China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments (Read 19040 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #80 on: January 30, 2021, 02:32:50 PM »
Your reckless use, of the term "enemy", clearly reveals your lack of understanding of international relations.  As Ren tried to educate you, the diplomatic status between any two nations, at any given time, is either in a state-of-peace or in a state-of-war.  Since there is no in-between, there can be no official "enemies", during a state-of-peace.  For example, you typically can't do business or take a vacation in a so-called "enemy nation", during a time-of-war.

Currently, the diplomatic relations between the US empire, Russia, China, and Iran are all in a state-of-peace.  Hence, being "strategic competitors", as Ren pointed out, is a very accurate way to describe the legal relationship, among those nations.  In the case of the DPRK and the ROK, they are still in a state of war, since there was no peace treaty, to officially end the Korean War, that started in the last century.  Hence, it would be legally accurate to say the DPRK and the ROK are still official "enemies" of each other.

Consequently, when politicians throw out the term "enemies" or "cold war", during a state-of-peace, that is their common propagandistic way to sway the masses to go to war, with the demonized nation, that may not necessarily be in the best interests, of its own people.

Please understand, his/her/their use of the English language is at a 3rd grade level.  It assumes the definitions of words based solely on the context in which it first encountered the word.

Hillary said the biggest enemy to the US is the GOP.  That's the definition it retained.  Enemies are political constructs, not actual military threats.  Russia "hacked" the 2016 election and made Trump President over Clinton.  That's why they are the #1 enemy to the US.

In pursuit of resources and ideological furtherance, there are those we can label as adversaries, but that's far from "enemies."  In a courtroom, the opposing parties are adversaries.  They have opposing opinions and outcomes they are seeking, but that doesn't make their adversaries enemies.

Same is true in almost all aspects of life.  On eBay, the people you're competing against to buy that rare Miss Piggy calendar are not your enemies, nor are the people driving up the price of Game Stop on the stock market. 

Countries that are looking out for their own best interests rather than trying to make sure the US gets a fair deal are our competition, not enemies.  Only when they are actively pursuing a military advantage over the US with the intention of using the threat of attack as leverage do they become enemies.

Of course, once anyone attacks, they are by definition our enemy, whether it's a country, the Taliban, Al-Quaeda, ISIS or the drug cartels.  Simply playing "the game" of international relations doesn't make one an enemy.  Trump proved how wrong it is to view anyone who isn't an ally as an enemy.  He pushed past that and extended his hand to N. Korea and many Middle Eastern countries.  This "feud" attitude of the Swamp needs to stop.  I think that's one YUUUGE reason Trump was ousted.  The establishment can't have peace break out globally.  Where would all the money for military weapons come from?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #81 on: January 30, 2021, 03:19:22 PM »
Simply playing "the game" of international relations doesn't make one an enemy.  Trump proved how wrong it is to view anyone who isn't an ally as an enemy.  He pushed past that and extended his hand to N. Korea and many Middle Eastern countries.  This "feud" attitude of the Swamp needs to stop.  I think that's one YUUUGE reason Trump was ousted.  The establishment can't have peace break out globally.  Where would all the money for military weapons come from?
Well said Flapp that I hope youngling ears are keen to pay attention.

Isn't it amazing that for all those so-called people that suppose to better suited to be US President, it would take a political novice to be the one, to offer the first attempt, of making peace, in the Korean peninsula?  That, to me, was Trump's greatest hour, in American history, and a true example of statesmanship, in the 21st Century.

However, as you rightfully cited, the US empire is not in the business of peace on Earth, but global political domination for profit.  Even worse, you can be sure Trump's attempts to end this nation's foreign military escapes as well as patriotic attempts to return America to its republic roots will not only be downplayed, in the annals, of the history, of the US empire, but barely given a paragraph, similar to the illegal annexation of Hawaii, by those same imperialists, over a century ago.

ren

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #82 on: January 30, 2021, 04:02:37 PM »
Well said Flapp that I hope youngling ears are keen to pay attention.

Isn't it amazing that for all those so-called people that suppose to better suited to be US President, it would take a political novice to be the one, to offer the first attempt, of making peace, in the Korean peninsula?  That, to me, was Trump's greatest hour, in American history, and a true example of statesmanship, in the 21st Century.

However, as you rightfully cited, the US empire is not in the business of peace on Earth, but global political domination for profit.  Even worse, you can be sure Trump's attempts to end this nation's foreign military escapes as well as patriotic attempts to return America to its republic roots will not only be downplayed, in the annals, of the history, of the US empire, but barely given a paragraph, similar to the illegal annexation of Hawaii, by those same imperialists, over a century ago.

You and I haven't found much common ground in past topics but in light of recent events, I can see some valid arguments in your posts.
Deeds Not Words

omnigun

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #83 on: January 30, 2021, 04:03:30 PM »
Your reckless use, of the term "enemy", clearly reveals your lack of understanding of international relations.  As Ren tried to educate you, the diplomatic status between any two nations, at any given time, is either in a state-of-peace or in a state-of-war.  Since there is no in-between, there can be no official "enemies", during a state-of-peace.  For example, you typically can't do business or take a vacation in a so-called "enemy nation", during a time-of-war.

Currently, the diplomatic relations between the US empire, Russia, China, and Iran are all in a state-of-peace.  Hence, being "strategic competitors", as Ren pointed out, is a very accurate way to describe the legal relationship, among those nations.  In the case of the DPRK and the ROK, they are still in a state of war, since there was no peace treaty, to officially end the Korean War, that started in the last century.  Hence, it would be legally accurate to say the DPRK and the ROK are still official "enemies" of each other.

Consequently, when politicians throw out the term "enemies" or "cold war", during a state-of-peace, that is their common propagandistic way to sway the masses to go to war, with the demonized nation, that may not necessarily be in the best interests, of its own people.

Explain the cold war.  Russia was our enemy.  The usage has been used before by republicans and democrats alike.  The "axis of evil" etc.  I am not too concerned about the exact specifics of the language.  But the meaning behind it.  I am perfectly fine with demonizing another bad nation who conflicts with our values and desired outcomes.  I am patriotic to America. 

ren

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #84 on: January 30, 2021, 04:07:50 PM »


absolutely ignorant. Kuleana explained it to you in easy to understand language. The "Cold War" was like 2 neighbors trying to out do each other with Christmas lights. Why do you think they called it the "COLD" War?
Deeds Not Words

omnigun

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #85 on: January 30, 2021, 04:10:24 PM »
You so gullible...

Holyshit are you seriously defending china on the treatment of Uyghur people.  I don't think I am even capable to have a conversation with you on china anymore.  That's like if you said Hitler wasn't doing anything bad to the jews during WW2 era. 

I did not know you lose sleep at night, at what happens, in a sovereign China.  I don't think Hawaiians, Mexicans, Saudis, etc. suffer insomnia or feel their freedoms are at stake, in whatever China does or does not do.

A life of ignorance can be bliss.


How can you say that, with the overthrow, of the democratically elected Trump, this past November?

No proof, trump didnt win.  #fakenews   Biden won


The reason you can't is due to the US empire's propagandistic indoctrination that you received, during your education.  Hence, the truth I provide short-circuits the programming you received, resulting in your inability to offer a critical rebuttal.

I believe you are the opposite you are suffering from the propaganda of Trump and the far right conspiracies, also china.  You are not saying the truth but lies you think are true.  If you think china isnt doing anything bad, like the Uyghur people or how they treat freedoms.  There may be no hope for you to see the "truth".  Your mind has been reformatted by the Chinese.  You would be great in china,  I am sure you social points for worshipping Xi Jinping would be sky high.  You would have to give up all guns too, china doesn't allow that.   

ren

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #86 on: January 30, 2021, 04:11:44 PM »
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #87 on: January 30, 2021, 04:16:34 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #88 on: January 30, 2021, 05:11:59 PM »
Explain the cold war.  Russia was our enemy.  The usage has been used before by republicans and democrats alike.
Ren already told you.  BTW, the Soviet Union was the Eastern Block you meant, not Russia.  Get your "Cold War" history right!



The "axis of evil" etc.
Nothing to do with the "Cold War".  Different imperial agenda.



I am perfectly fine with demonizing another bad nation who conflicts with our values and desired outcomes.  I am patriotic to America.
What you posted is really what separates a real patriot, of the American Republic, versus a subject, of the US empire.

A true patriot is governed, by the rule-of-law, of his republic, while a subject, of any empire, fanatically follows the ever-changing values and the geopolitical objectives, of its ultrawealthy power okole.

Your statement also reaffirms what I fear most younglings like yourself have become; obedient subjects of the US empire, who place their patriotism, not into the laws that distinguished the American Republic, but blind loyalty to the imperial edicts mouthpieced, by whatever pre-selected puppet that the ultrawealthy power okole wants seated in the Oval Office.
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Kuleana

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #89 on: January 30, 2021, 05:20:27 PM »
You and I haven't found much common ground in past topics but in light of recent events, I can see some valid arguments in your posts.
It is unfortunate that we currently live in troubling times, but I am happy to know we both have a better understanding of what each of us truly stands for.   :shaka:

robtmc

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #90 on: January 30, 2021, 05:37:26 PM »
You and I haven't found much common ground in past topics but in light of recent events, I can see some valid arguments in your posts.
I have been really surprised at some of his recent posts.   A lot of things that ring very true after a bit of reflection.

Perhaps his point of view allows a bit more clarity than many of us have after a lifetime of the same old rodeo year after year.

Kuleana

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #91 on: January 30, 2021, 05:46:32 PM »
Holyshit are you seriously defending china on the treatment of Uyghur people.  I don't think I am even capable to have a conversation with you on china anymore.  That's like if you said Hitler wasn't doing anything bad to the jews during WW2 era.
You bringing-up the alleged treatment of the Uyghur minorities in China does not deserve any sincere response.  Since you brought-up Hitler, you do recall how Hitler used the maltreatment of ethnic Germans living in the Sudetenland, as an excuse to annex that territory, and later the whole Czechoslovakia as well.  Funny how some old geopolitical ploys never die, don't you think?



No proof, trump didnt win.  #fakenews   Biden won
Wow.  You sound like the old pre-recorded sports scores that I used to hear, by calling the sports scores line at K59 AM Radio.



I believe you are the opposite you are suffering from the propaganda of Trump and the far right conspiracies, also china.  You are not saying the truth but lies you think are true.  If you think china isnt doing anything bad, like the Uyghur people or how they treat freedoms.  There may be no hope for you to see the "truth".  Your mind has been reformatted by the Chinese.  You would be great in china,  I am sure you social points for worshipping Xi Jinping would be sky high.  You would have to give up all guns too, china doesn't allow that.   
Interesting.

Hey everyone, according to our favorite subject citizen, of the US empire, I am now a Trump fanatic / domestic terrorist and brainwashed pro-China Internet propagandist working for President Xi Jinping.   :D

And I thought I was just some dumb unedumacated Hawaiian braddah.   :'(
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #92 on: January 30, 2021, 05:47:18 PM »
Your statement also reaffirms what I fear most younglings like yourself have become; obedient subjects of the US empire, who place their patriotism, not into the laws that distinguished the American Republic, but blind loyalty to the imperial edicts mouthpieced, by whatever pre-selected puppet that the ultrawealthy power okole wants seated in the Oval Office.

My observation is that US culture (including in Hawaii) created a "Team [fill-in-the-blank]" ideology.  Whether it's The Bachelor, America's Got Talent, The Voice, or politics, everyone has been conditioned to pick a team.  Everyone not on your team must be treated as the enemy, because you DESERVE to win -- the very thing the OTHERS will deprive you of if they win.

Divide and conquer.  Whether it's haves/have-nots, Capitalism/Socialism, Conservative/Liberal/Progressive, GOP/Dem, Religious/Atheist, Pro-Abortion/Pro-Life, Climate Change/Green new Deal/Show Me the Proof, Trump/The Swamp/The Establishment, it's always going to be about "us" vs. "them" whether we want it to be or not.

The media and the politicians make it about us and them.  No matter who wins, the opposing forces will never be united -- ever.  Because to do so deprives the power seekers of their greatest weapon -- division.

OMIGOD is just a glowing example of how effective that strategy has worked.  He belives he's an independent libertarian free-thinker.  But his comments betray him as a meat puppet taking whatever the position of those he trusts tell him over what "the others" tell him.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #93 on: January 30, 2021, 05:54:40 PM »
Hey everyone, according to our favorite subject citizen, of the US empire, I am now a Trump fanatic / domestic terrorist and brainwashed pro-China Internet propagandist working for President Xi Jinping.   :D

And I thought I was just some dumb unedumacated Hawaiian braddah.   :'(

Wasn't it Feinstein (her driver for 20 years) and Swalwell (his mistress/fund raiser & an intern), all Democrats, who let Chinese spies into the upper tiers of Washington DC politics?  Wasn't it Hunter and Joe who are under investigation for corruption in China?

