Lockdowns Forever (Read 7104 times)

punaperson

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2020, 07:08:37 PM »
Huntington Beach curfew protest. Just one week after governor Gavin Newsom had an illegal indoor dinner with against-the-law more people than allowed with against-the-law mixed households with against-the-law no social distancing and against-the-law no masks, including against-the-law not replacing mask between bites, the people of Huntington Beach spoke out on exactly what they thought of criminal governor Gavin Newsom's 10 PM curfew imposition.

Again, how many people in Hawaii would protest such an "order"... or any other (idiotic irrational and useless) order? You know, like being required to wear a "cloth face covering" when you are alone at the beach.

omnigun

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2020, 07:28:01 PM »
In a country that has a constitution generally and specifically upholding fundamental individual natural/God-given rights, incorporated specifically to protect the ability to pursue "life, liberty, and happiness", private businesses would be allowed to make their own policies, and the public would be free to patronize or not patronize those businesses. If a business does not want to mandate that either their employees nor their customers be required to wear (useless) "cloth face coverings" or "social distance" or whatever, that should be the prerogative of the business... and likewise it should be the prerogative of all individuals to choose whether or not to enter that business. There's no masquerading the authoritarian attempt to control business practices that are none of their business, it's clearly statist authoritarian abuse of power.

I would support this if patrons of this business do not go into the public square or interact with non patrons.  If they went from their home to this business and no where else then their own liberties should be held.   But if they go to this business then go to a public shopping store then the risks they undertake is passed onto innocent bystanders.  Just like I believe you should be able to drink as much as you want on private property, then if you want drive on only private property that's allowed, if the owners and all users consent.  But if you go into a public street unless all public patrons consent it should not be allowed.

drck1000

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #23 on: November 22, 2020, 07:32:10 PM »
https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-restaurants-bars-other-sla-licensed-entities-must-close-person-service

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/travel-large-gatherings-and-quarantines#:~:text=Social%20Gatherings%3A%20Indoor%20and%20outdoor,limits%20are%20in%20effect%20otherwise.
Executive order... What was the “law” that you claimed was being broken? Did the lady in the video provide justification for the “inspection”? 

Or was it in response to “New York on Pause” complaint?

Does that supersede all other rights?

punaperson

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2020, 07:32:34 PM »
The Church of COVID

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-church-of-covid/

Excerpt:

It turns out that treating your customers like plague carriers is not the best way to draw people into the store. Human beings are not far from our primitive past, so we still sense danger when things are amiss. Going into a place where everyone is carrying on like the end is near triggers the flight instinct. Pet Valu made themselves a bright, flashing warning sign and people responded accordingly.

There are other factors involved in their demise, as other retail chains joined the Church of COVID and lived to tell about it. Pet Valu was the small player in the pet-supply business, and in this manufactured panic, the big fish are either eating the little fish or making it so they die on their own. Another year of this and the retail space in America will be reduced to a handful of global players like Amazon and Walmart.

That is the real story of COVID-19 in America. The public-health issue stopped being an issue in the spring. The issue now is how it has become another weapon in the hands of the ruling class. Eric Hoffer observed that in America, “What starts out here as a mass movement ends up as a racket, a cult, or a corporation.” He made that observation a half century ago when America was still a country.

Hoffer, of course, assumed it was one of the options, not all three combined like we so often see today. COVID is now a religion for the people wearing masks in the car or out for a stroll in the park. These are public acts of piety, telling the world that the person with the decorative face muffler is a true believer. Like the grimy canvas sacks they use to tote their groceries, the mask is a moral signifier.

Of course, COVID is a business and a racket, as in modern America the difference between a business and a racket is hard to tell. As soon as COVID-19 became known to us, the race was on to exploit the situation at the expense of the public. Politicians used it to turn themselves into petty tyrants and scolds. Big business saw it as a way to eliminate the competition, and their financiers saw the chance to increase their skim.

You see this in the news stories about the retailers and restaurants closing due to the COVID panic. It is the best of times for the retail oligarchs like Walmart, Target, and Amazon, while the smaller players are going bust. The chain restaurants have figured out how to implement “contactless delivery” and other mechanisms to comport with the ever-changing regulations, while the little guys have all closed.

omnigun

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2020, 09:54:51 PM »
The Church of COVID

https://www.takimag.com/article/the-church-of-covid/

Excerpt:

It turns out that treating your customers like plague carriers is not the best way to draw people into the store. Human beings are not far from our primitive past, so we still sense danger when things are amiss. Going into a place where everyone is carrying on like the end is near triggers the flight instinct. Pet Valu made themselves a bright, flashing warning sign and people responded accordingly.

There are other factors involved in their demise, as other retail chains joined the Church of COVID and lived to tell about it. Pet Valu was the small player in the pet-supply business, and in this manufactured panic, the big fish are either eating the little fish or making it so they die on their own. Another year of this and the retail space in America will be reduced to a handful of global players like Amazon and Walmart.

