The COVID Cult (Read 1548628 times)

Rocky

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9960 on: December 20, 2022, 12:18:37 PM »
A collage of all the celebrities that “died suddenly” in 2022
If they added in athletes the picture would probably be 10 times as big
All a coincidence of course


Can you make a collage of all the politicians that “died suddenly”  in 2022 ?  ::)
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9961 on: December 20, 2022, 12:54:18 PM »
Can you make a collage of all the politicians that “died suddenly”  in 2022 ?  ::)


Ohhh snappppppp.

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9962 on: December 20, 2022, 03:08:23 PM »
Can you make a collage of all the politicians that “died suddenly”  in 2022 ?  ::)

Here’s one to start it with

The F in Communism stands for Food

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9963 on: December 21, 2022, 11:17:28 AM »
Here’s one to start it with



Pretty sure he meant US politicians.

Sodie

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9964 on: December 21, 2022, 05:35:15 PM »
You should read this, Sodie.  it's 'The Danish Face Mask Study", not a report of a report.

Let me know if any of the reporters made any critical errors in their retelling of the facts.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817

Annals of Internal Medicine

Effectiveness of Adding a Mask
Recommendation to Other Public Health
Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2
Infection in Danish Mask Wearers


A Randomized Controlled Trial

Since the stats are based on the trial population, and no statistical analysis was done to extrapolate the findings to the population at large, the whole standard error discussion is moot.

Just fyi.  But, still, the differences between the subgroups are 0.03 and 0.04 (they had mask wearers who complied with wear instructions, and others who didn't).

So, that margin of safety you are interested in (0.01) only applies if you always follow complete mask protocol every hour of every day without exception.  Otherwise, you lose a hundredth of a point of that safety margin.

Enjoy.

I must not be expressing my points clearly…

I am NOT saying that masks are super awesome at protecting the wearer against COVID (or any other virus).  I’m pointing out that saying “masks are totally useless” and ridiculing people who choose to wear masks based on studies that say they might not protect the person wearing them is disingenuous, because that completely leaves out any protection that masks may provide by limiting spread by people who are infected, if the infected person wears a mask. 

The study you linked is about whether a mask protects the wearer.  I’m saying that’s only half the story.  Check out this study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2?ContensisTextOnly=true

Flapp_Jackson

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9965 on: December 21, 2022, 05:51:09 PM »
I must not be expressing my points clearly…

I am NOT saying that masks are super awesome at protecting the wearer against COVID (or any other virus).  I’m pointing out that saying “masks are totally useless” and ridiculing people who choose to wear masks based on studies that say they might not protect the person wearing them is disingenuous, because that completely leaves out any protection that masks may provide by limiting spread by people who are infected, if the infected person wears a mask. 

The study you linked is about whether a mask protects the wearer.  I’m saying that’s only half the story.  Check out this study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2?ContensisTextOnly=true

Are you sure you read the whole thing?

What I linked to discussed ALL SIDES of the issue including whether it protects the wearer or the people around the wearer.  The study itself was about one thing:  does a mask make you less likely to contract COVID when used in conjunction with other measuers.

In the beginning, we were told the truth -- if you social distance (~6ft), wash your hands often, avoid large indoor gatherings and limit unnecessary trips to stores and other public places, you're doing as much as you can for avoiding catching it.  Masks were mandated as a proactive measure to appear to be "doing something" to stop the spread.

The article plainly states they are not arguing for or against masks on their own, but whether or not making them mandatory along with the other things is effective.  They found they are not.

What this explains is why the rate of infection increased when masks became mandatory most places.  When you have a false sense of security due to everyone being masked-up, you get lazy about doing all the other things we know are effective.  Hence, the argument can be made that masks were counterproductive in stopping the spread.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Sodie

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9966 on: December 21, 2022, 06:59:58 PM »
Are you sure you read the whole thing?

What I linked to discussed ALL SIDES of the issue including whether it protects the wearer or the people around the wearer.  The study itself was about one thing:  does a mask make you less likely to contract COVID when used in conjunction with other measuers.

In the beginning, we were told the truth -- if you social distance (~6ft), wash your hands often, avoid large indoor gatherings and limit unnecessary trips to stores and other public places, you're doing as much as you can for avoiding catching it.  Masks were mandated as a proactive measure to appear to be "doing something" to stop the spread.

The article plainly states they are not arguing for or against masks on their own, but whether or not making them mandatory along with the other things is effective.  They found they are not.

What this explains is why the rate of infection increased when masks became mandatory most places.  When you have a false sense of security due to everyone being masked-up, you get lazy about doing all the other things we know are effective.  Hence, the argument can be made that masks were counterproductive in stopping the spread.

Some quotes from the study you linked:

“Objective:
To assess whether recommending surgical mask use outside the home reduces wearers' risk for SARS-CoV-2 infection in a setting where masks were uncommon and not among recommended public health measures.”

“Limitation:
Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.

Observational evidence suggests that mask wearing mitigates SARS-CoV-2 transmission, but whether this observed association arises because masks protect uninfected wearers (protective effect) or because transmission is reduced from infected mask wearers (source control) is uncertain.

“The findings, however, should not be used to conclude that a recommendation for everyone to wear masks in the community would not be effective in reducing SARS-CoV-2 infections, because the trial did not test the role of masks in source control of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

Reduction in release of virus from infected persons into the environment may be the mechanism for mitigation of transmission in communities where mask use is common or mandated, as noted in observational studies.”

Although masks may also have served as source control in SARS-CoV-2–infected participants, the study was not designed to determine the effectiveness of source control.

And from the authors’ response to a comment: “We have been very clear that we studied the efficiency of masks protection for the wearer – not the effects of face masks when used by an infected individual (source control).

So they literally say several times that their study did not measure the protective factor of masks reducing transmission from infected people wearing masks.

groveler

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9967 on: December 21, 2022, 09:06:01 PM »
Here’s one to start it with


Beauty of it all is,  Democrats are dying right and left.
And will continue to do so.
Wait till China gets hit by the full impact of it's CCP policies.
Obey and you will die.
 :thumbsup:

ren

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9968 on: December 21, 2022, 09:44:16 PM »
Beauty of it all is,  Democrats are dying right and left.
And will continue to do so.
Wait till China gets hit by the full impact of it's CCP policies.
Obey and you will die.
 :thumbsup:

Wrong. Democrats are pouring over our borders in thousands
Deeds Not Words

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9969 on: December 23, 2022, 08:11:49 PM »
The F in Communism stands for Food

QUIETShooter

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9970 on: December 24, 2022, 07:43:13 AM »
There's a quack doctor on the internet trying to sell his product to cure the "Throat Phlegm" epidemic that came out of nowhere(?) and is now being manipulated by MSM to scare the masses.

This must be the new way to make money by the evil doers in government.

Manipulate the masses and the World is your Oyster.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

macsak

MassConfusion

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9972 on: December 26, 2022, 06:06:18 PM »
None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. ― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
 “The only difference between reality and fiction is that fiction needs to be credible.” ― Mark Twain

Sodie

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9973 on: December 26, 2022, 06:40:11 PM »
here you go, sodie
https://tennesseestar.com/2022/12/23/biden-covid-czar-no-study-in-the-world-that-shows-that-masks-work-that-well/

So basically what he said there is that there are no studies that show you can get 30%-80% reduction in respiratory infections through mask wearing.  That’s a far cry from saying they’re “totally useless.”

groveler

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9974 on: December 26, 2022, 06:58:03 PM »
So basically what he said there is that there are no studies that show you can get 30%-80% reduction in respiratory infections through mask wearing.  That’s a far cry from saying they’re “totally useless.”
Outside a "sterile environment", eg operating rooms,
only sick people wear masks,
so if they cough or sneeze they don't spread
their bacteria and some virus to others as quickly.
So everyone I see in public with a mask is sick
and to be avoided.
 :thumbsup:

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9975 on: December 26, 2022, 07:04:45 PM »
So basically what he said there is that there are no studies that show you can get 30%-80% reduction in respiratory infections through mask wearing.  That’s a far cry from saying they’re “totally useless.”

that's not what he said...

Sodie

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9976 on: December 26, 2022, 07:13:27 PM »
that's not what he said...

That’s literally what he said.  He said improving indoor air quality could realize reductions of 30-80% in respiratory infections, and “there is no study in the world that shows masks work that well.”

Rephrased, “there is no study in the world that shows masks work as well as improving indoor air quality would work at reducing respiratory infections.”

macsak

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9977 on: December 26, 2022, 07:23:38 PM »
That’s literally what he said.  He said improving indoor air quality could realize reductions of 30-80% in respiratory infections, and “there is no study in the world that shows masks work that well.”

Rephrased, “there is no study in the world that shows masks work as well as improving indoor air quality would work at reducing respiratory infections.”

ah, got it

hvybarrels

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9978 on: December 28, 2022, 12:03:33 AM »
Latest Theory from cancelled docs who were right about everything so far:
MRNA drugs dramatically increase likelihood of sudden death several months after injection

How it works:
Vaxxxed get sick with Covid more often and for longer duration
Symptoms feel mild because the body is treating it like an allergen rather than a dangerous virus
Without a proper immune response the virus has free reign to cause major internal organ damage, especially with cardiovascular system
Person who experienced mild cold and “recovered” from it dies suddenly

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/booster-caused-immune-tolerance-explains
The F in Communism stands for Food

changemyoil66

Re: The COVID Cult
« Reply #9979 on: December 28, 2022, 09:55:39 AM »
I was sent an interesting thought about China.

With so many deaths, those with power now can have any organs they need to survive. Which would make sense why I don't see anything on our national news about China pushing any vaxxx.  But I'll see European countries, Japan, Canada, etc...

Maybe China doesn't want those organs with a vaxxx?