In case some of you had not heard, the congress started counting the electoral votes again last night. And as expected Joe Biden was verified as the president elect.

I am disappointed in Pence that he didn’t do everything in his constitutional powers to allow a bipartisan panel to investigate the election tampering/fraud activity, I think if the panel were to find fraud then we would see the election completed per the constitution. If they didn’t find any fraud then it would assure the people that the election was clean. I believe this would have been the best scenario for all of us because transparency is something all of us want.

I am more disappointed and place most of the blame on the state legislatures in the 6 states where the fraud took place. They were still in session and had a chance to address all of the fraudulent activity and come to a proper transparent conclusion BEFORE the electoral vote count. But they waited until after they were out of session to try and do something. It was too late by then.

So we have a New Democrat president, and we have a New Democrat controlled congress. I can’t predict the future, but with complete control of the presidency and congress I expect we will see a lot of corrupted behavior. We can see signing on to the UN gun policy or worse, we could see court packing, we could see forced political correctness, and we will see most of our taxpayer dollars going to pay off those that help steal the election for the democrats. We will now see our taxes raised back to Obama years per Biden’s own words. We will see more of BLM and Antifa demanding power and land than we are already seeing. And they will do it in a way that the naive will believe it is for their own good. It will remain to be seen how they will warp and/or corrupt our country and its systems. I am old and will see it happen in my lifetime. But I won’t live long enough to see all the ramifications and the long term fallout of what these politicians are going to do to us for at least the next 2 years.

Those who predicted a communications blackout are now saying “I told you so”. It has started by Twitter and FB. Trump’s accounts have been shut down for at least 12 hours or more. You will see more and more communications blackouts coming. The media is not your friend. Please keep coming back to this forum and share what you learned that the media won’t. Thanks for participating here. I have made a lot of friends here. I wish you all well and hope the democrats don’t hurt you and your families too bad.

Lets see......broken windows and doors, offices with trash strewn about, furniture overturned, a quarter left on pelosi's desk done by people with no firearms or incendiary devices.

Yep.  Sure.  Insurrection.

Looks more like disdain and disgust for our current politicians and an open show of what people think of them.

Yeah yeah it was all wrong and all that but shows when people get frustrated after years of bullshit.

Insurrection my ass.

In case some of you had not heard, the congress started counting the electoral votes again last night. And as expected Joe Biden was verified as the president elect.

I am disappointed in Pence that he didn’t do everything in his constitutional powers to allow a bipartisan panel to investigate the election tampering/fraud activity, I think if the panel were to find fraud then we would see the election completed per the constitution. If they didn’t find any fraud then it would assure the people that the election was clean. I believe this would have been the best scenario for all of us because transparency is something all of us want.

I am more disappointed and place most of the blame on the state legislatures in the 6 states where the fraud took place. They were still in session and had a chance to address all of the fraudulent activity and come to a proper transparent conclusion BEFORE the electoral vote count. But they waited until after they were out of session to try and do something. It was too late by then.

So we have a New Democrat president, and we have a New Democrat controlled congress. I can’t predict the future, but with complete control of the presidency and congress I expect we will see a lot of corrupted behavior. We can see signing on to the UN gun policy or worse, we could see court packing, we could see forced political correctness, and we will see most of our taxpayer dollars going to pay off those that help steal the election for the democrats. We will now see our taxes raised back to Obama years per Biden’s own words. We will see more of BLM and Antifa demanding power and land than we are already seeing. And they will do it in a way that the naive will believe it is for their own good. It will remain to be seen how they will warp and/or corrupt our country and its systems. I am old and will see it happen in my lifetime. But I won’t live long enough to see all the ramifications and the long term fallout of what these politicians are going to do to us for at least the next 2 years.

Those who predicted a communications blackout are now saying “I told you so”. It has started by Twitter and FB. Trump’s accounts have been shut down for at least 12 hours or more. You will see more and more communications blackouts coming. The media is not your friend. Please keep coming back to this forum and share what you learned that the media won’t. Thanks for participating here. I have made a lot of friends here. I wish you all well and hope the democrats don’t hurt you and your families too bad.

