The COVID Cult (Read 1793224 times)

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8920 on: October 29, 2021, 01:19:59 PM »
Considering we know masks don’t work for the most part the Florida stats just prove it. People should be given a choice to vaccinate or not, to wear a mask or not. And when they are given a choice look what happens. They have the lowest rates in the country.

1 argument I ran into was that FL is now cooking the books to make themselves look good. So I respond, why didn't they do that 3 months ago? Followed by the fact that numbers are dropping all over the nation.  HI's highest daily at 1 point was 1K new positives a day. Today was 155 and has been around this number for 2 weeks or so.

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8921 on: October 29, 2021, 01:24:49 PM »
1 argument I ran into was that FL is now cooking the books to make themselves look good. So I respond, why didn't they do that 3 months ago? Followed by the fact that numbers are dropping all over the nation.  HI's highest daily at 1 point was 1K new positives a day. Today was 155 and has been around this number for 2 weeks or so.
It’s pretty simple. In FL when temps went way up during the summer, people went inside to get out of the heat. Infections went up. As it gets cooler they go back outside infections go down. Now the cold states are going to see infections rise as people stay inside to get out of the cold. In moderate climate HI I would expect infections to be flat.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8922 on: October 29, 2021, 01:33:15 PM »
1 argument I ran into was that FL is now cooking the books to make themselves look good. So I respond, why didn't they do that 3 months ago? Followed by the fact that numbers are dropping all over the nation.  HI's highest daily at 1 point was 1K new positives a day. Today was 155 and has been around this number for 2 weeks or so.

There was a self-proclaimed whistleblower who worked in the place in FL where they accumulated and reported COVID stats.  She said she was fired/quit because she refused to change the COVID numbers to make the FL governor's policies look better than they are.

After the press jumped on it and called her a hero, it was discovered she lied her a$$ off.

It's no shock someone else is trying that accusation again.

https://humanevents.com/2021/02/02/the-florida-covid-19-whistleblower-saga-is-a-big-lie/
« Last Edit: October 29, 2021, 03:50:10 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8923 on: October 29, 2021, 02:33:16 PM »
Comes down to which side of the coin you flippin’
Who you gonna believe ? Serious question.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-shots-more-protective-past-214328661.html

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8924 on: October 29, 2021, 04:11:41 PM »
Comes down to which side of the coin you flippin’
Who you gonna believe ? Serious question.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-shots-more-protective-past-214328661.html
This article is all jacked up. And people wonder why the are faith issues in the fake news.



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hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8925 on: October 29, 2021, 04:20:31 PM »
This article is all jacked up. And people wonder why the are faith issues in the fake news.



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It's based off a study by the CDC, who are a total clown show at this point
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8926 on: October 29, 2021, 04:58:14 PM »
This article is all jacked up. And people wonder why the are faith issues in the fake news.

Quote
About 6,000 of them had been fully vaccinated with the Moderna or Pfizer vaccines three to six months
before they wound up in a hospitals. The other 1,000 were unvaccinated but had been infected with
COVID-19 three to six months earlier.

About 5% of the vaccinated patients tested positive for the coronavirus vs. about 9% of the unvaccinated
group
. The researchers factored in other data points, including age and how much virus was circulating
in different areas, to calculate that the unvaccinated group was at even higher risk.

Wait!

So, of 7,000 people, they had 6,000 vaccinated, and only 1,000 unvaccinated?

5% tested positive in the larger group, or .05 * 6,000 = 300 people.

9% tested positive in the smaller group, or .09 * 1,000 = 90 people.

If they really thought they had a firm grasp on the facts, they would have had two roughly equal size groups.   If you ignore all but 1,000 in the first group while keeping the same 5% distribution, you get .05 * 1,000 = 50 people.  That's more than half the other number.  They are basically telling us you are almost TWICE AS LIKELY to be hospitalized from COVID if you (A) never got vaccinated, and (B) have tested positive for COVID in the last 3-6 months.

HOWEVER...
Another way to look at this is, 300 hospitalized and vaccinated adults, tested positive for COVID, but only 90 who had natural antibodies tested positive after being hospitalized.  That could be interpreted to mean that 300 out of 390 people who needed hospitalization for COVID were vaccinated -- compared to 90 out of 390 who required hospitalizations for COVID without the vaccine but with natural immunity.  That's 76% vaxxed vs. 24% unvaxxed.

They SPLIT the sample size of 7,000 and did their stats in vaxxed vs unvaxxed groups instead of using the sample size itself.

7,000 studied.
300 hospitalized w/COVID and after being vaccinated.
90 hospitalized w/COVID, not vaccinated but had tested positive for COVID 3-6 months earlier.

But, hey!  I'm just a computer science professional who studied statistics in undergrad and grad schools.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8927 on: October 29, 2021, 05:47:39 PM »
5% vs 9 %

And everyone loves their per x number per capita numbers

Lies, damn lies and statistics.
Who you gonna believe ?
Assume their all lying, or at least tayloring it to what they want to find both ways.
If you cannot equally, vigorously challenge and question both, or all, sides you’re dead in the water. ( mentally, not literally )
In my opinion.

Who you gonna believe ?

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8928 on: October 30, 2021, 07:26:52 AM »

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8929 on: October 30, 2021, 07:40:56 AM »
Enjoy!
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

aletheuo137

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8930 on: October 30, 2021, 07:44:35 AM »

But... are you wearing your face diaper?

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hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8931 on: October 30, 2021, 09:14:12 AM »
Who you gonna believe ?

Certainly not the people who have been lying about literally everything else.
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8932 on: October 30, 2021, 02:44:15 PM »
Fake news pushing the natural immunity sucks narrative hard. Stories popping up on all my feeds.

They need people to take boosters after they already caught covid. More boosters=more $.

The writing is on the wall.

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omnigun

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8933 on: October 30, 2021, 03:14:27 PM »
Fake news pushing the natural immunity sucks narrative hard. Stories popping up on all my feeds.

They need people to take boosters after they already caught covid. More boosters=more $.

The writing is on the wall.

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#fakenews

Boosters are safe.   Natural immunity isn't some magical end all.  Harder to prove to workplaces etc. 

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8934 on: October 30, 2021, 03:21:45 PM »
Fake news pushing the natural immunity sucks narrative hard. Stories popping up on all my feeds.

They need people to take boosters after they already caught covid. More boosters=more $.

The writing is on the wall.

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focus
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=43264.0

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8935 on: October 31, 2021, 04:50:51 AM »
NYC's vaccine mandate deadline for city workers expires MONDAY, with 22% of cops, 35% of firefighters and 20% of EMS yet to receive shot, triggering fears of fresh crime spike, ambulance and fire truck shortage

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10143523/NYC-braces-fewer-cops-trash-vax-deadline-looms.html
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8936 on: October 31, 2021, 08:23:03 AM »
NYC's vaccine mandate deadline for city workers expires MONDAY, with 22% of cops, 35% of firefighters and 20% of EMS yet to receive shot, triggering fears of fresh crime spike, ambulance and fire truck shortage

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10143523/NYC-braces-fewer-cops-trash-vax-deadline-looms.html
10k protested last week.

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Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8937 on: October 31, 2021, 08:34:50 AM »
10k protested last week.

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Let’s hope it did some good….
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8938 on: October 31, 2021, 01:42:39 PM »
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #8939 on: October 31, 2021, 02:29:11 PM »
Another win for the unvaxxed.

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