsolete.

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They are talking about this portion.

"In preparation for this change, CDC recommends clinical laboratories and testing sites that have been using the CDC 2019-nCoV RT-PCR assay select and begin their transition to another FDA-authorized COVID-19 test. CDC encourages laboratories to consider adoption of a multiplexed method that can facilitate detection and differentiation of SARS-CoV-2 and influenza viruses.'. 

Sure implies that the PRC test isnt able to parse the difference.

that is the portion i am talking about

there are talking about two separate tests, the one that they are cancelling, that ONLY detects SARS-CoV II, and the one that detects AND differentiates SARS-CoV II and flu
the test they are cancelling cannot tell the difference between SARS-CoV and the flu because it is not designed to detect the flu

I am truly concerned what the repercussions for these MRNA drugs will be regarding public health costs. If they make them mandatory for the military it could make the country indefensible.

Got proof of them claims?  Or are you fake news conspiracy?

that is the portion i am talking about

there are talking about two separate tests, the one that they are cancelling, that ONLY detects SARS-CoV II, and the one that detects AND differentiates SARS-CoV II and flu
the test they are cancelling cannot tell the difference between SARS-CoV and the flu because it is not designed to detect the flu

I went back and re-read it and I see what you are talking about as far them halting that test that was recently developed because they are trying to refine it, then I clicked the 'FDA approved tests' started read that and pretty interesting to see how many companies couldnt get an accurate test off the ground following the parameters the FDA / CDC were asking for, a lot of labs bowed out, gave up or submitted bad data that was rejected. .

My son in law went to his primary care physician yesterday to get a clearance letter.  He was treated in the past for opioid addiction, but has long since been okay.

When he arrived there, he was asked if he'd been vaccinated.  He said he has not.  Apparently the doctor's policy (HMSA provider) is he'd only meet with vaccinated patients in the office.  Unvaccinated patients have to meet in folding chairs outside!

After the meeting and having done all the business he needed doing, he asked the doctor if he was vaccinated.

The doctor replied he's had the full vaccination.

So, my SIL asked, "If you're vaccinated, and you can't contract or transmit the virus, why does it matter if I am or not?"

The doctor looked puzzled, and after a very long pause could not come up with an answer.  He knows the vaccine is supposed to keep him safe and all his patients so he can't spread it.  So what's the rationale for requiring the patients to also be vaccinated?

My SIL said he felt discriminated against, which was ironic considering the doctor had just finished stating his opinion that the police department and state are discriminating against gun buyers who have ever had any behavioral health treatment in their past.

 

He's an idiot.  If I were the doctor I would do the same. 

Got proof of them claims?  Or are you fake news conspiracy?

Hmmm, he uses words like concerned and could.  Then ask for proof of claims. Nice try, trying to sound like the big man on campus.

Not like he said "will". English101, refund.



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He's an idiot.  If I were the doctor I would do the same.

Asking a doc a question makes someone an idiot?

Makes sense for someone who blindly trust the media and government.

Good thing we live in a country where 1 can question things without being detained after.

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if I were a doctor ..... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA ok that was funny as hell.