My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time. (Read 45904 times)

Inspector

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #140 on: February 08, 2021, 09:02:29 AM »
You sound like the US empire's version of Saul of Tarsus.
I’m not much up on religion and religious figures so I had to look up your reference to Saul of Tarsus. I was surprised that I know who he was/is. And I thought I knew most or all of the story about him. So I had to dig a little and take my time to find a new part of his story I never heard before so I understood the reference. I do try and learn something new everyday if I can. So thank you for this.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Kuleana

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #141 on: February 08, 2021, 09:38:23 AM »
I’m not much up on religion and religious figures so I had to look up your reference to Saul of Tarsus. I was surprised that I know who he was/is. And I thought I knew most or all of the story about him. So I had to dig a little and take my time to find a new part of his story I never heard before so I understood the reference. I do try and learn something new everyday if I can. So thank you for this.
You are very much welcome Inspector.   :shaka:

I usually don't bring in religion when I make an argument, but the almost perfect parallels of what is happening today is uncanny, to what has happened, in the past (e.g., Fall of the Roman Empire, Overthrow of Liliuokalani/Trump).

Unfortunately, I don't think there will be any Devine intervention to save younglings, like our resident IT professional, that are already indoctrinated willing subject citizens to what I refer, as the US empire.

omnigun

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #142 on: February 08, 2021, 09:54:46 AM »
You are very much welcome Inspector.   :shaka:

I usually don't bring in religion when I make an argument, but the almost perfect parallels of what is happening today is uncanny, to what has happened, in the past (e.g., Fall of the Roman Empire, Overthrow of Liliuokalani/Trump).

Unfortunately, I don't think there will be any Devine intervention to save younglings, like our resident IT professional, that are already indoctrinated willing subject citizens to what I refer, as the US empire.

Briefly read his description.  Other than the fact the religious story was stupid.  I don't see major parallels.  I am not trying to oppress a huge amount people but just Trump, who I dislike and I think broke the law.  I think he needs to be punished for his actions and lies.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #143 on: February 08, 2021, 10:15:35 AM »
Briefly read his description.  Other than the fact the religious story was stupid.  I don't see major parallels.  I am not trying to oppress a huge amount people but just Trump, who I dislike and I think broke the law.  I think he needs to be punished for his actions and lies.

TDS is real.  Find a cure!   :geekdanc:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/cooper-trump-impeachment/2021/02/08/1fc83bb2-6a14-11eb-9ead-673168d5b874_story.html

Hope he does get  impeached. 

He already HAS BEEN impeached.  Impeachment occurred when the House delivered the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate.  By definition, the impeachment has been completed.

An impeachment is like an arraignment or grand jury indictment.  Once that happens, the trial decides if the charges are true, and what the punishment should be.

You really need to read the Constitution -- that thing you value so dearly.

Quote
Article I, Section 2, Clause 5: The House of Representatives shall choose their Speaker
and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

Not a difficult concept.  Sole Power -- impeachment has already happened.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #144 on: February 08, 2021, 10:17:53 AM »
TDS is real.  Find a cure!   :geekdanc:

He already HAS BEEN impeached.  Impeachment occurred when the House delivered the Articles of Impeachment to the Senate.  By definition, the impeachment has been completed.

An impeachment is like an arraignment or grand jury indictment.  Once that happens, the trial decides if the charges are true, and what the punishment should be.

You really need to read the Constitution -- that thing you value so dearly.

Not a difficult concept.  Sole Power -- impeachment has already happened.

You have the same thing against Biden,  Hope you find a cure too.   Or maybe we can judge a person based on their character and actions and not have to be labeled...

Ok I will rephrase.  I hope Trump get convicted in the "trial" and gets banned from running from office.

robtmc

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #145 on: February 08, 2021, 10:19:45 AM »
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Kuleana

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #146 on: February 08, 2021, 10:22:17 AM »
I am not trying to oppress a huge amount people but just Trump (Insert: J_S_S   C_R_S_), who I dislike and I think broke the law.  I think he (Insert: HE) needs to be punished (Insert: CRUCIFIED) for his actions and lies.
Hana Hou!

Sounds eerily to me like something Saul of Tarsus would have said, during the Roman Empire.   :shake:
« Last Edit: February 08, 2021, 10:34:26 AM by Kuleana »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #147 on: February 08, 2021, 10:23:08 AM »
You have the same thing against Biden,  Hope you find a cure too.   Or maybe we can judge a person based on their character and actions and not have to be labeled...

Ok I will rephrase.  I hope Trump get convicted in the "trial" and gets banned from running from office.

So, you don't deny having TDS?

Good.  Acceptance is the first step toward recovery.

And I'm also glad you demonstrated the ability to learn something you didn't already know -- but on which you already formed an opinion.  We need to see more of that from you rather than deflection and arguing.

BTW, I can't have TDS against Biden.  Trump Derangement Syndrome is specific to Trump.  It's why the name "Trump" is in the abbreviation. 

Think before you spew infantile retorts.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #148 on: February 08, 2021, 10:24:14 AM »
Hana Hou!

Sounds eerily to me like something Saul of Tarsus would have said, during the Roman Empire.   :shake:

Better Call Saul
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #149 on: February 08, 2021, 10:30:42 AM »
Better Call Saul
Sounds like an advertising jingle!  :rofl:
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #150 on: February 08, 2021, 10:33:00 AM »
Sounds like an advertising jingle!  :rofl:

It's final season is coming up sometime this year -- hopefully very soon.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #151 on: February 08, 2021, 10:35:25 AM »
You have the same thing against Biden,  Hope you find a cure too.   Or maybe we can judge a person based on their character and actions and not have to be labeled...

Ok I will rephrase.  I hope Trump get convicted in the "trial" and gets banned from running from office.

If he does, it's proof there are no Senators willing to follow their oaths of office.

Everyone knows the chances of conviction are ZERO, and without a conviction, there will be no vote to bar from office.

Might as well HOPE the Easter Bunny comes to your house this year.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #152 on: February 08, 2021, 11:05:18 AM »
On my yahoo  news feed pops up says impeachment evidence is overwhelming.  Guess same type of russia evidence?

omnigun

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #153 on: February 08, 2021, 11:05:52 AM »
So, you don't deny having TDS?

Good.  Acceptance is the first step toward recovery.

And I'm also glad you demonstrated the ability to learn something you didn't already know -- but on which you already formed an opinion.  We need to see more of that from you rather than deflection and arguing.

BTW, I can't have TDS against Biden.  Trump Derangement Syndrome is specific to Trump.  It's why the name "Trump" is in the abbreviation. 

Think before you spew infantile retorts.

I don't have "TDS" I just dislike Trump and think he broke the law.   Just like how you dislike Biden.  But I don't go around saying you have BDS...

changemyoil66

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #154 on: February 08, 2021, 11:06:24 AM »
If he does, it's proof there are no Senators willing to follow their oaths of office.

Everyone knows the chances of conviction are ZERO, and without a conviction, there will be no vote to bar from office.

Might as well HOPE the Easter Bunny comes to your house this year.

The courts never proved that Santa breaks into peoples homes every xmas eve.

omnigun

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #155 on: February 08, 2021, 11:07:54 AM »
Hana Hou!

Sounds eerily to me like something Saul of Tarsus would have said, during the Roman Empire.   :shake:

Or I could sound like most other humans on earth,  that if you break the law you get punished....inciting insurrection is unlawful....

Flapp_Jackson

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #156 on: February 08, 2021, 11:22:24 AM »
On my yahoo  news feed pops up says impeachment evidence is overwhelming.  Guess same type of russia evidence?

Evidence is not proof.

OG being on the Internet is evidence that he's sentient, but not proof.   :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #157 on: February 08, 2021, 11:23:35 AM »
Or I could sound like most other humans on earth,  that if you break the law you get punished....inciting insurrection is unlawful....

No evidence to support the claim that Trump incited anything other than a peaceful protest.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #158 on: February 08, 2021, 11:26:07 AM »
I don't have "TDS" I just dislike Trump and think he broke the law.   Just like how you dislike Biden.  But I don't go around saying you have BDS...

