China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments (Read 19024 times)

omnigun

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2021, 12:49:16 PM »
they are not "pretty similar"
more means more
continues means remains the same
once again, doesn't admit when wrong
adulting is hard

When Trump was doing "more" than obama.  Biden doing "more" than Trump would be a continuance of escalation. 

macsak

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2021, 12:56:03 PM »
When Trump was doing "more" than obama.  Biden doing "more" than Trump would be a continuance of escalation.

that's not what you said...

ren

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2021, 12:57:10 PM »
Deeds Not Words

groveler

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2021, 12:59:58 PM »
I fail to understand why China has such a hard-on for Taiwan.
Perhaps the Chinese have forgotten how much suffering war causes.
Taiwan's greatest asset is its people and killing them off doesn't
make much sense. 
As for America going to the rescue, I think all that will happen is
we will obliterate the PLAN,  lose a carrier or two and Stalemate.
with Taiwan being lost.
Japan will assemble it's nukes and arm itself to the teeth.








omnigun

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2021, 01:03:23 PM »
that's not what you said...

I hope Biden is more for Taiwan than Trump was.   Hope he makes an official war pact like Japan.

Yes it is

Flapp_Jackson

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2021, 01:10:03 PM »
When Trump was doing "more" than obama.  Biden doing "more" than Trump would be a continuance of escalation.

More is a comparative adjective.

I have more money than you.  Does that mean I'm rich?  Does it mean you're poor?

You can't interpret that to mean anything other than one has more than the other, and one has less than the other.

Your interpretation is about as stupid an argument as I've seen from you.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2021, 01:12:51 PM »
Yes it is

no, it's not
you said trump did more than obama in your later post
you didn't say anything about that initially
you said you hope biden does more than trump
and didn't know that trump already supported taiwan more than any other administration
as shown by your use of "Interesting." when faced with actual evidence vs your ignorant belives about trump's taiwan policy
just admit it rather than digging your hole deeper and deeper

adulting is hard...,

ren

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2021, 01:18:03 PM »
all those vaping breaks at State is doing its toll on someone's brain...either that or kindergarten is on recess
Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2021, 01:18:48 PM »
I fail to understand why China has such a hard-on for Taiwan.
Perhaps the Chinese have forgotten how much suffering war causes.
Taiwan's greatest asset is its people and killing them off doesn't
make much sense. 
Taiwan has always been a legal part of China.  China does not want war, but will not tolerate Taiwan declaring independence and then have an imperial US base stationed there.  Its that simple.



As for America going to the rescue, I think all that will happen is
we will obliterate the PLAN,  lose a carrier or two and Stalemate.
with Taiwan being lost.
If there is a shooting war with China, that is essentially WWIII.  China will never surrender and have no problems fighting to the bitter end with anyone that crosses their bottom line.  Taiwan being one of them.

Case-in-point, China knew the atomic risks of fighting the Americans in the Korean War.  However, Mao correctly knew, if the DPRK falls, there will be and would have been an American base on the border with China.

As far as the US empire is concerned, any amount of death is acceptable, for their global domination.



Japan will assemble it's nukes and arm itself to the teeth.
That will not happen, since it would not be, in the US empire's interest.  If Japan rearms and acquires nuclear weapons, it would naturally begin breaking their vassal status with the US empire.

changemyoil66

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2021, 01:23:51 PM »
As 1 of the only members here with direct ties to Taiwan, here is what my inlaws said about China.

They don't like China and nor do majority of the country.  When COVID first began, Taiwan was already watching China closely back in Oct 2019.  Then in Jan 2020, they closed off their country.  China screwed them over the Swine Flu a decade prior.   So bad that till this day, the MRT (train) has signs that say no pigs allowed on board.  These are nice trains too, not like the shitty ones you see in India packed with people overflowing.  The trains have WIFI and are nice and cool due to the AC. They're very clean, almost brand new looking.  So for them to have a special sign that says no pigs allowed means something.

China has a hard on for Taiwan, and if it wasn't for the US, they would have invaded many years ago.  And would win because they out number Taiwan.  For comparison, Taiwan is like Hong Kong.  HK people want the CCP out of their area and to be on their own.  This is what Taiwan is.  HK is trying to be like Taiwan, so just look at  it that way. 

HK was 1 step closer to independence until COVID hit.  They just removed CCP type education from their school system.  This is what the 100,000 HK person protest accomplished.  Then COVID hit and the streets were empty.  Then the CCP ruled it can imprison HK people for speaking bad about the CCP and extradite them to mainland China.  So Corona isn't tin foil, it was China's hail mary.  Losing HK, lost the trade war to the US, how much longer before other countries follow suit?

A week into the new president, China is testing him to see what  they can get away with by violating Taiwan airspace.  China won and will test more I predict. 

omnigun

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2021, 01:43:13 PM »
More is a comparative adjective.

I have more money than you.  Does that mean I'm rich?  Does it mean you're poor?

You can't interpret that to mean anything other than one has more than the other, and one has less than the other.

Your interpretation is about as stupid an argument as I've seen from you.

You are richer than me.  That can be known.   And if the objective was wealth that's all the variables that need to be known to compare us.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2021, 01:45:11 PM »
You are richer than me.  That can be known.   And if the objective was wealth that's all the variables that need to be known to compare us.

