A guy, sitting at the controls of a 3,000-lb deadly weapon, fears for his safety and the solution is to get out?  Odd.

He leaned out the window and told them that they aren't in a crosswalk. . .

Ya the getting out of the
Car
And knocking someone down....hmm

Let's see if I follow...

20 year old punk errr, umm kid, Curses  I mean yells at a group of men in the street.  When they approach him, the punk, umm kid, gets out of the car and punches the first guy he sees.

When Kollin, I mean the kid, realizes that his super punching powers aren't going to dispatch the group of men, he takes off running.

His punk friends, jump in and start punching people and when the police come the punks, umm kids who did all the punching get arrested.

Yeah those dirty coppers seem to have had it out for them.

Let's see if I follow...

20 year old punk errr, umm kid, Curses  I mean yells at a group of men in the street.  When they approach him, the punk, umm kid, gets out of the car and punches the first guy he sees.

When Kollin, I mean the kid, realizes that his super punching powers aren't going to dispatch the group of men, he takes off running.

His punk friends, jump in and start punching people and when the police come the punks, umm kids who did all the punching get arrested.

Yeah those dirty coppers seem to have had it out for them.

My friend's son was driving with his family by Ala Moana mall when he came up on a group of about 20 people including some RIMPAC guys in civi clothes who had been drinking standing in the middle of the street holding up traffic, stopping cars so they could hang out for several minutes. He leaned out the window and told them that they aren't in a crosswalk and about 10 guys surrounded the car and called him out. He was blocked in so fearing for the safety of his family he stepped out of the car and knocked down one of the guys and took off running with the rest chasing him. His brother was hanging down the street and saw the group running towards him, so he hit a couple guys knocking them down as well. They squared off and the two brothers who were backing up when some of their friends came out and the held off the group of RIMPAC guys until the cops showed up. The cops immediately arrest the two brothers, take statements from the RIMPAC guys who were complaining about being assaulted, and refused to take statements from the brother's wife and other witnesses there who saw what happened. The cops gave them some papers and told them to come down to the station and file their statements in the morning if they wanted to. The sergeant set the bail at $1000 for the two brothers, and they are sitting in jail right now so my friend has to come down in the morning to pick them up. While the cops were taking the statements the RIMPAC guys were shouting threats to my friends who stopped the beat down (not exactly a fight) and the whole time RIMPAC guys are shouting threats saying they are going to come back and kill him and taking pictures of him and his family with their phones. My friend told the cops to arrest them for terroristic threatening, but the cops said they couldn't do that. The RIMPAC guys walk, cops haul away the brothers leaving their wives and crying kids and my friends looking over their shoulders just in case.

The brothers and my friend just happen to have brown skin, and even though I told them it's probably because the cops don't want to deal with MP's and more paperwork they still feel like they were unfairly treated because of their ethnicity. The lawyer said HPD is going easy on soldiers because of RIMPAC, and hopefully he can get the kids off in the am because of the improper police procedure. I call them kids because they are 20 years old. My friends were stunned at how people who live here and work here are treated like second class citizens just because the military industrial complex happens to be wasting money on war toys just to intimidate China. I tell them that by the looks of what is going on in Anaheim and the rest of the country it's likely to get worse.

1.  People are in the street.


hanging out blocking traffic for several minutes. stopping cars trying to go around.

2.  Friend's son (let's call him SL for solid local) instead of calling police made a comment about the people not being in the crosswalk.

telling someone to move isn't a crime.

3.  SL gets out of the vehicle and instigates and assault.  SL has effectively caused the situation, willingly participated, and caused its escalation.

they surround the car and threaten him and his family. he gets out and a people start swinging. I don't know how it went down but his intention was to draw them away from his family. he just happens to be better at connecting punches and quick on his feet so it didn't turn into a total beat-down

4.  SL's brother hits a couple of people in the group.............now I am noting how you didn't say SL's brother who at this time with fear for his brother's life/maiming/serious injury/rape/and or sodomy attempted to stop the group.............note that these guys could have ran into a store front at which point most likely this situation would have stopped.

you see a bunch of guys chasing your bro and swinging at him are you going to just stand by? he was running to a store front where his brother was but didn't make it there, so his bro came to him instead.

Again SL's brother willingly participated in the situation and caused it to escalate even further.  One should also note that the brother did not yell out to others in the area to call police.

defending your brother from a beat down is escalation? 10 to 1? what do you thing the group was doing, chasing after him to make a citizens arrest? come on man.