That is the real story of COVID-19 in America. The public-health issue stopped being an issue in the spring. The issue now is how it has become another weapon in the hands of the ruling class. Eric Hoffer observed that in America, “What starts out here as a mass movement ends up as a racket, a cult, or a corporation.” He made that observation a half century ago when America was still a country.

Hoffer, of course, assumed it was one of the options, not all three combined like we so often see today. COVID is now a religion for the people wearing masks in the car or out for a stroll in the park. These are public acts of piety, telling the world that the person with the decorative face muffler is a true believer. Like the grimy canvas sacks they use to tote their groceries, the mask is a moral signifier.

Of course, COVID is a business and a racket, as in modern America the difference between a business and a racket is hard to tell. As soon as COVID-19 became known to us, the race was on to exploit the situation at the expense of the public. Politicians used it to turn themselves into petty tyrants and scolds. Big business saw it as a way to eliminate the competition, and their financiers saw the chance to increase their skim.

You see this in the news stories about the retailers and restaurants closing due to the COVID panic. It is the best of times for the retail oligarchs like Walmart, Target, and Amazon, while the smaller players are going bust. The chain restaurants have figured out how to implement “contactless delivery” and other mechanisms to comport with the ever-changing regulations, while the little guys have all closed.

I hope you realize that this makes it sound like all religion is a bunch of hooey. 🤣   if you can make one off a virus imagine what other religions you can make and convince everyone to follow.

omnigun

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #26 on: November 22, 2020, 10:01:08 PM »
Executive order... What was the “law” that you claimed was being broken? Did the lady in the video provide justification for the “inspection”? 

Or was it in response to “New York on Pause” complaint?

Does that supersede all other rights?

Yes.  If I recall it was a gathering of 50 or so people in a building against New Yorks gathering restrictions.  Not 100% on what law but I assume it's one of the governor executive powers. The lady did announce who she was and the justification. 
Yes it supersedes some rights. 

drck1000

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2020, 10:27:34 PM »
Yes.  If I recall it was a gathering of 50 or so people in a building against New Yorks gathering restrictions.  Not 100% on what law but I assume it's one of the governor executive powers. The lady did announce who she was and the justification. 
Yes it supersedes some rights.
Listen to the video again. He asked the lady what was the justification and she didn’t have a direct answer. I believe in the video she went to look it up. Anyways, not my point beyond you just hearing what you want to hear.

Executive orders are not laws. They may have the force of law depending on the wording, but they aren’t laws. I’d have to check NY’s constitutions, but I believe that’s generally the case. It is my understanding that this wasn’t passed by NY leg. Before you scream technicality...Finally getting to the point. You not so long ago was ranting on and on about how an EO couldn’t do damage to 2a, wouldn’t “hold up” to a R Senate, etc.

Dangers of vague (or even beyond authority) language in an EO, in this case a person in “position of authority” could misuse or abuse. What would happen to a person while they challenged the EO?

The principle of the video itself aside, I was pointing out the flaws in your logic and views of freedom. You seem to have this ideal (eta) that freedom is what you want and are ok with other people’s freedoms getting taken away because of your beliefs.

Anyways, carry on. You know what you know...
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omnigun

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2020, 08:29:46 AM »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2020, 12:15:37 PM »


Have you ever studied, or taken time to learn, what a logical fallacy is?

Do some research, then come back and explain which type of fallacy this falls under.

(Hint:  It has to do with "this" equals "that", and is under the category "fallacy of inconsistency")
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2020, 12:28:46 PM »


Please post what right protects someone from not using a light? The 2nd amendmnet says "The RIGHT to bear arms", not "The LIGHT to bear arms".  Unless a chinaman read it to you.

drck1000

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2020, 12:33:37 PM »
Please post what right protects someone from not using a light? The 2nd amendmnet says "The RIGHT to bear arms", not "The LIGHT to bear arms".  Unless a chinaman read it to you.
Freedom to not be blinded...

Crap, too late...

omnigun

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2020, 01:12:07 PM »
Please post what right protects someone from not using a light? The 2nd amendmnet says "The RIGHT to bear arms", not "The LIGHT to bear arms".  Unless a chinaman read it to you.

It was mostly a joke to anti masks?  No idea where you got 2nd amendment out of this.

changemyoil66

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2020, 01:45:05 PM »
It was mostly a joke to anti masks?  No idea where you got 2nd amendment out of this.

A joke cause Right can sound like Light in asian accent.

Rocky

Re: Lockdowns Forever
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2020, 09:45:24 AM »
   Ya'll quit yur bitch'n  :grrr:

Since March 6, 2020 when his majesty David Ige, declared a state of emergency in the state of Hawaii,  134-7.2   :geekdanc:
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