Roberts refusing to have anything to do with this clown show insures the thing is unconstitutional and illegitimate.
He made that point quite clearly, though the raging liberals cannot fathom that.

Roberts refusing to have anything to do with this clown show insures the thing is unconstitutional and illegitimate.
He made that point quite clearly, though the raging liberals cannot fathom that.

Nor do they understand you cannot impeach someone who is not president.  But hey, they need more votes cause they stood up to the orangeman.

Roberts refusing to have anything to do with this clown show insures the thing is unconstitutional and illegitimate.
He made that point quite clearly, though the raging liberals cannot fathom that.

And, if you thought the last impeachment was a whirlwind in the House, taking just a couple of months to hear witness testimony and fabricate a phone call that Trump didn't make (Schiff Show), then this one should really make you distrust it.  No witnesses, no testimony of any kind -- including experts to explain what Trump  did was a high crime or misdemeanor.  They literally started yelling "IMPEACH!!" on Jan 6th.

In order for a political impeachment to succeed. Congress needs the support of the people.  Otherwise, they are risking alienating the country.  They didn't even try to convince us.  They simply made charges as if they are fact.

No, my dislike of Biden is pragmatic and fact-based.  Your pure hatred of Trump is emotion-driven.  It's captured in your posts.

Hoping a former President is tried and convicted does nothing for the country other than continue the division the Democrats thrive on.

TDS is when you hate Trump more than you love the country.

I have many facts on while Trump is bad.  Many of them you are blind to, because of your devotion.  What he did is unforgivable its not about coming together but banning him from running again and driving our country further from democracy.  He is a threat to us all.  If he runs in 2024, it will give the democrats a freewin,  and if my some miracle he wins he will turn our democracy into a dictatorship I fear. After he is removed from running, his movement whatever you want to call it can continue.  But the law breaking leader will be left behind. 

I love my country more than most things,  As evident by Kuleana saying "empire" remarks.  I support America,  I support Democracy, law, freedom, Trump is neither. 

I have many facts on while Trump is bad.  Many of them you are blind to, because of your devotion.  What he did is unforgivable its not about coming together but banning him from running again and driving our country further from democracy.  He is a threat to us all.  If he runs in 2024, it will give the democrats a freewin,  and if my some miracle he wins he will turn our democracy into a dictatorship I fear. After he is removed from running, his movement whatever you want to call it can continue.  But the law breaking leader will be left behind. 

I love my country more than most things,  As evident by Kuleana saying "empire" remarks.  I support America,  I support Democracy, law, freedom, Trump is neither.

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I have many facts on while Trump is bad.  Many of them you are blind to, because of your devotion.  What he did is unforgivable its not about coming together but banning him from running again and driving our country further from democracy.  He is a threat to us all.  If he runs in 2024, it will give the democrats a freewin,  and if my some miracle he wins he will turn our democracy into a dictatorship I fear. After he is removed from running, his movement whatever you want to call it can continue.  But the law breaking leader will be left behind. 

I love my country more than most things,  As evident by Kuleana saying "empire" remarks.  I support America,  I support Democracy, law, freedom, Trump is neither.

What did he do?  Call an election with 1000 irregularities, illegally changed voter laws, anomalies and witnesses to potentially election-changing practices illegitimate?

If that's the definition of a crime, then look at how many members of Congress did the exact same thing to Trump for 4 years.  2016 is the first time I ever heard or read the phrase "Not my President!" become a common thread in the media.

You like to post opinions as facts.  They are opinions, nothing more. 

Trump has some 700 million followers.  Who is Trump a threat to?  "us all??"  Who is "us all?"  Surely not his followers.

First I think I should make a statement that most of us already know. The Senate trial of Citizen Trump is NOT a criminal trial. It is a political trial. Which is why no matter what anyone thinks, he did not commit any crime. Anybody who says he committed a crime does not know what they are talking about. Because if he did he would have a criminal trial. A criminal trial is easier to do than a political trial. If they are not even going to attempt to bring criminal charges against him, he has not committed any crime. The only reason the Democrats are bringing an illegal senate trial is to try and hurt citizen Trump politically. No other reason. In other words they have TDS. It is that simple.

The illegal senate trial will likely fail since the Senate already voted that the Senate trial is legal or illegal thanks to Rand Paul. The vote was that 45 Republicans voted that it is an illegal trial. Meaning it is highly unlikely that the Senate Democrats will get the needed 60 votes to remove a citizen who is not in office.

Which brings me to the reason it is an illegal senate trial. First the constitution is quite specific as to the reason a Senate trial should be brought. And that reason is to remove the president from office and then if after the Senate votes to remove the president from office, then they may or may not vote to bar him from running for president again. Obviously he is no longer in office. So technically, the Senate cannot vote to remove him. Therefore they cannot vote to punish him. The Constitution is very clear about this. The Senate trial is not a criminal trial. therefore they do not vote to convict. They only vote to remove. They cannot vote to remove someone who is not in office. The Constitution is very clear. But, the second reason this Senate trial is illegal is again, very clear in the Constitution. The Senate trial to remove a president shall be presided over by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Who is Chief Justice Roberts. And Chief Justice Roberts sees this trial for what it really is. An illegal Senate trial of a citizen to attempt to hurt a citizen politically. Not to remove a sitting president which the Constitution states. And guess what he said? He wants no part of this illegal Senate trial. Because it is in fact illegal. His presiding over this trial would give it validity. Without him presiding it is illegal. The Constitution is quite clear. 

I know most or all of you know all of this. The reason I am writing all of this is to state the facts above and because the rest here is JMHO. I welcome this illegal Senate trial. I want to see it occur. Actually, I prefer the Democrats who we pay with our tax dollars follow the rule of law and not proceed with an impeachment. But since they decided to break the law of the Constitution and have an illegal impeachment hearing and now an illegal Senate trial we now know they don’t care about the rule of law. They only care about politically punishing a citizen of the US. Some of you may wonder why I welcome this illegal Senate trial? I welcome it because I just finished reading the speech President Trump gave on January 6. And I don’t believe he said anything that even comes close to inciting a riot. I listened to the speech on January 6, I didn’t hear anything then. So I decided to read it (and it is really long) to make sure I didn’t misunderstand something. I didn’t. I even watched CNN and MSNBC videos to see what they were saying so I can understand what it is they are saying about inciting a riot. Everything they said was taken out of context as usual. Being that they did that, I can understand how some low information people could take it that way if that is all they heard. but if you read the entire speech and insert the so called inflammatory statements back into their context, there is nothing they can say that incited a riot. Lying by omission is still lying. The Trump defense team will expose this attempt to take his words out of context as a pretext to impeachment. I don’t care what the Senators think. I care about what the people think and hear. And they will hear the truth as to how these statements have been taken out of context and are therefore lying. That is what the people who listen to the Senate trial will hear.

The biggest thing I heard that the Trump defense team intends to show videos of prominent Democrats actually inciting violence. Senators like Chuck Schumer actually threatening some of the SCOTUS justices. And Maxine Waters threatening all Republicans with violence just because they are not welcome any where. I want the people to hear what real incitement is and then they can decide for themselves if the statements that Trump made (in context) were in fact inciting violence. And IMHO it will be a big victory for Trump and a huge defeat and embarrassment for the Democrats. Of course this is JMHO.

I'm an engineer so I'm a "glass is half empty" sort of guy.
Very good comment!

The hardest part of my religious beliefs is to treat modern
Democrats as human beings.  I have more respect for my chickens.
Undoubtedly Democrats feel the same towards Americans.
The USA is no longer united nor are we functioning as "states".
More like "City states" ruling over the countryside.
Much Like Honolulu runs the entire state of Hawaii.
Prepare,  as it is only going to get worse.
 

What did he do?  Call an election with 1000 irregularities, illegally changed voter laws, anomalies and witnesses to potentially election-changing practices illegitimate?

If that's the definition of a crime, then look at how many members of Congress did the exact same thing to Trump for 4 years.  2016 is the first time I ever hear the phrase "Not my President!" become a common thread in the media.

You like to post opinions as facts.  They are opinions, nothing more. 

Trump has some 700 million followers.  Who is Trump a threat to?  "us all??"  Who is "us all?"  Surely not his followers.