5.  This being said the group of people also contributed to the situation, but obviously they are the one's who called the police.

obviously? i'm starting to think you are more interested in proving me wrong. there were several other drivers who witnessed it (and the cops refused to take their statements) but I guess it's possible while they were in a running fist fight someone managed to pull our their phone and had 911 on speed dial. Unless you have the phone records it doesn't seem that obvious to me.

6.  Lawyer obviously doesn't know the ungoldly crap that a CO will give his guys if his guys screw up, nor it seems do you.

To each his own... but if my wife and kid are in the car I'm not going to start trouble.  Call me a pussy (don't) but sticking your head out the window and telling drunk people to move is just about calling someone out.  If I was outnumbered 10 to 1, I would call the cops, turn on the video, roll up the windows and start honking at them to get out of the way.  FWIW, I don't believe CCW would lead to murder in a case like this.  The people I know that legally carry would only draw if your life depends on it.  And they wouldn't jump out the car and start hitting people.  And they wouldn't draw just because someone false cracked them.

All excellent points. Obviously the kid knew how to handle himself and probably had some idea of what he was getting into. Not that it makes it right or wrong but I'm in the same school of thought as you about laying low and letting the danger pass/force escalation as a last resort.

The two brothers got out in the morning and all charges dropped. Later that night after I left some other drunk military guys started something again trying to force their way into a closed social gathering but this time the odds were a little more even and 3 guys got ko'd before the other ones realized they messed up and dragged their friends away apologizing profusely. They really should have a warning at the bases about why it's not a good idea to get drunk and start up with local guys. These aren't two minute brawls with haymakers and swearing. They just connect once and it's lights out.

Good to see some MP's patrolling the streets tonight, too.

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Quote from: GZire on August 02, 2012, 05:52:06 PM

    1.  People are in the street.


    hanging out blocking traffic for several minutes. stopping cars trying to go around.

    2.  Friend's son (let's call him SL for solid local) instead of calling police made a comment about the people not being in the crosswalk.

    telling someone to move isn't a crime.

    3.  SL gets out of the vehicle and instigates and assault.  SL has effectively caused the situation, willingly participated, and caused its escalation.

    they surround the car and threaten him and his family. he gets out and a people start swinging. I don't know how it went down but his intention was to draw them away from his family. he just happens to be better at connecting punches and quick on his feet so it didn't turn into a total beat-down

    4.  SL's brother hits a couple of people in the group.............now I am noting how you didn't say SL's brother who at this time with fear for his brother's life/maiming/serious injury/rape/and or sodomy attempted to stop the group.............note that these guys could have ran into a store front at which point most likely this situation would have stopped.

    you see a bunch of guys chasing your bro and swinging at him are you going to just stand by? he was running to a store front where his brother was but didn't make it there, so his bro came to him instead.

    Again SL's brother willingly participated in the situation and caused it to escalate even further.  One should also note that the brother did not yell out to others in the area to call police.

    defending your brother from a beat down is escalation? 10 to 1? what do you thing the group was doing, chasing after him to make a citizens arrest? come on man.

    5.  This being said the group of people also contributed to the situation, but obviously they are the one's who called the police.

    obviously? i'm starting to think you are more interested in proving me wrong. there were several other drivers who witnessed it (and the cops refused to take their statements) but I guess it's possible while they were in a running fist fight someone managed to pull our their phone and had 911 on speed dial. Unless you have the phone records it doesn't seem that obvious to me.

    6.  Lawyer obviously doesn't know the ungoldly crap that a CO will give his guys if his guys screw up, nor it seems do you.

The whole point is that they deserve some ungodly crap for their behavior, especially the part where they threatened to come back and kill people. I really hope this makes it to the attention of their superior, but somehow I doubt it will.

All excellent points. Obviously the kid knew how to handle himself and probably had some idea of what he was getting into. Not that it makes it right or wrong but I'm in the same school of thought as you about laying low and letting the danger pass/force escalation as a last resort.

The two brothers got out in the morning and all charges dropped. Later that night after I left some other drunk military guys started something again trying to force their way into a closed social gathering but this time the odds were a little more even and 3 guys got ko'd before the other ones realized they messed up and dragged their friends away apologizing profusely. They really should have a warning at the bases about why it's not a good idea to get drunk and start up with local guys. These aren't two minute brawls with haymakers and swearing. They just connect once and it's lights out.

Good to see some MP's patrolling the streets tonight, too.

Where are these incidents taking place? Being that it is illegal to be drinking in public parks and beaches.