the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away (Read 14287 times)

omnigun

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2020, 01:47:02 PM »
Just saying...

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Lol truth.  Hate speech is free speech. Democrats don't seem to understand that.

Inspector

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2020, 06:44:56 AM »
Just saying...

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This also means the mask wearing mandate. Too many are allowing their freedom to be violated in the name of public safety. Unfortunately, these people are allowing the government to take away their freedom. If you accept it, then you are part of the problem.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

robtmc

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2020, 10:45:47 AM »
Armed citizens is what keep you f*ckers honest.  Long live 2a.  Long live the Republic.
No idea which congress critter  said it, but the quote went something like "The Second Amendment is about hunting politicians"

aletheuo137

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2020, 11:20:19 AM »
No idea which congress critter  said it, but the quote went something like "The Second Amendment is about hunting politicians"
Can you say ignoramus

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2020, 11:59:37 AM »
No idea which congress critter  said it, but the quote went something like "The Second Amendment is about hunting politicians"

When Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp testified before a Congressional panel after her parents were murdered at Luby's Cafeteria in 1991, she said:

Quote
I've been sitting here getting more and more fed up with all of this talk about these
pieces of machinery having no legitimate sporting purpose.  No legitimate hunting
purpose. 

People, that is not the point of the Second Amendment.  The Second Amendment
is not about duck hunting.  And I know I'm not going to make very many friends
saying this. It's about our rights ... all of our rights [pointing to the audience] ... to be
able to protect ourselves from all of you guys up there [pointing to the members of
Congress on stage].

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2020, 10:00:11 AM »
People ARE saying that -- people like Mike "Dirty Jobs" Rowe.  But the people saying it don't make the MSM headlines.

The kids and parents are being lied to.  They are told the kids NEED these degrees to get top paying jobs.  In fact, most of the grads not only can't find those jobs in those fields, but they start  out their adulthood saddled with more debt than almost anyone ever did straight out of college 15+ years ago.

There are some who pay their own way through scholarships, grants, and actually earning minimum wage as they go.  Others work a couple of years and then apply to college with money they saved.  Still others use military and private employer benefits to afford school.

I like the idea of joining the military to eventually go to college.  My friends always tell me their sons doesn't know what to do with their life after H.S.  I tell them they should join the military and they have programs where they accrue points to use for college tuition.  And if college is not their interest there are countless MOS in the military that will enable them to get jobs after they get out.

I remember college points were offered to recruits who joined the Army, Army reserves, or National Guard.  But back then, to fill the front-line combat positions that nobody wanted, the college points were more attractive and generous for those willing to join infantry, cavalry, and other frontline combat MOS.

There were many guys in my unit who joined specifically for the opportunity to go to college after their service.

I don't know, I'm sure today it is open to more than just those positions.

Serving your country, attaining maturity beyond your years, and learning discipline and perseverance, while earning credits to go to college on the governments dime.  I'm hard pressed to find another way for a young person to become a fine citizen of the United States.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

zippz

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2020, 11:22:00 AM »
The problem, and the fix, is with the children who don't get taught Constitutional rights, morals, and individual responsibility.  Most of the problems we have in society can be traced back to that...homelessness, crime, welfare state, restrictions on rights, etc.  I got taught some of these things in public school and I imagine it's less so now.  Most of it I learned from family, friends,work in the military, and community groups and activities like karate taught discipline, firearms taught me responsibility, and volunteer service showed me that I had a responsibility for the community.

A lot of that is gone today.  Schools are focused on technical skills and teachers teach the children the opposite of what they should know.  Parents don't know any better or expect the schools to do everything.  And kids are focused on gadgets, fame, and expect everything to be done for them.

Kuleana

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2020, 12:54:54 PM »
You can't fix something that is way beyond repair.

For any nation state to exist, there are certain criteria that needs to be present.  For most successful nations that stood the test of time, we can see that having a predominant homogenous racial and ethnic population, culture, and religion are some of the most important factors.  However, once those items are no longer present, that nation state will become unstable internally.  Moreover, once you factor political and economic corruption, runaway national debt and money printing, unsustainable imperial foreign policy, etc., that nation state will eventually collapse.

The US republic is long since dead; and the oligopolistic-lead US empire is on its last decade(s).  Can America turn things around?  Probably not, as history has already showed that once your nation is in decline, you are already, on your way out, like the other failed nations, in the past.