After all the policies to help the US and hinder China, he/she/they still thinks Trump was pro-China?   :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You can't accuse someone of being BOTH a Trump propagandist AND a China propagandist at the same time.  Mutually exclusive realities.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #94 on: January 30, 2021, 06:20:43 PM »
OMIGOD is just a glowing example of how effective that strategy has worked.  He belives he's an independent libertarian free-thinker.  But his comments betray him as a meat puppet taking whatever the position of those he trusts tell him over what "the others" tell him.
"The others" being social masturbation websites, where she desperately wants more licks/looks,  I wager her self esteem needs daily recharging from her millennial tribe there.

omnigun

robtmc

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #96 on: February 11, 2021, 08:14:19 AM »
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ren

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #97 on: February 11, 2021, 08:29:04 AM »
"The others" being social masturbation websites, where she desperately wants more licks/looks,  I wager her self esteem needs daily recharging from her millennial tribe there.

Your prediction came through.
Deeds Not Words

Inspector

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #98 on: February 11, 2021, 10:53:41 AM »
China Applauds Biden for ‘Showing Respect’ to Xi Jinping in Lunar New Year Call

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/02/11/china-applauds-biden-for-showing-respect-to-xi-jinping-in-lunar-new-year-call/

Weird how when Breitbart just reports without editorializing they come up with a different outlook on this phone call than the main stream media does. Funny how the main stream media editorialized Biden’s “Aggressive” call with China. Yet besides “unidentified sources” there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of that. Actually, it seems to paint a bit of a different picture. Especially when Biden has reversed some of the Trump administrations hard crackdown on the Communist Chinese government. It almost looks looks to me like Biden is already giving in to the Chinese.

“Mainstream American outlets did not convey in their coverage of the call a sense that Biden had been overly effusive in sharing goodwill or “respect,” as their Chinese counterparts did. The New York Times painted the call as aggressive, leading with the claim that Biden raised “concerns about Beijing’s aggressive policies abroad and human rights abuses at home,” which Chinese outlets largely disregarded. The newspaper nonetheless noted that Biden has “said that he believed he had spent more time with Mr. Xi than he has with any other world leader.”

CNN similarly claimed that Biden “call[ed] China out on a range of issues related to its nefarious use of technology, unfair trade and human rights abuses,” citing unidentified sources within the Biden administration.

NBC News, citing the White House, also led its coverage with an emphasis on Biden mentioning the existence of human rights problems in China.”
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: China warns Taiwan 'independence means war' as US dismisses comments
« Reply #99 on: February 11, 2021, 11:12:32 AM »
China Applauds Biden for ‘Showing Respect’ to Xi Jinping in Lunar New Year Call

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/02/11/china-applauds-biden-for-showing-respect-to-xi-jinping-in-lunar-new-year-call/

Weird how when Breitbart just reports without editorializing they come up with a different outlook on this phone call than the main stream media does. Funny how the main stream media editorialized Biden’s “Aggressive” call with China. Yet besides “unidentified sources” there doesn’t seem to be any evidence of that. Actually, it seems to paint a bit of a different picture. Especially when Biden has reversed some of the Trump administrations hard crackdown on the Communist Chinese government. It almost looks looks to me like Biden is already giving in to the Chinese.

“Mainstream American outlets did not convey in their coverage of the call a sense that Biden had been overly effusive in sharing goodwill or “respect,” as their Chinese counterparts did. The New York Times painted the call as aggressive, leading with the claim that Biden raised “concerns about Beijing’s aggressive policies abroad and human rights abuses at home,” which Chinese outlets largely disregarded. The newspaper nonetheless noted that Biden has “said that he believed he had spent more time with Mr. Xi than he has with any other world leader.”

CNN similarly claimed that Biden “call[ed] China out on a range of issues related to its nefarious use of technology, unfair trade and human rights abuses,” citing unidentified sources within the Biden administration.

NBC News, citing the White House, also led its coverage with an emphasis on Biden mentioning the existence of human rights problems in China.”

But, no mention of the CHINESE SPIES caught the last few years embedded in the US government.

If they were RUSSIAN!!  :shake: spies ...

List of Chinese spy cases in the United States
Since 2018


18 Accused but not convicted.  30 Convicted.

Those are just the ones we know about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_spy_cases_in_the_United_States
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw