House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo (Read 9127 times)

punaperson

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2020, 10:31:55 AM »
Treating medical conditions (like drug addiction) as a crime makes about as much sense as treating gun crime as a public health issue.
Do you believe "habitual" cannabis users "drug addicts"?

zippz

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2020, 02:36:00 PM »
There should be no illegal intoxicants (heroin, meth, etc.) of any kind, correct?

Only penalties for endangering behavior while under the influence?

Government support for the "users" in the form of the drugs themselves and/or apparatus for use (syringes, pipes, etc.)?

Just askin'.

And if that array of activities is made fully legal, how could the same government deny physicians the ability to legally help painlessly euthanize anyone psychologically competent who asked for it?

I am against drug use, however I see it as a Federal constitutional issue and Federal government overreach.

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/drug-legalization-right-control-body

But we have never passed a constitutional amendment granting the federal government any power to ban marijuana, or cocaine or other drugs. The federal government’s contemporary prohibition policy is an illegal and unconstitutional usurpation of a power never granted to it.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2020, 02:51:39 PM »
I am against drug use, however I see it as a Federal constitutional issue and Federal government overreach.

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/drug-legalization-right-control-body

But we have never passed a constitutional amendment granting the federal government any power to ban marijuana, or cocaine or other drugs. The federal government’s contemporary prohibition policy is an illegal and unconstitutional usurpation of a power never granted to it.

You have a point, since it took a Constitutional Amendment to prohibit alcohol production, distribution, sales and possession.  No such amendment exists for the same prohibition of narcotics, which could contain an exemption for medicinal use when prescribed by a doctor.
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hvybarrels

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2020, 01:59:54 AM »
Do you believe "habitual" cannabis users "drug addicts"?

Depends on how strict we are being with definitions here. Do you consider coffee drinkers drug addicts? Technically they display some of those behaviors. The real question is if there are relatively harmless addictions that the government has no legitimate business regulating (beyond limiting access to minors).
Is an armadillo just a tactical opossum?

changemyoil66

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2020, 09:28:12 PM »
Depends on how strict we are being with definitions here. Do you consider coffee drinkers drug addicts? Technically they display some of those behaviors. The real question is if there are relatively harmless addictions that the government has no legitimate business regulating (beyond limiting access to minors).
Caffeine is classified as a drug.

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changemyoil66

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2020, 08:38:27 PM »
So 88.9 station radio mentioned theres a 5% tax included that has to be allocated to people disimportioned.

Idk wtf that means, money in peoples pocket if they got arrested? Sounds like a good reason to not pass in the senate.

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omnigun

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2020, 10:09:11 PM »
So 88.9 station radio mentioned theres a 5% tax included that has to be allocated to people disimportioned.

Idk wtf that means, money in peoples pocket if they got arrested? Sounds like a good reason to not pass in the senate.

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Its probably some program to help those non violent released prisoners get their life back together.  Didn't read 100% of the law, but that makes the most sense.  I find that to be reasonable tbh.  If you are non violent and got convicted for just pot and your life was ruined, now they make pot legal you should be freed and helped back a bit to get your life back together.

macsak

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2020, 10:23:03 PM »
Its probably some program to help those non violent released prisoners get their life back together.  Didn't read 100% of the law, but that makes the most sense.  I find that to be reasonable tbh.  If you are non violent and got convicted for just pot and your life was ruined, now they make pot legal you should be freed and helped back a bit to get your life back together.

if it makes sense to you and you find it reasonable, then it has to be true...
settled science!

eyeeatingfish

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2020, 08:12:18 PM »
Not a fan of it, never tried it though. Personally I do support the legalization of it however they should hit hard on anyone driving intoxicated with it.

zippz

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2020, 08:40:22 PM »
Not a fan of it, never tried it though. Personally I do support the legalization of it however they should hit hard on anyone driving intoxicated with it.

I don't understand why people have to smoke it in the car.  I can understand tobacco cause it's addicting, but not marijuana.

hvybarrels

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2020, 11:14:35 PM »
Caffeine is classified as a drug.

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Caffeine has also killed way more people than cannabis
Is an armadillo just a tactical opossum?

eyeeatingfish

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #31 on: December 10, 2020, 08:07:00 PM »
Caffeine has also killed way more people than cannabis

Really? Never seen any death numbers attributed to caffeine. But I guess you would measure that against the amount of lives saved by caffeine too, like people not crashing from being tired.

changemyoil66

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2020, 08:33:53 PM »
Really? Never seen any death numbers attributed to caffeine. But I guess you would measure that against the amount of lives saved by caffeine too, like people not crashing from being tired.
That kid who drank many monsters.

No one OD'd on pakalolo. So 1-0 caffeine.

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changemyoil66

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2020, 08:35:51 PM »
Its probably some program to help those non violent released prisoners get their life back together.  Didn't read 100% of the law, but that makes the most sense.  I find that to be reasonable tbh.  If you are non violent and got convicted for just pot and your life was ruined, now they make pot legal you should be freed and helped back a bit to get your life back together.
Pot is illegal federally and depending on the state u got arrested in as well.  So possessing pot  is on them. No one else to blame. It is illegal at the time of arrest and guilty verdict.

There should be no help to get back on your feet. Make bad choices, suffer the consequences.

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zippz

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2020, 08:46:59 AM »
My position is the Feds should stay out of it except for taxes and importation bans or tariffs as authorized by the US Constitution.

Any action should be done at the state level, and only as necessary for highly addictive drugs, like crystal meth.  If people want to screw themselves over willingly, then I got no problems with it as long as they don't hurt others and they don't use government resources.  Marijuana is the least of our worries and should be treated as such.

At the same time the community should take responsibility.  Shame people using, selling, and manufacturing drugs.  Run prevention programs.  Provide support for rehab.

changemyoil66

Re: House passes bill to legalize Pakalolo
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2020, 11:34:47 AM »
Not a fan of it, never tried it though. Personally I do support the legalization of it however they should hit hard on anyone driving intoxicated with it.

They do ask you that question for your work.  Cannot even consume in a legal state due to federal law.