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omnigun

ATF unable to enforce laws on AR15's and others?
« on: December 22, 2020, 03:20:31 PM »
Saw this posted on another site.  Brings up interesting questions on the future of firearms and regulation.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/us/ex-atf-agent-ar-15/index.html
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ren

Re: ATF unable to enforce laws on AR15's and others?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2020, 03:34:57 PM »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: ATF unable to enforce laws on AR15's and others?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2020, 04:04:33 PM »
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the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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ren

Re: ATF unable to enforce laws on AR15's and others?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2020, 04:49:14 PM »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: ATF unable to enforce laws on AR15's and others?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2020, 04:50:31 PM »
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: ATF unable to enforce laws on AR15's and others?
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2020, 04:58:06 PM »
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: ATF unable to enforce laws on AR15's and others?
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2020, 09:14:30 AM »
Long story short, even if you win in court, it will cost you lots of $$$ to fight any charges.  Plus also maybe your job because it would be a federal indictment.  So the thought that they cannot enforce it is not good enough. 

You will still be arrested, have to post bail, have all your firearms confiscated, find an attorney.  Then go thru the court system.  Then if you're found not guilty, you will have to go thru the process of getting all your firearms back. Who knows if you will get all your ammo back as well since the court system can take years.  HPD might just "dump" the ammo.
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aieahound

Re: ATF unable to enforce laws on AR15's and others?
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2020, 10:38:48 AM »
Quote from: omnigun on December 22, 2020, 03:20:31 PM
Saw this posted on another site.  Brings up interesting questions on the future of firearms and regulation.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/us/ex-atf-agent-ar-15/index.html

Article is a good summarization of the issue at hand.

Quote from: changemyoil66 on December 23, 2020, 09:14:30 AM
Long story short, even if you win in court, it will cost you lots of $$$ to fight any charges.  Plus also maybe your job because it would be a federal indictment.  So the thought that they cannot enforce it is not good enough. 

You will still be arrested, have to post bail, have all your firearms confiscated, find an attorney.  Then go thru the court system.  Then if you're found not guilty, you will have to go thru the process of getting all your firearms back. Who knows if you will get all your ammo back as well since the court system can take years.  HPD might just "dump" the ammo.

Of course always still true and a great point.
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zippz

Re: ATF unable to enforce laws on AR15's and others?
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2020, 02:17:07 PM »
Quote from: omnigun on December 22, 2020, 03:20:31 PM
Saw this posted on another site.  Brings up interesting questions on the future of firearms and regulation.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/07/us/ex-atf-agent-ar-15/index.html

Wish I knew about this earlier this year so I could fly him in to testify.
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groveler

Re: ATF unable to enforce laws on AR15's and others?
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2020, 04:50:57 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on December 22, 2020, 04:58:06 PM
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You going to make me interpret this for every one?
First word is "This".
Meh.
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