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HiCarry

HRA joins other's in filing Amicus Brief
« on: August 08, 2012, 01:38:21 PM »
HRA joined other gun rights organizations by signing onto the Amici submitted by the Associated Gun Clubs of Baltimore.

http://www.hawaiirifleassociation.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=88:hra-signs-onto-amici-brief-in-maryland-concealed-carry-case-&catid=1:articles&Itemid=50

Now we gotta get one done for Chris' case.....

« Last Edit: August 08, 2012, 02:09:22 PM by HiCarry »

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Re: HRA joins other's in filing Amicus Brief
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2012, 06:24:50 PM »
Awesome!
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Re: HRA joins other's in filing Amicus Brief
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2012, 07:33:24 PM »
Thank you, Jesus

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Re: HRA joins other's in filing Amicus Brief
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2012, 12:44:44 AM »
I knew that case was significant when Growler67 first brought it up last March 5th.


Following the links in HiCarry's OP above, I found:

http://www.nysrpa.org/files/woollard_v_gallagher-amicus.pdf

This ^ is a pdf of the actual document which the HRA signed on to.


In there, I found this gem as Footnote #2 on page 14 in the document (which appears as page 20 of the pdf file):

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2  It is important to remember that “no empirical research has made a case
for shall-issue laws increasing crime. Instead, the literature has disputed
the magnitude of the decrease and whether the estimated decreases are
statistically significant.”
David B. Mustard, Comment, in EVALUATING GUN
POLICY 326 (Jens Ludwig and Philip J. Cook eds. 2003). See also id. at 326
(“Even if one uncritically accepts the most negative reviews of Lott-
Mustard [research] at face value, there is still more evidence that shall-issue
laws reduce, rather than raise, crime.”).

In any event, the burden is on Maryland to justify its restriction of the
right to bear arms. Citizens do not need to prove that permitting public
gun carriage reduces crime, as noted above.

(Bolding and underlining mine.)

 

"Citizens do not need to prove that permitting public gun carriage reduces crime, as noted above."

In other words, all you Mayors and Chiefs of Police, you have to prove private carrying of firearms actually does cause more crime.  Such proof is not obtainable.

The "blood running in the streets" mantra and all similar remarks are pure fiction.

On second thought, let me restate that more forcefully: 

They are outright baldfaced lies.

Terry, 230RN



« Last Edit: August 09, 2012, 01:44:30 AM by 230RN »
I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

hnl.flyboy

HRA joins other's in filing Amicus Brief
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2012, 01:30:41 AM »
Funtimes, has the NRA and/or SAF assisted your case in any way? If not, I think it's time I sent them a letter..
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Re: HRA joins other's in filing Amicus Brief
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2012, 07:42:24 AM »
Funtimes, has the NRA and/or SAF assisted your case in any way? If not, I think it's time I sent them a letter..

NRA Tried to backstab us :P and screw up our timeline, does that count?
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TeamMidori

HRA joins other's in filing Amicus Brief
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2012, 08:11:56 AM »
Can you give some details? I'm very curious as to why the NRA has so been silent about this.

hnl.flyboy

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2012, 10:20:41 AM »
I'd like some details too. Might have to escalate from frustrated letter to angry letter.
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Re: HRA joins other's in filing Amicus Brief
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2012, 06:13:53 PM »
Can you give some details? I'm very curious as to why the NRA has so been silent about this.

Go read Gunfight by Adam winkler, specifically the chapter on NRA and Heller litigation.  NRA Doesn't like anyone doing things without their position, and they routinely try to squash cases and mess up other peoples litigation efforts.  Here they tried to screw us out of our reply brief, and the cities response brief.  They call my attorneys and talk them on the phone, asking for us to do one thing - while filing documents against us at the same time.  It was dishonest on a man to man level and I have simply just lost some respect for those guys.

I don't care that you are trying to screw me over - but at least say, "Hey, are filing this and it might screw you over."
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HiCarry

Re: HRA joins other's in filing Amicus Brief
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2012, 01:30:27 PM »
Attorney General of Virginia files Amici brief in Wollard case

http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2012/aug/12/cuccinelli-files-brief-maryland-gun-case-ar-2126004/

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Cuccinelli's brief argues that Maryland's "good and substantial reason" requirement to obtain a handgun carry permit for self-defense outside of the home "impinges on the constitutional rights of its citizens."

Brief here: http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/woollard/Virgina+13-states-amicus-2012-08-06.pdf

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Re: HRA joins other's in filing Amicus Brief
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2012, 02:11:56 PM »
Hoping common sense prevails... :popcorn:

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Re: HRA joins other's in filing Amicus Brief
« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2012, 09:30:37 PM »
I am so weary of these so called 2@ organizations forming a firing squad in a circle and firing. Hold together men, we must prevail. The alternative is....................