Utah passes permitless carry, 17th such state... Hawaii still full o' sh*t (Read 2230 times)

punaperson

I wonder when Hawaii will pass permitless carry? :rofl: Let me guess: NEVER.

Our legislature, executive branch, and judicial branch are 95%+ traitors to their oath of office (and country) to support and uphold the constitutions ("shall not be infringed") of the United States and the state of Hawaii.

In the past I asked Gabbard to introduce a permitless carry bill (he did introduce, higher mag limit (17), and other bills at my request) but wouldn't go for it... I know it wouldn't have even gotten a committee hearing (like the others he introduced for me), but still... it would have been interesting just to see it officially in print in the Hawaii legislative system.

Too bad they're virtually all fascist authoritarian civilian disarmament proponents. Lucky we live Hawaii.  :shaka:

Here is the whole article, but please go to The Washington Free Beacon and give them (and keep and bear rights reporter Stephen Gutowski) a click.

https://freebeacon.com/guns/utah-axes-gun-permit-requirement/

Utah Axes Gun-Permit Requirement

State will allow residents to carry concealed guns without permit


Residents of Utah will soon be able to carry concealed guns without a permit.

Governor Spencer Cox (R.) will sign legislation into law this week to eliminate the permit requirement, his spokeswoman told the Washington Free Beacon on Tuesday. The act will allow any law-abiding person over the age of 21 to carry a gun under his or her clothes while in the state. Convicted felons, those adjudicated mentally ill, and other people prohibited from owning a gun are excluded from the policy.

Clark Aposhian, chairman of the Utah Shooting Sports Council, said his group has been pushing for the change since 2013, when a previous attempt was vetoed by then-governor Gary Herbert (R.). He said the bill becoming law is a win for law-abiding gun owners and will cut down on potential wait times for those in danger, noting that getting a permit can "take up to 90 days."

The repeal of permit requirements for concealed gun carry has accelerated over the past decade in a show of the increasing influence of gun owners and Second Amendment groups, especially at the state level. Utah is the 17th state to adopt a permitless carry system. While Vermont has used a permitless system since its founding, most states effectively banned any form of concealed gun carry until the mid-1990s. As recently as 1986, 16 states banned concealed gun carry while another 25 had laws allowing state officials to reject permit applications for any reason.

Now, no states outright ban concealed carry [not "outright", as theoretically it is legally possibly to apply for a license, but in the real world no license is possible here in Hawaii], and only eight states still allow officials to reject permit applicants who otherwise comply with training and background-check requirements.

Experts said the relaxation of concealed gun carry restrictions in recent years after concerted efforts from groups such as the National Rifle Association is proof of how influential politically active gun owners can be.

"The adoption of these laws in the last two decades has demonstrated the power and persuasive ability of a mobilized gun-rights movement," Jake Charles, executive director of Duke University's Center for Firearms Law, said.

Gun-control activists have continually opposed the loosening of gun carry laws by warning that violence would accompany the reforms. Moms Demand Action, a top gun-control group, attempted to block the Utah law. Activists accused lawmakers of "gutting" training requirements that would prove "dangerous" to the public. Utah state senator David Hinkins (R.), who sponsored the bill, disputed those talking points, arguing that broadened gun carry laws have not been linked to surges in gun crimes.

[And now for the actual facts...]

"The three safest states in the U.S. have permitless carry laws: Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine," he said during a floor debate. "This is not a left or a right issue, it's a good policy backed by good data."

Robert Leider, a George Mason University professor who studies gun laws, said gun-rights groups rebutted those arguments by emphasizing self-defense.

"Gun-rights groups have been immensely successful at legalizing the carrying of firearms for self-defense," Leider said. "Even many liberal states readily issue permits to carry firearms."

The new law will go into effect on May 5. It passed the Utah Senate by a 22-6 vote and the House by a 51-20 vote. Utah residents will still be able to obtain a concealed carry permit, which some other states require for nonresidents within their borders.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Utah passes permitless carry, 17th such state... Hawaii still full o' sh*t
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2021, 01:54:44 PM »
OK Corral

Blood in the Streets

Road Rage turned into Gunfights

Drunks in bars getting into Gunfights

Cops worried about every traffic stop or routine call turning into a suspect with a gun

People with "less training than the police" causing accidental discharges that kill or maim

Rash of firearm thefts from carriers who have to leave their guns in their vehicles to enter anywhere that prohibits firearms

So many "common sense" reasons to keep these killing machines off the streets!!   :crazy:

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

Re: Utah passes permitless carry, 17th such state... Hawaii still full o' sh*t
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2021, 02:01:45 PM »
We have Constitution Carry here in AZ. We can carry concealed or open with no permit required. However, a CCW permit is recommended if carrying concealed. I got mine so I can carry in UT (No longer needed) and NV.

Hawaii is full of SHIT
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Utah passes permitless carry, 17th such state... Hawaii still full o' sh*t
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2021, 02:08:39 PM »
We have Constitution Carry here in AZ. We can carry concealed or open with no permit required. However, a CCW permit is recommended if carrying concealed. I got mine so I can carry in UT (No longer needed) and NV.

Hawaii is full of SHIT

Yep.  Maine recently passed Constitutional Carr, but they still offer the option of applying for a CCW permit.  That way you can carry in states that have reciprocity with Maine.  It's easier to show out-of-state Cops your Maine permit if questioned.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aletheuo137

Re: Utah passes permitless carry, 17th such state... Hawaii still full o' sh*t
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2021, 06:17:32 AM »
Add Indiana to the list.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-house-votes-to-repeal-need-for-gun-permits

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RSN172

Re: Utah passes permitless carry, 17th such state... Hawaii still full o' sh*t
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2021, 07:00:32 AM »
Add Indiana to the list.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/indiana-house-votes-to-repeal-need-for-gun-permits

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Not quite yet. Still gotta pass da Senate, but being dat Indy has a Rep trifecta, almost garans goin pass.
About as garans as it wud no pass ova hea wit da fakas we get insai ouwa legislacha.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2021, 07:44:58 AM by RSN172 »
Happily living in Puna

QUIETShooter

Re: Utah passes permitless carry, 17th such state... Hawaii still full o' sh*t
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2021, 07:37:57 AM »
 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I absolutely LOVE the title of this thread.

So much that I also want to say it:

HAWAII IS STILL (AND ALWAYS WILL BE) FULL OF SH*T  ;D

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

oldfart

Re: Utah passes permitless carry, 17th such state... Hawaii still full o' sh*t
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2021, 08:53:54 AM »
But we got nice weather
What, Me Worry?

6716J

Re: Utah passes permitless carry, 17th such state... Hawaii still full o' sh*t
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2021, 09:10:05 AM »
But we got nice weather

But he/she's got a great personality.....
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

QUIETShooter

Re: Utah passes permitless carry, 17th such state... Hawaii still full o' sh*t
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2021, 09:11:09 AM »
But we got nice weather

True.  Because of this I can grow any kine veggies and plants in my garden...... :-\
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.