"I wish you all well and hope the democrats don’t hurt you and your families too bad."
I concur.
I rechecked that I had a good lawyer on speed dial.
I have nearly all the material to go "Off Grid". And have prepared
to expand the garden.
Still looking at a sailboat for Importation.

Y'all better get ready.  If you aren't a "proper"
Democrat party member, it is going to get rough.

Zuck said he banned trump for the rest of his term now.

But its all G biden won cause we still got the senate....oh wait.

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"I wish you all well and hope the democrats don’t hurt you and your families too bad."
I concur.
I rechecked that I had a good lawyer on speed dial.
I have nearly all the material to go "Off Grid". And have prepared
to expand the garden.
Still looking at a sailboat for Importation.

Y'all better get ready.  If you aren't a "proper"
Democrat party member, it is going to get rough.

The real tragedy is that confidence in US institutions has been completely undermined for a large segment of the population, and with the guaranteed mismanagement of a Democrat controlled everything the rest of the population is soon to follow

One of the benefits of the death of free speech on the internet is that people are now forced to rebuild the more robust and rewarding networks in real life. There is no substitution for regularly meeting in person and in many ways the internet has limited our ability to effectively organize. Monthly meetings can be a lot of fun and get us out of the social media zombie like state. Plus it attracts new members who want to feel like they are actually part of something rather than just throwing more clicks down the click hole

Zuck said he banned trump for the rest of his term now.

But its all G biden won cause we still got the senate....oh wait.

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Disappointed in Facebook, they have crossed another line.

Yup we lost the senate my big fear.   We are not safe.  Trump fucked everything. 

So, because the other side cheated, it’s all Trump fault?   What about blaming all the cheats?

There is no substitution for regularly meeting in person and in many ways the internet has limited our ability to effectively organize. Monthly meetings can be a lot of fun and get us out of the social media zombie like state. Plus it attracts new members who want to feel like they are actually part of something rather than just throwing more clicks down the click hole

Did I also mention the part that it also makes it more difficult for disinfo trolls? They would actually have to show up IRL where their personality games would get them a cold shoulder rather than a platform to hijack

Did I also mention the part that it also makes it more difficult for disinfo trolls? They would actually have to show up IRL where their personality games would get them a cold shoulder rather than a platform to hijack

You should ask MassConfusion for some troll spray!

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The real tragedy is that confidence in US institutions has been completely undermined for a large segment of the population, and with the guaranteed mismanagement of a Democrat controlled everything the rest of the population is soon to follow

So does this mean, I was right all along that the American Republic that most people, on this forum knew, is officially gone?

It is amazing that I was stating the same things you are saying now for years and got flamed for it.  So I was wrong then, but am correct now?  Goes to show, who really had their eyes open, on what the US has become for decades long before today.

So, because the other side cheated, it’s all Trump fault?   What about blaming all the cheats?

I also put blame on libertarians.  In some of the swing states, their vote for Trump could have won it for him.  Or at least make the cheating more obvious.  There reasoning is a lib doesn't have the votes to win.  So it's a vote not for Trump is really a vote for Biden.  And I'm gonna assume if a lib had to choose between Biden or Trump, most would go Trump because Biden is far worst.

So, because the other side cheated, it’s all Trump fault?   What about blaming all the cheats?

Still no proof of mass cheating.  We will see in the years to come if you still don't believe.  Its trump fault for alienating the non trump republicans,  the independents etc.  He might of also discouraged Trump voters from going out because of his false claims of mass fraud. We had evidence of this before as republican candidates got alot of split ticket votes.  What we do know for sure is on election day republicans would not have lost both senate seats, but with Trump post election they did.

What we do have proof of is that Trumpism is not popular with everyone.  Less than half the nation and low enough to lose the presidency, senate and house.   Both Senate candidates embraced it, and both lost because of it.

I also put blame on libertarians.  In some of the swing states, their vote for Trump could have won it for him.  Or at least make the cheating more obvious.  There reasoning is a lib doesn't have the votes to win.  So it's a vote not for Trump is really a vote for Biden.  And I'm gonna assume if a lib had to choose between Biden or Trump, most would go Trump because Biden is far worst.

With that attitude their views will never be heard and we will be stuck with a 2 party system forever.  I think it mostly came down to the independent votes.  Trump clearly lost many of those. 

The real tragedy is that confidence in US institutions has been completely undermined for a large segment of the population, and with the guaranteed mismanagement of a Democrat controlled everything the rest of the population is soon to follow

One of the benefits of the death of free speech on the internet is that people are now forced to rebuild the more robust and rewarding networks in real life. There is no substitution for regularly meeting in person and in many ways the internet has limited our ability to effectively organize. Monthly meetings can be a lot of fun and get us out of the social media zombie like state. Plus it attracts new members who want to feel like they are actually part of something rather than just throwing more clicks down the click hole

I spent much of my working life putting together, running and documenting
meetings. It is a significant part of engineering teams and project engineering.
There are still "Meeting robbers" to contend with.  They are like internet "Trolls".
It is also hard to gain trust so people will open up and tell you what they think,
not what they think you want to hear, and protect them, if that ends up being an
unpopular view, in a face to face environment.
Meetings are a lot of work if they are to be effective.
They are good for Team building most the time.
But I've been in some where people nearly came to blows.
Personally I think a mix of the two is optimal.
every once in a while you all need to get together
and talk face to face, eat together, talk story,
just prove you are all human. However much information
research and exchange can be done remotely.
Just my $0.02.

Did I also mention the part that it also makes it more difficult for disinfo trolls? They would actually have to show up IRL where their personality games would get them a cold shoulder rather than a platform to hijack

I am guessing this is referring to me.  I have said before, I am not trolling. In a post Covid world I would be happy to meet anyone here to discuses my views or have a conversation.   Just because I have different views of the world than some people doesn't make me a troll.  You are free to ignore me in RL or on the forum.  But needless slander is unproductive.  I don't insult you in every thread even though I find many of your views wrong. 

So does this mean, I was right all along that the American Republic that most people, on this forum knew, is officially gone?

It is amazing that I was stating the same things you are saying now for years and got flamed for it.  So I was wrong then, but am correct now?  Goes to show, who really had their eyes open, on what the US has become for decades long before today.

I believe you were claiming American Empire?
That is still here.  The Republic died in 1913, with the passage of the 16th
and 17th Amendments. They gutted the basic structure
of power where the states powers were supreme
over the Federal government.

At this point If the Hawaiians could come up with nation along the lines
of the US Constitution, eg no Royalty or Castes,  I'd be happy to support
secession and formation of a separate nation.

In case some of you had not heard, the congress started counting the electoral votes again last night. And as expected Joe Biden was verified as the president elect.

I am disappointed in Pence that he didn’t do everything in his constitutional powers to allow a bipartisan panel to investigate the election tampering/fraud activity, I think if the panel were to find fraud then we would see the election completed per the constitution. If they didn’t find any fraud then it would assure the people that the election was clean. I believe this would have been the best scenario for all of us because transparency is something all of us want.

I am more disappointed and place most of the blame on the state legislatures in the 6 states where the fraud took place. They were still in session and had a chance to address all of the fraudulent activity and come to a proper transparent conclusion BEFORE the electoral vote count. But they waited until after they were out of session to try and do something. It was too late by then.

So we have a New Democrat president, and we have a New Democrat controlled congress. I can’t predict the future, but with complete control of the presidency and congress I expect we will see a lot of corrupted behavior. We can see signing on to the UN gun policy or worse, we could see court packing, we could see forced political correctness, and we will see most of our taxpayer dollars going to pay off those that help steal the election for the democrats. We will now see our taxes raised back to Obama years per Biden’s own words. We will see more of BLM and Antifa demanding power and land than we are already seeing. And they will do it in a way that the naive will believe it is for their own good. It will remain to be seen how they will warp and/or corrupt our country and its systems. I am old and will see it happen in my lifetime. But I won’t live long enough to see all the ramifications and the long term fallout of what these politicians are going to do to us for at least the next 2 years.

Those who predicted a communications blackout are now saying “I told you so”. It has started by Twitter and FB. Trump’s accounts have been shut down for at least 12 hours or more. You will see more and more communications blackouts coming. The media is not your friend. Please keep coming back to this forum and share what you learned that the media won’t. Thanks for participating here. I have made a lot of friends here. I wish you all well and hope the democrats don’t hurt you and your families too bad.

The elected officials in the swing states were not about to cast a spotlight on the depth and breadth of fraud, tampering and outright ballot box stuffing that went on in their states.  That would then call into question their own illegitimate election wins -- past and future.  They'd be biting the hand that feeds them.

When you control the umpires, the game is yours no matter how the game unfolds.  It's been said for decades:  you don't win elections by getting the most votes -- you win by being the one to count the votes. 

We all have heard stories of people finding locked boxes full of ballots months and even years after an election that someone squirreled away.  We hear about people being bussed in to vote from heavy leaning Democrat districts.  The list goes on and on.  Election stealing has been going on since elections began.  To naively think that there's no fire when the smoke is too thick to breathe is both sad and terrifying.  Believing what you're being told by the people being accused of cheating is just beyond stupid.  "Did you cheat?  No?  Well then, nothing more to see here.  Must be another conspiracy theory.  WE WON!!  GET OVER IT!!"

The feds are notorious for using the power of the purse to effect changes in states without the need to pass borderline unconstitutional laws.  If the feds were to offer a few million to each state to buy, repair, maintain and CERTIFY TO A PROPER STANDARD a well-tested and unhackable set of voting and tabulating machines, it would be a start.  There should never be a question of how many votes have been cast when polls close, how many have been counted, how many have yet to be counted, and what the running totals are.  Nor should there EVER be a NEGATIVE number added to a vote count for any candidate without at least 5 officials from all parties witnessing and certifying as to the reason.  I'm not aware of any way to cast a vote that subtracts a vote from someone.

Until we get the process under control -- which is really one of the most simple and basic processes known to exist: counting a set of things -- we can NEVER AGAIN have any trust in any election.  Banks can reconcile millions of accounts and billions of dollars down to the penny and trace transactions back to the origin.  Hospitals can manage billing of millions of patients each year and account for every single service and item the individuals and insurance companies owe them for.  But somehow a few states (apparently only the swing states), with all the resources each has at their disposal, can't seem to give a number at the beginning of election night counting how many total ballots were cast in each county or precinct until after the count is done.  This happened in FL under a corrupt elections official when Trump was winning.  That Democrat was confused as to why people insisted on knowing how many ballots had yet to be counted. 

Apparently some states have no idea how many ballots are left to count until the final ballot dump at 3AM the morning after polls closed -- with no security and no observers verifying the source of those ballots.   

The real tragedy is that confidence in US institutions has been completely undermined for a large segment of the population, and with the guaranteed mismanagement of a Democrat controlled everything the rest of the population is soon to follow

One of the benefits of the death of free speech on the internet is that people are now forced to rebuild the more robust and rewarding networks in real life. There is no substitution for regularly meeting in person and in many ways the internet has limited our ability to effectively organize. Monthly meetings can be a lot of fun and get us out of the social media zombie like state. Plus it attracts new members who want to feel like they are actually part of something rather than just throwing more clicks down the click hole

Well said! 

So, because the other side cheated, it’s all Trump fault?   What about blaming all the cheats?

Agreed. Who voted AGAINST Trump? I think those people are the ones that should be considered at fault here.

Did I also mention the part that it also makes it more difficult for disinfo trolls? They would actually have to show up IRL where their personality games would get them a cold shoulder rather than a platform to hijack

Agreed. I’m getting tired of the trolls here myself.