No, my dislike of Biden is pragmatic and fact-based.  Your pure hatred of Trump is emotion-driven.  It's captured in your posts.

Hoping a former President is tried and convicted does nothing for the country other than continue the division the Democrats thrive on.

TDS is when you hate Trump more than you love the country.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: My take as to why President Trump is being impeached this time.
« Reply #159 on: February 08, 2021, 11:38:45 AM »
First I think I should make a statement that most of us already know. The Senate trial of Citizen Trump is NOT a criminal trial. It is a political trial. Which is why no matter what anyone thinks, he did not commit any crime. Anybody who says he committed a crime does not know what they are talking about. Because if he did he would have a criminal trial. A criminal trial is easier to do than a political trial. If they are not even going to attempt to bring criminal charges against him, he has not committed any crime. The only reason the Democrats are bringing an illegal senate trial is to try and hurt citizen Trump politically. No other reason. In other words they have TDS. It is that simple.

The illegal senate trial will likely fail since the Senate already voted that the Senate trial is legal or illegal thanks to Rand Paul. The vote was that 45 Republicans voted that it is an illegal trial. Meaning it is highly unlikely that the Senate Democrats will get the needed 60 votes to remove a citizen who is not in office.

Which brings me to the reason it is an illegal senate trial. First the constitution is quite specific as to the reason a Senate trial should be brought. And that reason is to remove the president from office and then if after the Senate votes to remove the president from office, then they may or may not vote to bar him from running for president again. Obviously he is no longer in office. So technically, the Senate cannot vote to remove him. Therefore they cannot vote to punish him. The Constitution is very clear about this. The Senate trial is not a criminal trial. therefore they do not vote to convict. They only vote to remove. They cannot vote to remove someone who is not in office. The Constitution is very clear. But, the second reason this Senate trial is illegal is again, very clear in the Constitution. The Senate trial to remove a president shall be presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Who is Chief Justice Roberts. And Chief Justice Roberts sees this trial for what it really is. An illegal Senate trial of a citizen to attempt to hurt a citizen politically. Not to remove a sitting president which the Constitution states. And guess what he said? He wants no part of this illegal Senate trial. Because it is in fact illegal. His presiding over this trial would give it validity. Without him presiding it is illegal. The Constitution is quite clear. 

I know most or all of you know all of this. The reason I am writing all of this is to state the facts above and because the rest here is JMHO. I welcome this illegal Senate trial. I want to see it occur. Actually, I prefer the Democrats who we pay with our tax dollars follow the rule of law and not proceed with an impeachment. But since they decided to break the law of the Constitution and have an illegal impeachment hearing and now an illegal Senate trial we now know they don’t care about the rule of law. They only care about politically punishing a citizen of the US. Some of you may wonder why I welcome this illegal Senate trial? I welcome it because I just finished reading the speech President Trump gave on January 6. And I don’t believe he said anything that even comes close to inciting a riot. I listened to the speech on January 6, I didn’t hear anything then. So I decided to read it (and it is really long) to make sure I didn’t misunderstand something. I didn’t. I even watched CNN and MSNBC videos to see what they were saying so I can understand what it is they are saying about inciting a riot. Everything they said was taken out of context as usual. Being that they did that, I can understand how some low information people could take it that way if that is all they heard. but if you read the entire speech and insert the so called inflammatory statements back into their context, there is nothing they can say that incited a riot. Lying by omission is still lying. The Trump defense team will expose this attempt to take his words out of context as a pretext to impeachment. I don’t care what the Senators think. I care about what the people think and hear. And they will hear the truth as to how these statements have been taken out of context and are therefore lying. That is what the people who listen to the Senate trial will hear.

The biggest thing I heard that the Trump defense team intends to show videos of prominent Democrats actually inciting violence. Senators like Chuck Schumer actually threatening some of the SCOTUS justices. And Maxine Waters threatening all Republicans with violence just because they are not welcome any where. I want the people to hear what real incitement is and then they can decide for themselves if the statements that Trump made (in context) were in fact inciting violence. And IMHO it will be a big victory for Trump and a huge defeat and embarrassment for the Democrats. Of course this is JMHO.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!