You offered no such variables in your original statement.  Now you're tap dancing.

Just stop trying to get up after you've been knocked down over and over.  You already lost.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2021, 01:51:00 PM »
no, it's not
you said trump did more than obama in your later post
you didn't say anything about that initially
you said you hope biden does more than trump
and didn't know that trump already supported taiwan more than any other administration
as shown by your use of "Interesting." when faced with actual evidence vs your ignorant belives about trump's taiwan policy
just admit it rather than digging your hole deeper and deeper

adulting is hard...,

It was interesting to see exactly what Trump did more than Obama.  I knew he did more but not the exact things.  Also he did not meet my goals that I want so Biden has the opportunity to always be better.  I did not say anything about initially because my goal wasn't to compare Trump and Obama.  It was to compare Trump and Biden.  I said I hope Biden does more than Trump.  Which remains true.  Trump did not reach my goals to see the USA officially have a war pact with taiwan.

ren

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2021, 01:55:45 PM »


"your goals" that is so fucking hilarious. You are so off in fantasy land buttfucking a unicorn in that magic mushroom pasture of yours.

"My goals" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Deeds Not Words

changemyoil66

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2021, 02:13:26 PM »
On a side not, when we 1st went here, I was told not to refer to the language as "speaking Chinese". Its to be referred to as "speaking Mandarin".

omnigun

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2021, 02:30:24 PM »


"your goals" that is so fucking hilarious. You are so off in fantasy land buttfucking a unicorn in that magic mushroom pasture of yours.

"My goals" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You have goals too. Everyone does.  Not sure why you so butthurt about it. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2021, 02:41:08 PM »
You have goals too. Everyone does.  Not sure why you so butthurt about it.

Please, list your "goals" for us, so we can see whether they match ours or not.

Saying you have goals and being able to articulate them are two different things.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2021, 04:45:57 PM »
China has a hard on for Taiwan, and if it wasn't for the US, they would have invaded many years ago.  And would win because they out number Taiwan.  For comparison, Taiwan is like Hong Kong.  HK people want the CCP out of their area and to be on their own.  This is what Taiwan is.  HK is trying to be like Taiwan, so just look at  it that way. 
What makes you think all the people of Taiwan and HK, for that matter, hate China?  If not for China, both the economies of Taiwan and HK would collapse and particularly Taiwan would need to borrow cash from anyone foolish to loan them money that they could never pay back.



HK was 1 step closer to independence until COVID hit.
Ridiculous nonsense.



They just removed CCP type education from their school system.  This is what the 100,000 HK person protest accomplished.
No; insurgents in HK's educational system subverted the teaching of Chinese history to purposely brainwash younger HK residents into thinking that they were not somehow Chinese.  Just like how the US imperialists began indoctrinating the school system in Hawaii, during the Territorial era, and making Hawaiian nationals believe there was no such thing, as a legally independent and internationally recognized neutral Hawaii.



Then the CCP ruled it can imprison HK people for speaking bad about the CCP and extradite them to mainland China.
The US always had similar laws for insurrection and treason, as the US empire has now begun to persecute American patriots, as domestic terrorists.



So Corona isn't tin foil, it was China's hail mary.  Losing HK, lost the trade war to the US, how much longer before other countries follow suit?
Tin Foil Hat to the max.  HK was never on the verge of separating from China; China did not lose the trade war to the US and in fact is one of the most strongest economies going into 2021; and the other vassal states you speak of, are only pursuing foreign policy, as dictated by the US empire.



A week into the new president, China is testing him to see what  they can get away with by violating Taiwan airspace.  China won and will test more I predict.
If China is testing anything, they are seeing how much America has returned into its imperial hegemonic ways, since having the last American Patriot President overthrown from office.

omnigun

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2021, 05:17:00 PM »
Please, list your "goals" for us, so we can see whether they match ours or not.

Saying you have goals and being able to articulate them are two different things.

I literally spelt out my one major goal for taiwan-usa relationship maybe 3 times in this thread....

Taiwan- USA defense treaty/pact.  Where if either country gets attacked the other helps.  Similar to Japan.

omnigun

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2021, 05:18:12 PM »
What makes you think all the people of Taiwan and HK, for that matter, hate China?  If not for China, both the economies of Taiwan and HK would collapse and particularly Taiwan would need to borrow cash from anyone foolish to loan them money that they could never pay back.


Ridiculous nonsense.


No; insurgents in HK's educational system subverted the teaching of Chinese history to purposely brainwash younger HK residents into thinking that they were not somehow Chinese.  Just like how the US imperialists began indoctrinating the school system in Hawaii, during the Territorial era, and making Hawaiian nationals believe there was no such thing, as a legally independent and internationally recognized neutral Hawaii.


The US always had similar laws for insurrection and treason, as the US empire has now begun to persecute American patriots, as domestic terrorists.


Tin Foil Hat to the max.  HK was never on the verge of separating from China; China did not lose the trade war to the US and in fact is one of the most strongest economies going into 2021; and the other vassal states you speak of, are only pursuing foreign policy, as dictated by the US empire.


If China is testing anything, they are seeing how much America has returned into its imperial hegemonic ways, since having the last American Patriot President overthrown from office.
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How much is China paying you?  Is your family in danger?  Never met such a pro-china person in my life.