Expunging registrations (Read 6507 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Expunging registrations
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2020, 12:22:55 PM »
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Received a reply from HPD this morning.  There 'tis:

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From: HPD Firearm <hpdfirearm@honolulu.gov>
To: "Flapp Jackson"
Subject: RE: TN 12-17-2020 19-05-03 - Senate Bill 3054 SD 2 - Moving Firearms Out of State
Date:  December 18, 2020  8:19 AM

Aloha, 
 
Anyone moving out of the state just has to write a letter stating they are moving out of state
on what date and list all firearms that they are taking. They cannot say “all firearms registered’,
it has to be listed individually with make and serial number. They would mail that into:

HPD/Firearms
801 S Beretania Street
Honolulu 96813

For more information please call 723-3188.
 
HPD Firearms

(email text edited for formatting)

Even though the response was specific to the owner moving out of state, the same process should be used when moving just your firearms out of the state, too.  This is my interpretation, so if you're not sure, just call the number provided:  723-3188.

Personally, I would attach a copy of the HPD Firearm Registration form for each firearm leaving the state -- to be 100% sure they can easily locate my registration.  That's apparently not needed, but I like to do what I can to make sure nothing falls through the cracks, especially if it represents a $250/firearm penalty.

If anyone does this, and HPD says you didn't follow their procedures, contact me.  I can forward you the email from HPD Firearms as documentation.

 :shaka:
« Last Edit: December 18, 2020, 01:06:33 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
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changemyoil66

Re: Expunging registrations
« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2020, 03:25:17 PM »
Then a firearm thats not on their list is listed...

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Expunging registrations
« Reply #22 on: December 18, 2020, 04:38:33 PM »
Then a firearm thats not on their list is listed...

That's another reason to include a copy of the HPD Firearm Registration form.

If you can't find a form, do some research (go to HPD records?) and decide whether you even need to report it.  No registration on file = no need to report it leaving.

You:  "Hi.  I seem to have misplaced my registration form for my 9mm Glock.  Can you check to see if you have the original so I can get a copy?"

Clerk:  "Sorry. I don't see a firearm of that type with that serial number registered to you. Are you sure the information you gave me is correct?"

You:  "I'm not sure.  My wife read the serial number to me.  She might have read it wrong, or I wrote it down wrong.  I'll go home and check. Thanks!"

Getting caught with an unregistered firearm is a crime.  Not reporting that it left the state is a civil fine.  You do the math.

Never volunteer information.
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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mrgaf

Re: Expunging registrations
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2020, 07:17:03 PM »
So let’s say you move to Wyoming never to return, take your firearms with you and say screw HPD I’m out of the state. How can they enforce? ???
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changemyoil66

Re: Expunging registrations
« Reply #24 on: December 18, 2020, 07:32:38 PM »
So let’s say you move to Wyoming never to return, take your firearms with you and say screw HPD I’m out of the state. How can they enforce? ???
Cant, thats why this law is stupid. Imagine how it can affect the military if hpd finds out. Now u have a firearm charge and lose clearances.

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Expunging registrations
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2020, 07:47:09 PM »
Cant, thats why this law is stupid. Imagine how it can affect the military if hpd finds out. Now u have a firearm charge and lose clearances.

Yep.  First, they have to find out.  if nobody tells them, the only way I imagine they would know is if your change of residence gets sent to them -- which might be one thing they want to use RapBack for (assuming they ever get it working).

In fact, this law change may be HPD's way of learning you're leaving, so they can unsubscribe you from RapBack.  If they leave you subscribed, they would get reports on you even though you are no longer a HI resident ... eventually.

This whole thing is so screwed up, it's difficult to apply logic and reasoning.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw