Media Lies, Lies by Omission, Misinformation, Disinformation Thread (Read 268698 times)

changemyoil66

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« Reply #920 on: July 13, 2021, 09:14:28 AM »
Department of Defense Dictionary of Military Terms defines terrorism as: The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

#fitsthebill

They obviously were using violence to break into government property.  They obviously were trying to coerce or to intimidate government that "Trump Won"  which is not true.  Their goals were  generally political, religious, or ideological.

#terrorist

Were any of these people and Ashl convicted in court of acting as a terrorist?  If the answer is no, then by your own logic, they are not terrorist or doing terrorist things.  You are using their actions to make up a decision on your own.  #notprovenincourt.

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changemyoil66

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« Reply #921 on: July 13, 2021, 09:57:57 AM »
This is the way I look at the event.  This building is supposed to be a very secure building.  I find it hard to believe that the entrance doors have just a simple deadbolt type of lock on them.  I'm going to also assume they're built to withstand a battering ram and like type of breaching tools. Same goes with the windows. They're probably not single plain, non safety glass type of glass that is easily breakable.

So how can people with zero tools breach a closed, locked door?  Or what is more plausible and shown on many videos that they were let in at some point.  Yes, maybe at first they were not, but eventually vids showed them walking right past uniformed officers at the entrance.

Then you have the vid of Ashli getting shot.  1 could have easily punched her in the face as she tried to jump up and squeeze thru a narrow broken glass portion of a door.  I mean, antifa throws explosives/unknown liquids at cops on a regular basis and none are shot.  So we see the bias toward conservatives that apparently don't exist either physically or on social media.

Inb4 swwooooooosssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Glasser

Re: Media Lies, Lies by Omission, Misinformation, Disinformation Thread
« Reply #922 on: July 13, 2021, 10:41:53 AM »
Intelligence from the FBI saying there would be a massive amount of protesters coming to the Capitol that day, someone, they won't say who, told the Capitol Police to stand down (hint- Speaker of the House has absolute authority over CPD, that would be Pelosi).

Anti-Fa was seen cutting the temporary fences around the Capitol, Anti-Fa was seen breaking the windows on the front steps. A CNN stringer  was imbeded  with Anti-Fa when they broke into the Capitol and even paid Anti-Fa tens of thousands of dollars for the copyrights to air the video Anti-Fa filmed that day inside the Capitol rotunda.

But an unarmed Ashli Babbitt wandering the building with half a dozen  CPD special agents in front of her and a 4 man tactical team behind her is the terrorist....

... please lie some more.

Also it has been verified that Trump tried to activate the National Guard that day to peace keep and was denied.

omnigun

Re: Media Lies, Lies by Omission, Misinformation, Disinformation Thread
« Reply #923 on: July 13, 2021, 10:53:35 AM »
Were any of these people and Ashl convicted in court of acting as a terrorist?  If the answer is no, then by your own logic, they are not terrorist or doing terrorist things.  You are using their actions to make up a decision on your own.  #notprovenincourt.

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True,  I may use the wording suspected terrorist.  Though in general blanked labeling does not need to be proven in court many times.  There is some leniency in observation and comparison to a definition.  I don't have to prove in court that someone is male, or asian, etc.
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omnigun

Re: Media Lies, Lies by Omission, Misinformation, Disinformation Thread
« Reply #924 on: July 13, 2021, 10:56:05 AM »
This is the way I look at the event.  This building is supposed to be a very secure building.  I find it hard to believe that the entrance doors have just a simple deadbolt type of lock on them.  I'm going to also assume they're built to withstand a battering ram and like type of breaching tools. Same goes with the windows. They're probably not single plain, non safety glass type of glass that is easily breakable.

So how can people with zero tools breach a closed, locked door?  Or what is more plausible and shown on many videos that they were let in at some point.  Yes, maybe at first they were not, but eventually vids showed them walking right past uniformed officers at the entrance.

Then you have the vid of Ashli getting shot.  1 could have easily punched her in the face as she tried to jump up and squeeze thru a narrow broken glass portion of a door.  I mean, antifa throws explosives/unknown liquids at cops on a regular basis and none are shot.  So we see the bias toward conservatives that apparently don't exist either physically or on social media.

Inb4 swwooooooosssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh


They are breaking windows and doors there's plenty of evidence of this.   Its a historic building not a vault.  Its defended by manpower and the law, thats how its secure.    If cops shot the antifa threating them I would have no issues with that too.  A certain level of extra defense applies to Upper level government officials.  Which applies to this.

omnigun

Re: Media Lies, Lies by Omission, Misinformation, Disinformation Thread
« Reply #925 on: July 13, 2021, 10:56:53 AM »
Intelligence from the FBI saying there would be a massive amount of protesters coming to the Capitol that day, someone, they won't say who, told the Capitol Police to stand down (hint- Speaker of the House has absolute authority over CPD, that would be Pelosi).