Even if Trump manages to stay in-power, for the next four years, what happens after?  Will democrats and republicans come together and unify as one?

America is internally divided more than ever and that appears unlikely to change, in the future.  Hence, the end of America, in its current nation state form, is inevitable.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2020, 03:22:57 PM »
I like the idea of joining the military to eventually go to college.  My friends always tell me their sons doesn't know what to do with their life after H.S.  I tell them they should join the military and they have programs where they accrue points to use for college tuition.  And if college is not their interest there are countless MOS in the military that will enable them to get jobs after they get out.

I remember college points were offered to recruits who joined the Army, Army reserves, or National Guard.  But back then, to fill the front-line combat positions that nobody wanted, the college points were more attractive and generous for those willing to join infantry, cavalry, and other frontline combat MOS.

There were many guys in my unit who joined specifically for the opportunity to go to college after their service.

I don't know, I'm sure today it is open to more than just those positions.

Serving your country, attaining maturity beyond your years, and learning discipline and perseverance, while earning credits to go to college on the governments dime.  I'm hard pressed to find another way for a young person to become a fine citizen of the United States.

The GI Bill has changed more times than I can keep up with.  I joined under the "new" GI Bill plan, that allowed us to save money into an account that would be matched 2 or 3 times up to a set maximum.  Then, that could be withdrawn tax-free to spend on expenses while attending college.  The money is basically yours to use for tuition, school expenses or just paying rent and utilities.  If you find other financial assistance, like a scholarship, to pay tuition, you still get the benefit.  One stipulation is it had be withdrawn over the course of your schooling, not in a lump sum.

No idea what the current GI Bill options are.

There are also other programs for enlisted to get degrees, depending on which service.  You can do half your degree in your free time, then apply to attend school full time to finish the degree.  Or, you can have your job certify you have X years experience and training in a given subject, upon which the school may issue college credits in lieu of taking the classes.  Probably what you meant by credits.  In the Air Force, I think the credits are issued under the Community College of the Air Force.  If those credits transfer to a private school's degree program, you are that much closer to a degree without having to take the classes.

If you want to be an officer, there are ROTC and Academy paths for enlisted.  Officer Training School (OTS) is only available if you already have a degree, so it makes more sense to compete for an Academy appointment (done by each state's representatives), or applying for an ROTC scholarship.  Mine paid for all 4 years' tuition and fees, plus a monthly subsistence, straight out of high school.  If you are accepted, you are enlisted in the reserves under contract while in school full time.  Upon graduation, you are commissioned as an officer and separated from your enlistment at the same time.  If you are an officer with a degree, there are more programs to help with getting an advanced degree.

If you take advantage, the military has something almost everyone can use to get their degree either 100% paid for or nearly so.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2020, 08:58:49 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2020, 03:38:39 PM »
Can America turn things around? 


That was actually what Trump was doing by drawing back troops, taxing China, and stopping the flood of illegal immigration. Those were unforgivable sins in the eyes of the aristocracy who think they know everything and sincerely believe despite all evidence to the contrary that they can successfully guide us through a Great Reset

Americans want to do the right thing, and If we can fix the broken election system and clean house then we have a chance. The swamp monsters currently have us heading for disaster again but they suck at their job, so there definitely can be a less-suicidal version of the United States of America going forward if we can figure out how to disentangle ourselves from the empire role and rediscover a national identity that is built on a more solid foundation.

The first step is to get rid of all the Chinese loyalists and/or those who may have been compromised by them like Biden. A large percentage of our military tech has probably has backdoors built into it by now thanks to infiltration in the universities and political bribes. 
Is an armadillo just a tactical opossum?

aletheuo137

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2020, 12:17:24 PM »
The first step is to get rid of all the Chinese loyalists and/or those who may have been compromised by them like Biden. A large percentage of our military tech has probably has backdoors built into it by now thanks to infiltration in the universities and political bribes.

That's a tall order, but we have too!

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SodGod808

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2020, 02:32:53 PM »
Aloha
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hvybarrels

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2020, 03:43:53 PM »
Open your eyes, Freedom is DEAD, this was never the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. Slavery never ended in this country it just grew to include EVERYONE, blacks, whites and every color in between. We are all Free Range Slaves, get use to it. The great experiment failed.