Making false statements on the election,  inciting insurrection to name a few recent laws broken.  Just like you said, he was impeached...  I don't have enough time to explain the ethics and morality issues.  Trumps unlawful behavior, which resembles many dictators is a threat to democracy, which is a threat to America and us all.  I never said that phrase, Trump was my president, one I didn't like in the end but that didn't change that fact.  Now he isn't, still waiting on your "1000" irregularities, proved in court, so far none have had merit.  So far now its #fakenews.  Innocent till proven guilty.  If you can't prove shit don't say it, as if it was facts.  Please feel free to prove me wrong and provide verified evidence and rulings, ruled by the court of law.

I have many facts on while Trump is bad.  Many of them you are blind to, because of your devotion.  What he did is unforgivable its not about coming together but banning him from running again and driving our country further from democracy.  He is a threat to us all.  If he runs in 2024, it will give the democrats a freewin,  and if my some miracle he wins he will turn our democracy into a dictatorship I fear. After he is removed from running, his movement whatever you want to call it can continue.  But the law breaking leader will be left behind. 

I love my country more than most things,  As evident by Kuleana saying "empire" remarks.  I support America,  I support Democracy, law, freedom, Trump is neither.

is that paragraph in English?

I'm an engineer so I'm a "glass is half empty" sort of guy.
Very good comment!

The hardest part of my religious beliefs is to treat modern
Democrats as human beings.  I have more respect for my chickens.
Undoubtedly Democrats feel the same towards Americans.
The USA is no longer united nor are we functioning as "states".
More like "City states" ruling over the countryside.
Much Like Honolulu runs the entire state of Hawaii.
Prepare,  as it is only going to get worse.
 

The Bible says to love your enemies.

It also says there is a time to fight evil -- make your plowshares into swords.

The only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

It's one thing to want to fix problems in the country, but it's another to oppose the fundamental values and laws that created the greatest nation on Earth.

While their intentions may not be evil, their desire to destroy what this country was intended to be is.

If freedom dies here, where will the rest of the freedom-seeking world turn?

Making false statements on the election,  inciting insurrection to name a few recent laws broken.  Just like you said, he was impeached...  I don't have enough time to explain the ethics and morality issues.  Trumps unlawful behavior, which resembles many dictators is a threat to democracy, which is a threat to America and us all.  I never said that phrase, Trump was my president, one I didn't like in the end but that didn't change that fact.  Now he isn't, still waiting on your "1000" irregularities, proved in court, so far none have had merit.  So far now its #fakenews.  Innocent till proven guilty.  If you can't prove shit don't say it, as if it was facts.  Please feel free to prove me wrong and provide verified evidence and rulings, ruled by the court of law.

is that paragraph in English?

Making false statements on the election,  inciting insurrection to name a few recent laws broken.  Just like you said, he was impeached...  I don't have enough time to explain the ethics and morality issues.  Trumps unlawful behavior, which resembles many dictators is a threat to democracy, which is a threat to America and us all.  I never said that phrase, Trump was my president, one I didn't like in the end but that didn't change that fact.  Now he isn't, still waiting on your "1000" irregularities, proved in court, so far none have had merit.  So far now its #fakenews.  Innocent till proven guilty.  If you can't prove shit don't say it, as if it was facts.  Please feel free to prove me wrong and provide verified evidence and rulings, ruled by the court of law.

You've already been proven wrong, but your ridiculous mantra of "not proven in court" denies the truth.

I REALLY don't have the time to prove again and again I'm right, when you refuse to accept it despite mountains of evidence.

Biden stole the election with the help of Democrat and Republican officials in swing states.  If you refuse to accept that FACT, then continuous arguing is moot. 

Bask in the warmth of your hatred for Trump.  The House has more important emergencies right now to address, but Impeachment is job #1 for them.

Pathetic and petty.

Making false statements on the election,  inciting insurrection to name a few recent laws broken.  Just like you said, he was impeached...  I don't have enough time to explain the ethics and morality issues.  Trumps unlawful behavior, which resembles many dictators is a threat to democracy, which is a threat to America and us all.  I never said that phrase, Trump was my president, one I didn't like in the end but that didn't change that fact.  Now he isn't, still waiting on your "1000" irregularities, proved in court, so far none have had merit.  So far now its #fakenews.  Innocent till proven guilty.  If you can't prove shit don't say it, as if it was facts.  Please feel free to prove me wrong and provide verified evidence and rulings, ruled by the court of law.

