Honolulu, sell your cars! No need cars anymore!
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/26891/Keeping-Traffic-Jammed-King-Street-Bus-Lane-Opens-One-Block-South-of-Hotel-Street-Busway.aspx

“We’ve been supporting Honolulu and 24 other cities in making it safer and easier to hop on a bus, ride your bike, or walk around town,” said Amanda Eaken, the transportation director of the Bloomberg Philanthropies American Cities Climate Challenge at NRDC. “While we all know that public transportation is an affordable option and a green option, it should be a fast option, too. That’s why I’m so excited about this new bus lane, the first in Honolulu since the ‘80s and along the state’s busiest bus corridor. Residents will be able to get where they need to go more safely and more quickly, all while supporting a more sustainable and resilient Honolulu.”

Aren't we so glad that we have such a thoughtful Mayor that he listens to a billionaire rather than to his own constituents! Bravo!

This is a good thing.  Public transport should be embraced not demonized.  One day I hope to end up like Tokyo.

This is a good thing.  Public transport should be embraced not demonized.  One day I hope to end up like Tokyo.

You mean so overcrowded that you need workers to stuff people onto the trains?

This is a good thing.  Public transport should be embraced not demonized.  One day I hope to end up like Tokyo.

I don't live on Oahu nor would I ever, but you know your cheesy choo choo
will cost you $11,000 per person in Honolulu county
even if it never runs a single day?
And it won't be done till 2033?
Japanese are a noble people and a great culture,
but I think I'll stick with my American deplorables.
Country boys will survive.

You mean so overcrowded that you need workers to stuff people onto the trains?

Sure.  That's fine with me.  But the point I was trying to get at is, Japans efficient use of transportation, geting people from one place to another.  AKA trains > cars.

One day I hope to end up like Tokyo.

Are you high ?!
I want some of what you’re smokin’

https://www.tokyometro.jp/en/subwaymap/img/img_01.png

They have multi-level malls underground at some subway stations.
Lines going every which way but loose.

We live on an island with a water table.
Costs us umpteen billion to build 1 two way line above ground which messes up traffic even more causing even more emissions and worse gas mileage.
Can’t even get the line to U.H.

You are a dreamer.

You are a dreamer.

Huh. I can think of about 73 words that are better descriptors.

Until the corona virus is brought under control, people will be very reluctant to be packed in like sardines in a train car with many strangers.
Social distancing on a heavy rail system will drive up the cost per passenger. People will be more inclined to use their own cars or even ride sharing like lyft and uber.

Sure.  That's fine with me.  But the point I was trying to get at is, Japans efficient use of transportation, geting people from one place to another.  AKA trains > cars.

They do have a problem with sukebes gropping women on crowded trains. Just saying.

Taiwan would be a better example. Or any country that doesnt have to have employees shove people in a train.

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Actually CMO, Taiwan is another good example of a bad example for Honolulu. (Not as bad as Tokyo or NYC though.)
Though the Politicians are aiming for Singapore for Kakaako and lining developers pockets. (And possibly their own or their relatives.)

Honolulu’s rail is gonna look like this.     A_______b_______C______d_______E_________F stations. (One line)

They do have a problem with sukebes gropping women on crowded trains. Just saying.

Taiwan would be a better example. Or any country that doesnt have to have employees shove people in a train.

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I've never been there was just going by life experience.  I actually didn't mind newyorks subways.  When I was up there for a few weeks that was my only method of transportation. Didn't even miss cars. 

And yes I realize it probably won't work in Hawaii but one can dream.  I like the rail,  think it should go from West Oahu college to UH and even one day around the island.  Then hopefully a future of driverless cars that work like communal uber/bus  No need for everyone to drive or extra parking. 

I've never been there was just going by life experience.  I actually didn't mind newyorks subways.  When I was up there for a few weeks that was my only method of transportation. Didn't even miss cars. 

And yes I realize it probably won't work in Hawaii but one can dream.  I like the rail,  think it should go from West Oahu college to UH and even one day around the island.  Then hopefully a future of driverless cars that work like communal uber/bus  No need for everyone to drive or extra parking.

You mean everybody but the rich and politically powerful -- like DeBalsio who takes a convoy of 2-3 SUVs to work out just a few blocks from his office.

If you think the elected officials on Oahu will be taking the rail like the "regular folks", you're sadly ignorant.  But, hey, as long as we free up the roads so THEY can get to work and meetings quicker, it's the least we can do as serfs.

I've never been there was just going by life experience.  I actually didn't mind newyorks subways.  When I was up there for a few weeks that was my only method of transportation. Didn't even miss cars. 

And yes I realize it probably won't work in Hawaii but one can dream.  I like the rail,  think it should go from West Oahu college to UH and even one day around the island.  Then hopefully a future of driverless cars that work like communal uber/bus  No need for everyone to drive or extra parking.

I lived in Japan for 15 years. Tokyo is not as great as you think and while the train/bus/subway system is pretty nice it’s not all it’s made up to be.... Tokyo train stations are mobbed during rush hour and when you get shoved into an already packed train car to the point you can barely breathe you’ll quickly come to the realization that it actually sucks. Why don’t you use the brain that God gave you and use it before you make stupid statements comparing Tokyo to Honolulu when you’ve never been in Tokyo, Yokohama, Osaka etc. I’d love to have some of the stuff you’re smoking......

