Hmmm (Read 5283 times)

Brystont1

Hmmm
« on: January 19, 2021, 06:47:37 PM »
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Watching Trumps goodbye speech made me pretty sad to see. I personally think he was/will be the greatest president of my lifetime and I didn’t even get to vote for him the first time  :'( .

However if Trumps “conservative” justice appointments do not start quickly bearing fruit for us his administration will have done absolutely nothing for us gun owners. I understand his presidency was about more than just 2A rights but boy am I getting impatient waiting for the NRA endorsed president to do something for guns.

His latest executive order kinda makes me think he really never gave a shit about gun owners.

hvybarrels

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2021, 11:50:02 PM »
If he pardons Assange I am buying a Maga hat. If not then he deserved Russiagate
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

omnigun

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2021, 06:03:42 AM »
If he pardons Assange I am buying a Maga hat. If not then he deserved Russiagate

He's busy pardoning his criminal supporters

Brystont1

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2021, 08:03:19 AM »
If he pardons Assange I am buying a Maga hat. If not then he deserved Russiagate

GOP leadership is threatening to impeach trump if he pardons Assange apparently.

mrgaf

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2021, 08:51:59 AM »
He's busy pardoning his criminal supporters

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hvybarrels

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2021, 08:54:39 AM »
GOP leadership is threatening to impeach trump if he pardons Assange apparently.

He could have gone out a legend. There must have been tremendous pressure, but it is still disappointing. I hope to have the courage to make the right decision some day.
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

changemyoil66

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2021, 09:34:13 AM »
So 2a freedom for thee and not me. Got it.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2021, 11:09:17 AM »
GOP leadership is threatening to impeach trump if he pardons Assange apparently.

They can't impeach over his discretionary use of Constitutional Pardon Powers.  Unless he or someone close to him was bribed or somehow benefitted personally from the pardon, he can pardon anybody he likes and for any reason.

Pres Ford pardoned Nixon, which they say is probably why he lost to Carter.  Trump's not in that boat, obviously, so there's nothing stopping him from pardoning Assange.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2021, 11:35:17 AM »
They can't impeach over his discretionary use of Constitutional Pardon Powers.  Unless he or someone close to him was bribed or somehow benefitted personally from the pardon, he can pardon anybody he likes and for any reason.

Pres Ford pardoned Nixon, which they say is probably why he lost to Carter.  Trump's not in that boat, obviously, so there's nothing stopping him from pardoning Assange.

You are missing the point. It is not illegal to pardon journalists and whistleblowers, but if he did the deep state threatened to come after him with everything they have on completely unrelated charges. Not like they aren't going to do that anyway 
Stop blaming lazy people. We didn’t do anything.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2021, 01:26:29 PM »
You are missing the point. It is not illegal to pardon journalists and whistleblowers, but if he did the deep state threatened to come after him with everything they have on completely unrelated charges. Not like they aren't going to do that anyway

I don't think there are any legitimate charges anyone can levy against Trump at this point.  if there were, they would not have used "abuse of power" and "attempting to incite insurrection" for impeaching him already.

Anything else is just a threat -- baseless, empty threats.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2021, 08:52:45 AM »
If he pardons Assange I am buying a Maga hat. If not then he deserved Russiagate
I’m not sure I would go that far. Deserve Russiagate? Come on man, you know the thing!

Seriously tho I was not too sure about pardoning Assange but after some thought I agree I think he should have. It’s too bad he didn’t.
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Kuleana

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2021, 09:28:46 AM »
GOP leadership is threatening to impeach trump if he pardons Assange apparently.
If true, then this is nothing, but more proof of how the leaders of the US empire really control everything.  Assange has the goods to spill the beans, hence, he, like Snowden, are imperial enemies #1 and #2, respectively, in the eyes, of the US empire.

You can be sure that Trump has been warned not to cross the empire's bottom line.  For example, Trump has not:

1.  Authorize an audit of the FED
2.  Stopped all the illegal wars and occupations abroad
3.  Closed the borders to illegal immigration
4.  Pardoned Assange and Snowden
5.  Drain the Swap
6.  Clean-up the US electoral process
7.  PROSECUTE THE CLINTONS

I really wished he would have and I do believe Trump was allowed some token, but reversible success (e.g., Supreme Court).  However, I suspect he was indirectly told about the Kennedy treatment, if he pushed too far, which could explain why he never went all the way to accomplish the above sample list.

Brystont1

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2021, 12:41:54 PM »
If true, then this is nothing, but more proof of how the leaders of the US empire really control everything.  Assange has the goods to spill the beans, hence, he, like Snowden, are imperial enemies #1 and #2, respectively, in the eyes, of the US empire.

