Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301 (Read 4098 times)

Hoplite

Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301
« on: January 22, 2021, 07:16:46 PM »
FYI: this bill that Karl Rhodes is introducing would make any shotgun with a detachable magazine illegal as well as almost every semiautomatic rifle and pistol on the market.  This legislation cannot go unchallenged. Make sure to submit your testimony against it as soon as possible.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=SB&billnumber=301&year=2021

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/memberpage.aspx?member=rhoads
« Last Edit: January 22, 2021, 07:25:13 PM by Hoplite »

fishandshoot

Re: Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2021, 07:24:04 PM »
Will do.

Byron808

Re: Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2021, 07:38:00 PM »
Not allowed to make testimony yet.  Hopefully soon.


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MassConfusion

Re: Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2021, 11:11:34 PM »
I would like to know what goes through these people's heads. Beyond broad is an understatement, I don't know what the percentage of guns with detachable mags is but I'm.pretty sure this would be more than 50 percent of them. Next year it will be any gun that can hold more than a single shot.
If this doesn't meet the threshold for infringement nothing would.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2021, 12:31:07 AM »
I just watched a video from CA where almost a dozen Cops showed up in full tactical gear waving a search warrant because the homeowner tried to register his AR pistol brace that IF ASSEMBLED OR STORED IMPROPERLY would be a FELONY..

What they found was the pistol brace in question was "double-locked" as required by CA law and not assembled to a working firearm.  Had it been found stored in a way that CA law prohibits, he could have been charged with a felony, and he would say bye-bye to his 2A rights.

As we all keep saying, the only purpose of registration is confiscation, and the only reason for most of the administrative gun laws is to create legal landmines to strip gun owners of their right to keep and bear arms.  Any other reason given is a lie, given that the normally-offered reasons never seem to ever do what was advertised.


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

jd0210

Re: Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2021, 09:07:56 AM »
This would be my first time giving testimony, are there any examples?

macsak

Re: Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2021, 09:10:19 AM »
This would be my first time giving testimony, are there any examples?

there will be a presentation by hifico in the beginning of feb
members here also leave samples for people to read for each bill...

aieahound

Re: Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2021, 03:34:56 PM »
“    There are no upcoming hearings for this bill in which public testimony will be accepted. “

Somebody please let us know as soon as testimony can be submitted and tell every firearm owner you know to submit testimony.


“Assault rifle" means a semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following characteristics:

6. A shroud that is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned:”

Isn’t that every semi-auto rifle ? What are we supposed to do ? Shoot the rifle with one hand ?

And that’s just tip of the iceberg with this bill.

Section 1 totally explains why this bill is not needed and excessive.

Karl Rhodes is an idiot.

This is MADNESS !

« Last Edit: January 23, 2021, 10:49:51 PM by aieahound »

Hoplite

Re: Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2021, 10:02:11 AM »
A few years ago when a similar flawed bill was presented I wrote this letter to the senators in response to it. Please feel free to copy, edit and use the text to send your own similar letters now if you wish. All the contact info for our senators can be found on the Hawaii Capitol website.

Dear Senator,

Recently gun control has become a bit of a national topic in the hopes that somehow making more, and more restrictive laws will somehow only takes firearms away from criminals and the mentally ill.  I can not agree with this logic at all.  The term assault weapon specifically refers to fully automatic weapons that are used by the military.  Currently in Hawaii and in most States fully automatic weapons of any type are already illegal.  A semi-automatic firearm does not have any increased rate of fire than other firearms.  All the semi-automatic refers to is the it cycles the bolt on its own mechanically instead of the shooter having to manually operate the bolt for each round.  A well trained marksman could fire the same number of shots just as fast with a revolver, bolt action or a semi-auto so I don't see how a semi-automatic firearm is more dangerous than any other firearm.  Honestly can you really think of a single firearm that could not be used to assault someone?  They are weapons just like any other dangerous instrument and need to be handled responsibly and with respect.

The second amendment of the US constitution is very clear in saying;  A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.  In 2008 The Supreme Court ruled in The District of Columbia v. Heller, (554 U.S. 570) that the Second Amendment protects an individuals right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia and to use that arm for traditional purposes, such as self-defense within the home and within many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms.  In 2010 McDonald v. Chicago, (562 U.S. 3025) the court ruled that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government. 

I have heard arguments made that the second Amendment was referring to flintlock muskets only because that is all they had at the time.  I can't see how people intelligent enough to write the constitution could not have imagined that there would be new inventions and improvements to all manner of things including firearms.  If we say that the second amendment only applies to certain types of firearms that are not modern then couldn't the same logic be used to say that the first amendment doesn't apply to the internet or television as when it was written these were not considered.  Or that the fourth amendment doesn't apply because they didn't consider camera's or DNA or other modern forensics.  Our founding fathers wrote the 2nd amendment specifically meaning for the people to be as well armed as any country is, including our own, so as to give the people a means to defend themselves from the tyranny that we had just fought for independence from and spilled countless amounts of American blood for.

I have also seen people argue that, what do you need a semi-automatic AR-15 or AK-47 or other so called "Assault Rifle" for?  They argue that they aren't good for hunting or home defense.  If they were so bad for this purpose then why do millions of people across the nation use them for it?  Did Rosa Parks need to sit in the front of the bus?  Did Susan B. Anthony need to vote?  Or did any journalist ever need to write anything unpleasant or controversial?  In the United States of America when has there ever been a requirement to prove a need to exercise a right?

I urge you as one of your constituents, who is also a registered voter, to vote against any measure that would make ownership of any firearm or part thereof by a law abiding, responsible, person in the United States of America and all 50 states illegal.   The passing of any such law would only serve to strip us of our constitutional rights.

If you truly want to make an effective difference with gun violence instead go after the real problem.  Find ways to help States prosecute and punish properly those who would use firearms maliciously to commit crimes.   In every act out there that a firearm was used in a crime there was also a criminal disregarding the current laws that prohibited him from doing such an act.  Also we must find a better way to help the mentally ill so as to prevent them from being allowed to hurt themselves or others due to their mental instability.   In each incident such as the Xerox shooting in Hawaii, the Theater Shooting in Colorado, The Sandy Hook Elementary shooting, Ect..  Under current law all these people who did these abhorrent things were mentally ill and already under current law prohibited from firearm possession or ownership.  If they had access to proper medical help or counseling perhaps these tragedies could have been avoided.

Thank you for your time in reading this and for your service to the great State of Hawaii as Senator.

Aloha

hvybarrels

Re: Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2021, 08:21:06 PM »

6. A shroud that is attached to or partially or completely encircles the barrel and permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the second hand without being burned:”

Isn’t that every semi-auto rifle ? What are we supposed to do ? Shoot the rifle with one hand ?


That's not a shroud. That's furniture.
Is an armadillo just a tactical opossum?

hvybarrels

Re: Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2021, 08:23:36 PM »
The most deadly part of the weapon. To think we did not know about this!
Is an armadillo just a tactical opossum?

eyeeatingfish

Re: Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2021, 08:24:06 PM »
That's not a shroud. That's furniture.

It still meets the definition of shroud according to the proposed law.

robtmc

Re: Hawaii legislator 2021 / SB301
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2021, 02:01:17 PM »
They screwed up when they left out "The shoulder thing that goes up"