Public transportation and especially the rail would have worked really good for my tree service business when I lived on Oahu.  Kidding aside,  unless you have a job where everything you need for the day fits in a small backpack and you don't need to travel during work, public transportation won't work for you. A couple years ago when the cost to complete the rail was estimated at $7.8B and take another 5 years, I posted on here that my estimate was $10B and 10 years.  Even that was way off from what numbers are being tossed around now.  My new guess is $15B to get it to Ala Moana and completed in 2040.  Actually, I think it will just stop at Middle Street because it will be too expensive to go any further.   They should have listened to the Filipino who wanted to expand the bus system for $350M. That would have been in full operation 8 years ago.

They should have listened to the Filipino who wanted to expand the bus system for $350M. That would have been in full operation 8 years ago.

I'm guessing the kickbacks and "favors" were far too small to consider an efficient public bus system... you need to get up into the double digit billions before the graft really starts to flow...

no worries, caldwell get one REALLY long extension cord...

Honolulu, sell your cars! No need cars anymore!
http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/ID/26891/Keeping-Traffic-Jammed-King-Street-Bus-Lane-Opens-One-Block-South-of-Hotel-Street-Busway.aspx

“We’ve been supporting Honolulu and 24 other cities in making it safer and easier to hop on a bus, ride your bike, or walk around town,” said Amanda Eaken, the transportation director of the Bloomberg Philanthropies American Cities Climate Challenge at NRDC. “While we all know that public transportation is an affordable option and a green option, it should be a fast option, too. That’s why I’m so excited about this new bus lane, the first in Honolulu since the ‘80s and along the state’s busiest bus corridor. Residents will be able to get where they need to go more safely and more quickly, all while supporting a more sustainable and resilient Honolulu.”

Aren't we so glad that we have such a thoughtful Mayor that he listens to a billionaire rather than to his own constituents! Bravo!

And yes I realize it probably won't work in Hawaii but one can dream.  I like the rail,  think it should go from West Oahu college to UH and even one day around the island.

Dude ! What ?!

Think this shit through.
Kids in school, maybe private school In town. Off the rail line. Two kids in 2 different schools. After school practice for whatever activity.
What you gonna do? Tell em walk the 2 miles to the rail then get off and walk the mile to practice with their equipment ?

Go tell Waimanalo, Waiahole, Waikane, Laie, Kahuku and the whole north shore you want to run a rail through there.
Of course Waialae to Hawaii Kai run, those folks will shut it down.
Can’t do anything to upset life or views in the rich neighborhoods..

Keep dreaming.
We’re basically gonna get a point A to point B rail to get the hotel workers to Waikiki. And they’ll still need to transfer to the bus.
Or to get the rich condo owners from the Ward Village areas to The SALT district for an upscale meal and drinks and back to Ward. 2miles away.

The Filipino and the Greek had this shit semi-figured out but the rail got pushed through. ( I agree with PunaP on the graft.)
And this bus lane is fawked. Bike lane, bus lane....where’s the car lane ?

It’s nice to have dreams, but at some point you gotta wake up.

I lived in Japan for 15 years. Tokyo is not as great as you think and while the train/bus/subway system is pretty nice it’s not all it’s made up to be.... Tokyo train stations are mobbed during rush hour and when you get shoved into an already packed train car to the point you can barely breathe you’ll quickly come to the realization that it actually sucks. Why don’t you use the brain that God gave you and use it before you make stupid statements comparing Tokyo to Honolulu when you’ve never been in Tokyo, Yokohama, Osaka etc. I’d love to have some of the stuff you’re smoking......

I've been to Japan all those cities for months.... if you read what I wrote, I said I never been to Taiwan so I couldn't comment on that.

I also said I know we are not exactly alike. But those no reason why we can't grow into something similar over time.   Also I never said there were no downsides to it.   But I believe 6 the benefits can outweigh the negatives.

Dude ! What ?!

Think this shit through.
Kids in school, maybe private school In town. Off the rail line. Two kids in 2 different schools. After school practice for whatever activity.
What you gonna do? Tell em walk the 2 miles to the rail then get off and walk the mile to practice with their equipment ?

Go tell Waimanalo, Waiahole, Waikane, Laie, Kahuku and the whole north shore you want to run a rail through there.
Of course Waialae to Hawaii Kai run, those folks will shut it down.
Can’t do anything to upset life or views in the rich neighborhoods..

Keep dreaming.
We’re basically gonna get a point A to point B rail to get the hotel workers to Waikiki. And they’ll still need to transfer to the bus.
Or to get the rich condo owners from the Ward Village areas to The SALT district for an upscale meal and drinks and back to Ward. 2miles away.

The Filipino and the Greek had this shit semi-figured out but the rail got pushed through. ( I agree with PunaP on the graft.)
And this bus lane is fawked. Bike lane, bus lane....where’s the car lane ?

It’s nice to have dreams, but at some point you gotta wake up.

You know the whole point is to get people to a general area where they take busses etc to their final destination.... right?  Atleast in the current model atleast. I would love to have enough rail that goes everywhere one day. 

no, you didn't
"I've never been there was just going by life experience"

I've been to Japan all those cities for months.... if you read what I wrote, I said I never been to Taiwan so I couldn't comment on that.

I also said I know we are not exactly alike. But those no reason why we can't grow into something similar over time.