You can be sure that Trump has been warned not to cross the empire's bottom line.  For example, Trump has not:

1.  Authorize an audit of the FED
2.  Stopped all the illegal wars and occupations abroad
3.  Closed the borders to illegal immigration
4.  Pardoned Assange and Snowden
5.  Drain the Swap
6.  Clean-up the US electoral process
7.  PROSECUTE THE CLINTONS

I really wished he would have and I do believe Trump was allowed some token, but reversible success (e.g., Supreme Court).  However, I suspect he was indirectly told about the Kennedy treatment, if he pushed too far, which could explain why he never went all the way to accomplish the above sample list.

I think the problem is that all the things you listed cannot be accomplished by one man. The president doesn’t, nor should he, have that kind of power. What he did was lay the foundation for the future to do all the things you listed. He exposed the corruption in the DOJ, Washington, and the media. Now people will start to question what they believe and will look to other sources for information.

eyeeatingfish

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2021, 08:31:03 PM »
If he pardons Assange I am buying a Maga hat. If not then he deserved Russiagate

Assange? I could see Snowden but Assange?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2021, 11:42:58 PM »
Assange? I could see Snowden but Assange?

Assange broke no US laws.  He's not a US citizen, nor is he a terrorist.

People who DID break the law (DNC server hackers, Manning, etc), provided the info to WikiLeaks.  The info was not posted online immediately.  Assange had the info reviewed first for classified or sensitive info that might cause physical harm or death. 

Assange was never a criminal in US eyes until he posted the emails from the DNC, which Podesta basically caused by using a crappy account password.

These emails are how we discovered Clinton was still using a private server for all her official State Department communications.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2021, 08:03:50 AM »
I think the problem is that all the things you listed cannot be accomplished by one man.
Some of the things I listed could have been accomplished by Trump, during his Presidency.  With the exception, of draining the swamp and overhauling the US presidential electoral process, it was not unfeasible for Trump to have tackled the rest of the items I listed.



He exposed the corruption in the DOJ, Washington, and the media. Now people will start to question what they believe and will look to other sources for information.
Corruption in the US government is not recent news.  Everyone knows how corrupt the US federal government is and have been questioning many things for decades.  What was needed was grass roots action; the kind that was on display at the US Capitol on January 6th.  Unfortunately, the US empire has since feverishly working hard to distract the population to some other nonsense issues, while demonizing and prosecuting those patriots that were inspired (i.e., not ordered) by Trump to make change.

ren

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2021, 09:10:13 AM »
Assange broke no US laws.  He's not a US citizen, nor is he a terrorist.

People who DID break the law (DNC server hackers, Manning, etc), provided the info to WikiLeaks.  The info was not posted online immediately.  Assange had the info reviewed first for classified or sensitive info that might cause physical harm or death. 

Assange was never a criminal in US eyes until he posted the emails from the DNC, which Podesta basically caused by using a crappy account password.

These emails are how we discovered Clinton was still using a private server for all her official State Department communications.

Surprised that you had to point this out to the all knowledgeable
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changemyoil66

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2021, 11:21:12 AM »
Surprised that you had to point this out to the all knowledgeable

Even the IT guys need to go on reddit and ask how to erase servers and then plead the 5th during a hearing.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2021, 12:15:25 PM »
Surprised that you had to point this out to the all knowledgeable

It only takes a moment to REMEMBER how Clinton and Obama blamed an obscure video on YouTube for the attack on Benghazi.  The FBI arrested the video maker and tried to put the investigation into the TERRORIST ATTACK ON OUR US CONSULATE THAT KILLED 4 AMERICANS to bed.

Going after Assange is another Clinton diversion.  Instead of allowing the press to focus on the CONTENT of the leaked emails, they wanted us to focus on the PERSON that published them.  Pure misdirection.

Obama commuted Manning's sentence before leaving office.  He was the actual criminal in the leaks.  Assange was just the publisher and was not under US jurisdiction.  Yet, he's still a wanted man in the US?

They want us to ignore the forrest and only see the trees they want us to see.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Hmmm
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2021, 07:52:57 PM »
Assange broke no US laws.  He's not a US citizen, nor is he a terrorist.

People who DID break the law (DNC server hackers, Manning, etc), provided the info to WikiLeaks.  The info was not posted online immediately.  Assange had the info reviewed first for classified or sensitive info that might cause physical harm or death. 

Assange was never a criminal in US eyes until he posted the emails from the DNC, which Podesta basically caused by using a crappy account password.

These emails are how we discovered Clinton was still using a private server for all her official State Department communications.

As I understand the USA's case against Assange there could be a violation of US laws. It has to do with whether Assange assisted Chelsea Manning in stealing the information. If Manning merely gave Assange the information then he is protected however if Manning provided any sort of assistance to commit the theft.

Assange has been the subject of active investigation for quite some time before Hillary's emails though.

It is interesting that republicans seemed to be quite critical of Assange until he released info about Hillary's emails.