The danger about getting all nihilistic is that we can easily replace our broken system with something 100% functional yet far more horrible than most people can imagine.
Is an armadillo just a tactical opossum?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2020, 04:26:09 PM »
Open your eyes, Freedom is DEAD, this was never the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. Slavery never ended in this country it just grew to include EVERYONE, blacks, whites and every color in between. We are all Free Range Slaves, get use to it. The great experiment failed.

The danger about getting all nihilistic is that we can easily replace our broken system with something 100% functional yet far more horrible than most people can imagine.

The great experiment created the greatest Super Power on the planet out of the youngest of all former and current Super Powers.

It created a society in which our poverty level and quality of life is far above most advanced nations.

It created a society in which innovation and discoveries reward the inventors, motivating technological breakthroughs at miraculous rates.

It created a societal structure that offers the opportunity to better your position in life.  Anyone can move up into a higher socio-economic class regardless of which class you were born into.

Name another "failed experiment" where a mixed-race nobody from Hawaii could become the leader of his nation & of the free world.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Rocky

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2020, 05:23:46 PM »
The great experiment created the greatest Super Power on the planet out of the youngest of all former and current Super Powers.
It created a society in which our poverty level and quality of life is far above most advanced nations.
It created a society in which innovation and discoveries reward the inventors, motivating technological breakthroughs at miraculous rates.
It created a societal structure that offers the opportunity to better your position in life.  Anyone can move up into a higher socio-economic class regardless of which class you were born into.
Name another "failed experiment" where a mixed-race nobody from Hawaii could become the leader of his nation & of the free world.
I agree 100% and then some except for the " a mixed-race nobody from Hawaii could become the leader of his nation & of the free world." part.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2020, 05:26:51 PM »
I agree 100% and then some except for the " a mixed-race nobody from Hawaii could become the leader of his nation & of the free world." part.
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

That was an extreme example.

He proved the old adage, "In America, anybody can grow up to be president," is still true -- no matter how qualified you are!   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

SodGod808

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2020, 06:31:57 PM »
Aloha
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SodGod808

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2020, 06:36:54 PM »
Aloha
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aletheuo137

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2020, 06:57:01 PM »
Flapp, I like your views most of the time but you definitely drank to much of uncle sams kool-aid. Uncle Sam became a SUPER POWER by theft and oppression, if you can’t see that this nation is the most morally bankrupt place on earth I don’t know what else to say. Besides this thread is about Freedom or the lack there of. All 6 of your examples have nothing to do with freedom or the loss of it. And come on, a “mixed-race nobody from Hawaii” I don’t agree with that guy but he does have a pretty impressive life resume.
Another one! Keeps it entertaining though.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: the extinction of freedom is probably less than a generation away
« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2020, 07:25:42 PM »
Flapp, I like your views most of the time but you definitely drank to much of uncle sams kool-aid. Uncle Sam became a SUPER POWER by theft and oppression, if you can’t see that this nation is the most morally bankrupt place on earth I don’t know what else to say. Besides this thread is about Freedom or the lack there of. All 6 of your examples have nothing to do with freedom or the loss of it. And come on, a “mixed-race nobody from Hawaii” I don’t agree with that guy but he does have a pretty impressive life resume.

You mean England, France, Spain and Russia used theft.  Remember, the Colonies were under British rule when they were settled in New England (hence the name).  Southern areas like Florida and Louisiana were settled by the Spanish and French.  Alaska was a Russian territory.  I seem to remember the entire Louisiana Territory was purchased from  France in 1803.  Alaska was purchased from Russia in 1867. 

Yeah, sure, there were territories that were taken under the Doctrine of Manifest Destiny, but not all of it was occupied by Native Americans nor anybody else.  Combining the real estate from coast to coast under one government was key to creating a nation with oceans providing shipping and protection on the Eastern and Western borders.  It was a strategy that paid off big time.

I reject your premise that the US only used theft and oppression to become great.  Slavery was ended via a civil war among our own people.  Name another country that went to such great and horrible lengths to end slavery and become the defender of civil rights.  Hell, most countries in the world have no protections for individual freedoms AT ALL.  And the protections they do provide are not based on universal moral rights, but rather the rights the government decides you have -- which are few and watered down.

As for Obama's upbringing, you're entitled to your opinion.  I might have a higher opinion of his pre-election personal history if he hadn't spent millions covering it all up.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw