one thing that was brought up was that evidence of fraud was going to be presented in that session but the breach threw that out the window - pun

Or breach was allowed to provide opportunity to get electronic devices.

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While Trump was playing 3d or 4d chess - the Democrats and the rest of the Swamp carjacked Marty McFly and are joy riding around in the DeLorean with Q on the hood.

For those, who continue to believe the stolen election is a direct result of the Democrats, please consider:

1. Pence and much of Trump's cabinet have all abandoned him.
2. Many so-called Republicans and RINOs alike have all turned their backs to Trump.

What many are not still willing to accept is the fact that the US is an empire, albeit, on its last legs, ruled by an ultrawealthy oligarchic elite that placates both the Republicans and Democrats, against each other, to maintain control, of its dominion.  Trump's recent Presidency was the most serious challenge to their rule.  They could not assassinate him because of his popularity and so they made sure he would not win re-election, by working to have a clearly senile and compromised old fool, to become their latest stooge, in the Oval Office.

In case of point, the Hong Kong protestors, themselves, denounced the march, on the US capitol building, by American Patriots, despite receiving much covert aid and financial support, during the Trump Administration (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hong-kong-activist-democratic-world-has-been-weakened-by-riot-at-us-capitol/ar-BB1cyx8d).  These US/UK backed protestors were the same ones, who sacked their own legislative hall last year.  Clearly, you would think the Hong Kong protestors would be in solidarity, with the Americans that participated in the breach, of the US capitol, this past Wednesday, but this is not the case.

Why?  Trump is not of the US imperial fold, while the enablers/handlers, of the HK protestors, are agents of the US empire.

Wake-up people.

The Murder Turtle was riding Trumps coat tails with fundraising etc and then was one of the first to put a knife in his back. GOP traitors are in big trouble

For those, who continue to believe the stolen election is a direct result of the Democrats, please consider:

1. Pence and much of Trump's cabinet have all abandoned him.
2. Many so-called Republicans and RINOs alike have all turned their backs to Trump.

What many are not still willing to accept is the fact that the US is an empire, albeit, on its last legs, ruled by an ultrawealthy oligarchic elite that placates both the Republicans and Democrats, against each other, to maintain control, of its dominion.  Trump's recent Presidency was the most serious challenge to their rule.  They could not assassinate him because of his popularity and so they made sure he would not win re-election, by working to have a clearly senile and compromised old fool, to become their latest stooge, in the Oval Office.

In case of point, the Hong Kong protestors, themselves, denounced the march, on the US capitol building, by American Patriots, despite receiving much covert aid and financial support, during the Trump Administration (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hong-kong-activist-democratic-world-has-been-weakened-by-riot-at-us-capitol/ar-BB1cyx8d).  These US/UK backed protestors were the same ones, who sacked their own legislative hall last year.  Clearly, you would think the Hong Kong protestors would be in solidarity, with the Americans that participated in the breach, of the US capitol, this past Wednesday, but this is not the case.

Why?  Trump is not of the US imperial fold, while the enablers/handlers, of the HK protestors, are agents of the US empire.

Wake-up people.

I agree with you on this statement as well. I noticed more sales pitches by the Republicans to donate here and there...support Trump etc. now crickets.

1. Pence and much of Trump's cabinet have all abandoned him.
2. Many so-called Republicans and RINOs alike have all turned their backs to Trump.

So, they are acting like craven politicians, always keep their options open and look out for numbah 1 above all else.
Test the wind direction before taking a stand.

They are exhibiting why so many of us do not identify as republicans or support them with donations.   
Spineless weasels that would sell their mother for votes and continued power.

So, they are acting like craven politicians, always keep their options open and look out for numbah 1 above all else.
Test the wind direction before taking a stand.

They are exhibiting why so many of us do not identify as republicans or support them with donations.   
Spineless weasels that would sell their mother for votes and continued power.

1,000% True.

Here is the $1,000,000 rhetorical question.

Knowing that all politicians are compromised and looking out for their own interests; what now?

Term limits, of course.

End the permanent ruling class that produced Pelousy, Bidet, Romney, McConnell, Smucky, Graham, and all those bastards that have been in office more than a few terms..

They have accomplished nothing but create a permanent divide and their entitlement class.

1,000% True.

Here is the $1,000,000 rhetorical question.

Knowing that all politicians are compromised and looking out for their own interests; what now?

run for office ourselves? I considered small positions i.e. neighborhood board but I don't have the stomach for the politics - even at that level. I smell the stinkiness even at HOA and AOAO meetings.

It is like when you make a sandwich on the kitchen counter and forget to clean up, leave the house for a few days, and then come back to find roaches everywhere. We neglected to keep an eye on them and now they have plenty of incentive to help themselves at our expense. Organizing action on the micro level is where all the positive changes begin. The negative ones are usually top-down

run for office ourselves? I considered small positions i.e. neighborhood board but I don't have the stomach for the politics - even at that level. I smell the stinkiness even at HOA and AOAO meetings.

I agree with you, as that was what the American Republic was all about; a government for and by the people.

What do you think or what was the turning point then, that led the US to what it has become today?

I only ask because there lies the keys to the solution.

Term limits, of course.

End the permanent ruling class that produced Pelousy, Bidet, Romney, McConnell, Smucky, Graham, and all those bastards that have been in office more than a few terms..

They have accomplished nothing but create a permanent divide and their entitlement class.

Very well said.

However, for example, let's say I am a very greedy and manipulative ultrawealthy elite that uses my money to influence both parties, to ensure my influence, in the political system.  Term limits might be in-place, but do you think that would prevent me, from my tactics, as usual?  I would just keep-up my program of money, sex, and drugs, to any newcomers, to the political arena.

What else, in addition to term limits, would you suggest?

We neglected to keep an eye on them and now they have plenty of incentive to help themselves at our expense.

I agree.

Why then, do you think the citizenry, of almost every nation, are often guilty of this?

What else, in addition to term limits, would you suggest?

It all starts with the children who grow up to be teachers, media, CEOs, voters and politicians.  It takes a  long time to create change, maybe a couple generations,...pushing private and home schools, volunteering, boy scouts, teaching civics and morals, etc.  It creates the base that you need.  There must have been some time decades ago where things started to go wrong growing into what we have now.  Great depression?  Vietnam and woodstock?  I dunno

Fix something on free speech and suppression / deception by the mainstream media and social media.  Don’t know what this looks like though.

It all starts with the children who grow up to be teachers, media, CEOs, voters and politicians.  It takes a  long time to create change, maybe a couple generations,...pushing private and home schools, volunteering, boy scouts, teaching civics and morals, etc.  It creates the base that you need.  There must have been some time decades ago where things started to go wrong growing into what we have now.  Great depression?  Vietnam and woodstock?  I dunno

I'll make it really easy for you
#1 16th amendment.
#2 17th amendment.
Year 1913.
16th gave the mob the right to tax you to death.
just becasuse they can and Democrats are stupid.
17th ripped out the concept of states rights.
The senate is a waste of time in every state including
nationally.

Not 100% confirmed but these actions are sad. No longer can trumpers distance themselves from BLM rioters.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/kucaz0/the_moment_officer_brian_sicknick_is_dragged_into/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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I'll make it really easy for you
#1 16th amendment.
#2 17th amendment.
Year 1913.

Taxes are the gravy the political ruling class slops on like the pigs they are

I'll make it really easy for you
#1 16th amendment.
#2 17th amendment.
Year 1913.
16th gave the mob the right to tax you to death.
just becasuse they can and Democrats are stupid.
17th ripped out the concept of states rights.
The senate is a waste of time in every state including
nationally.

Allow me to expand your accurate assessment within the context, of the larger timeline, of the US empire.

1898
1. The expansion of the US empire with its acquiring territory outside of CONUS.  (i.e., illegal annexation of Hawaii and the addition of the Philippines, Guam, Cuba, and Puerto Rico via the Treaty of Paris).

1913
1. Federal income tax laws ratified, in order to financially maintain its overseas empire and growing number of military garrisons, in the Pacific and Caribbean.
2. The election protocols of federal serving US Senators changed to weaken states rights, while strengthening the US empire's central government.
3. Federal Reserve Act passed to provide the US even more resources to feed America's growing empire and international hegemonic influence.