"ethics and morality issues" are not "high crimes and misdemeanors"

You've already been proven wrong, but your ridiculous mantra of "not proven in court" denies the truth.

I REALLY don't have the time to prove again and again I'm right, when you refuse to accept it despite mountains of evidence.

Biden stole the election with the help of Democrat and Republican officials in swing states.  If you refuse to accept that FACT, then continuous arguing is moot. 

Bask in the warmth of your hatred for Trump.  The House has more important emergencies right now to address, but Impeachment is job #1 for them.

Pathetic and petty.

This type of conversation already went in full circle twice now.

"ethics and morality issues" are not "high crimes and misdemeanors"

Never said those were impeachable offenses but reasons why I don't like him.

#focus.

You've already been proven wrong, but your ridiculous mantra of "not proven in court" denies the truth.

I REALLY don't have the time to prove again and again I'm right, when you refuse to accept it despite mountains of evidence.

Biden stole the election with the help of Democrat and Republican officials in swing states.  If you refuse to accept that FACT, then continuous arguing is moot. 

Bask in the warmth of your hatred for Trump.  The House has more important emergencies right now to address, but Impeachment is job #1 for them.

Pathetic and petty.

You can't prove crimes cause you think something.  That's not how it works.  What if I thought you were a serial murderer?  I can make up a bunch of evidence but doesn't mean shit unless I can prove it in court.  Same thing.  Everything you said accusing of "crimes" doesn't mean diddly shit unless its proven in court. Crimes are proven in court my friend, not your imagination.

I do agree with you on priorities, this probably isn't one.  But it should happen.

You can't prove crimes cause you think something.  That's not how it works. What if I thought you were a serial murderer?  I can make up a bunch of evidence but doesn't mean shit unless I can prove it in court.  Same thing.  Everything you said accusing of "crimes" doesn't mean diddly shit unless its proven in court. Crimes are proven in court my friend, not your imagination.

I do agree with you on priorities, this probably isn't one.  But it should happen.

Now do the impeachment charges.  Nobody referred Trump to any criminal court, and impeachment is not a criminal trial.  So, if he'd ACTUALLY incited violence, it would be in criminal court now.

That's how it works.

Now do the impeachment charges.  Nobody referred Trump to any criminal court, and impeachment is not a criminal trial.  So, if he'd ACTUALLY incited violence, it would be in criminal court now.

That's how it works.

Which is why we wait till its get proven,  if he is found innocent.  I will stop saying what he did was a crime. 

Like Mac says,  you going to admit you were wrong this time?   You disappeared after I pointed out all those poor truckers going to lose dem oil pipeline jobs.

Which is why we wait till its get proven,  if he is found innocent.  I will stop saying what he did was a crime. 

Like Mac says,  you going to admit you were wrong this time?   You disappeared after I pointed out all those poor truckers going to lose dem oil pipeline jobs.

Maybe you should start doing what the justice system was designed to do.  Admit that Trump is innocent UNTIL proven guilty.

Instead, you already know he's guilty and will always belive that no matter the outcome of the trial.  Opinions won't change after the verdict, especially for those with TDS.

Maybe you should start doing what the justice system was designed to do.  Admit that Trump is innocent UNTIL proven guilty.

Instead, you already know he's guilty and will always belive that no matter the outcome of the trial.  Opinions won't change after the verdict, especially for those with TDS.

No you can think that someone is probably guilty, that is fine until a verdict is reached.  Opinions are not disallowed until, the court case is completed.  But opinions should be re-assessed when a court case is completed.

Also innocent means that no punishment should be leveraged,  that is what is happening now, Trump is free no restrictions etc. It is also why I say "I think" alot about trump and the impeachment.  Because no verdict was reached.

I've said before, if trump is found innocent than I will agree.  They found him innocent the first time, I thought he was guilty too.  But after the verdict I have changed my option.  I have not said he was guilty of the first impeachment after.

Your fraud claims have been disproved in court.  Your opinions should be re-assessed.