They can recycle batteries now. 
https://www.autofutures.tv/2020/12/14/battery-recycling/

You are correct about the pipeline vs trucks/ships.  But I think the goal of this isn't to just stop the pipeline and keep status quo.  But to lessen/stop using oil/gas period.  The pipeline is just another delay tactic for petro.

Also, the article states that currently the value of the recycled materials is not sufficient to justify recycling.  In real terms, that means the quality of the batteries from recycled material is not as good as the batteries made from new raw materials.  Logic says that can lead to additional cost to consumers using those batteries because they wear out quicker or fail to perform to expectations.

Not everything is as it is advertised.  The energy needed to recycle and remanufacture lithium batteries is just one aspect.  Also have to consider consumer prices compared to new, longevity (number of charge/discharge cycles), power produced, and number of times the material can be recovered (# of times a battery can be recycled and still yield quality material).

Anyway, it's still not working...now.

Has anyone taken apart a lithium based battery pack? Anything. A laptop pack? How about a hybrid vehicle pack?
I can tell you it isn't easy to do. How do you think batt recyclers will accomplish the task cost effectively? Most cells are welded to nickel strips and wired to a BMS (if they are quality packs). So imagine undoing all those processes cost effectively. What do you do with the rest of the pack? The wire, plastic cases etc.?
On a similar note why not recycle electronic components such as capacitors? Anyone bought recycled caps? Because it is cheaper to buy them brand new. To efficiently desolder a cap from a PCB requires a good desoldering tool, some skill and patience. You know how they recycle old electronic PCBs? They burn it.

All that article was is a bunch of fluffy words from a company. They claim to do it but offered no insight to price or how they'd manage the process.

Has anyone taken apart a lithium based battery pack? Anything. A laptop pack? How about a hybrid vehicle pack?
I can tell you it isn't easy to do. How do you think batt recyclers will accomplish the task cost effectively? Most cells are welded to nickel strips and wired to a BMS (if they are quality packs). So imagine undoing all those processes cost effectively. What do you do with the rest of the pack? The wire, plastic cases etc.?
On a similar note why not recycle electronic components such as capacitors? Anyone bought recycled caps? Because it is cheaper to buy them brand new. To efficiently desolder a cap from a PCB requires a good desoldering tool, some skill and patience. You know how they recycle old electronic PCBs? They burn it.

All that article was is a bunch of fluffy words from a company. They claim to do it but offered no insight to price or how they'd manage the process.
I'd be very interested in how they will accomplish the task. Removing 70 cells from a 52 volt battery pack and then soldering and welding in new cells is a major time consuming project. The article did mention that lithium packs aren't friendly to being recycled. Good reason is that good reliable pack doesn't have loose cells flopping around with springs holding them together. Lithium batts have a higher discharge rate then typical alkaline batts, so safety trumps.convenience.

The hub is the centralized refinery to refine the intermediary product
from the spokes into battery-grade materials,

I had a cell battery (IDK if was lithium) get punctured and it started to smoke and swell.  I put it in water and that seemed to only anger it.  So I put it on cinder blocks and waited an hour or so until it cooled down.

So moral of the story is that it's not easy to dispose of and can catch fire and burn stuff if not careful.  Had I been indoors, it might not have worked out so well.

So you're saying that someone who doesn't think 3 steps ahead will not understand what the article is saying?  Shocker.

Not really, it was said it can't be.  I proved it can.  Might not be happening now, but soon.  And no they don't just take it apart.  They apparently grind it up and extract the minerals.  I read it on a different site but just re-read it.  Still applies.


Li-Cycle recovers at least 95% of all materials found in lithium-ion batteries. The company processes all types of lithium-ion batteries regardless of their previous use, chemistry, or state of charge.

Not really, it was said it can't be.  I proved it can.  Might not be happening now, but soon.  And no they don't just take it apart.  They apparently grind it up and extract the minerals.  I read it on a different site but just re-read it.  Still applies.


Li-Cycle recovers at least 95% of all materials found in lithium-ion batteries. The company processes all types of lithium-ion batteries regardless of their previous use, chemistry, or state of charge.

If what you don't know can't hurt you, you're invulnerable.

If what you don't know can't hurt you, you're invulnerable.

Do you own an electric car, any large scaled battery, PV or any of those technologies you mentioned? You made any of those ideas work? Remember the conservation of energy in physics

The batteries cause more harm to the environment that gas does.  Mining the materials for them is destructive and the batteries cannot be recycled, but must sit in a landfill forever, same goes with the fans on a wind powered turbine.  Those have to be replaced and when they do, it just sits. 

We went over this with Omni months ago and the convo went in circles.  Now add in the XL pipe line, instead of oil being pumped down a tube, now it has to be driven by thousands of trucks and ships, which all consume gas and have pollutants..  Yes that is way more green than having a steel pipe.

The issue with H20 power/Ocean, how many tree hugger org's fight against building such a thing? 

I do think some people's hearts are in the right place, but not their brain.

The only thing making E cars cool is Tesla. I know a good amount of Porsche owners who bought 1. They would never buy a Prius or even a BMW E car.

I have solar hot water. 

Most of the ways of producing energy harm the environment in one way or another. Some in production, some in disposal, some both.

I haven't seen tree huggers against tidal/wave electricity but some do protest hydro-electric dams due to certain problems they make.

I would certainly argue that green technologies aren't nearly that green at all but I wouldn't go so far as to say they are worse than gasoline vehicles. More like they are bad but in a different way.

I would point out that there is a lot of progress potential for electric vehicles though so crapping on them is a bit premature. As the technologies improve there is a lot of room for the "green technologies" to become much more green. Seems like there isn't a lot of room to improve gas engines. So I support pursuing green energy alternatives because even though they aren't where they need to be, we can't get there by only sticking to traditional energy sources.