Anti-Fa was seen cutting the temporary fences around the Capitol, Anti-Fa was seen breaking the windows on the front steps. A CNN stringer  was imbeded  with Anti-Fa when they broke into the Capitol and even paid Anti-Fa tens of thousands of dollars for the copyrights to air the video Anti-Fa filmed that day inside the Capitol rotunda.

But an unarmed Ashli Babbitt wandering the building with half a dozen  CPD special agents in front of her and a 4 man tactical team behind her is the terrorist....

... please lie some more.

Also it has been verified that Trump tried to activate the National Guard that day to peace keep and was denied.

lol conspiracy alert.   #fakenews

omnigun

Re: Media Lies, Lies by Omission, Misinformation, Disinformation Thread
« Reply #926 on: July 13, 2021, 10:58:34 AM »
i am questioning your defense of the use of force
there's a difference...

Its quite simple like I said previously.  They warned her that crossing that line would get her shot because there were Government officials behind,  she crossed it.  She got shot. 

If you breached the Whitehouse, similar would happen. 

If you breached a military base,  same.

etc, etc, etc.

Had that been BLM or Antifa they should also have been shot.  Doesn't matter your political views or the color of your skin.  Break the law, suffer the consequences.   Self defense applies to all.

Glasser

Re: Media Lies, Lies by Omission, Misinformation, Disinformation Thread
« Reply #927 on: July 13, 2021, 11:14:03 AM »
lol conspiracy alert.   #fakenews


Court already seized all the money and rioting charges have been filed.  I would post links, but they only work for people who can read.




changemyoil66

Re: Media Lies, Lies by Omission, Misinformation, Disinformation Thread
« Reply #928 on: July 13, 2021, 11:15:24 AM »
True,  I may use the wording suspected terrorist.  Though in general blanked labeling does not need to be proven in court many times.  There is some leniency in observation and comparison to a definition.  I don't have to prove in court that someone is male, or asian, etc.

Doesn't understand the difference in law between someone who's a convicted/charged as a terrorist and being male or Asian.

aletheuo137

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« Reply #929 on: July 13, 2021, 11:16:43 AM »
Doesn't understand the difference in law between someone who's a convicted/charged as a terrorist and being male or Asian.
Tell him to ask his Mum!

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changemyoil66

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« Reply #930 on: July 13, 2021, 11:17:34 AM »

Court already seized all the money and rioting charges have been filed.  I would post links, but they only work for people who can read.

He's making assumptions again. I know who you're talking about selling the vid.  That black dude in the MAGA hat that has the crazy eyes.  He was arrested and charged.  But yeah, tin foil right?

changemyoil66

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« Reply #931 on: July 13, 2021, 11:20:03 AM »

They are breaking windows and doors there's plenty of evidence of this.   Its a historic building not a vault.  Its defended by manpower and the law, thats how its secure.    If cops shot the antifa threating them I would have no issues with that too.  A certain level of extra defense applies to Upper level government officials.  Which applies to this.

Read my post again slower. And if you still don't understand, ask a friend to read it to you and use pictures if needed. And if you still don't understand, hire a tutor to read it to you.

changemyoil66

Re: Media Lies, Lies by Omission, Misinformation, Disinformation Thread
« Reply #932 on: July 13, 2021, 11:26:50 AM »
Intelligence from the FBI saying there would be a massive amount of protesters coming to the Capitol that day, someone, they won't say who, told the Capitol Police to stand down (hint- Speaker of the House has absolute authority over CPD, that would be Pelosi).

Anti-Fa was seen cutting the temporary fences around the Capitol, Anti-Fa was seen breaking the windows on the front steps. A CNN stringer  was imbeded  with Anti-Fa when they broke into the Capitol and even paid Anti-Fa tens of thousands of dollars for the copyrights to air the video Anti-Fa filmed that day inside the Capitol rotunda.

But an unarmed Ashli Babbitt wandering the building with half a dozen  CPD special agents in front of her and a 4 man tactical team behind her is the terrorist....

... please lie some more.

Also it has been verified that Trump tried to activate the National Guard that day to peace keep and was denied.

Also vids of that day and previous encounters with that old white guy who's trying to "rally the troops".  Then being called a fed cause no one fell for it.

Glasser

Re: Media Lies, Lies by Omission, Misinformation, Disinformation Thread
« Reply #933 on: July 13, 2021, 11:26:58 AM »
He's making assumptions again. I know who you're talking about selling the vid.  That black dude in the MAGA hat that has the crazy eyes.  He was arrested and charged.  But yeah, tin foil right?

He has a long  history of showing up at a bunch of different radical groups and trying to convince them to instigate violence.

The MSM cut checks to his 'company' that he literally named Insurgence US, might as well have named it Terrorism Inc.

Glasser

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« Reply #934 on: July 13, 2021, 11:29:07 AM »
Also vids of that day and previous encounters with that old white guy who's trying to "rally the troops".  Then being called a fed cause no one fell for it.

There were also videos of folks who attended Anti-Fa cell meetings in DC where they were telling people to wear MAGA hats and flags when marching on the Capitol the next day.

OG and Christopher Wray think these folks are an idea and a myth.

omnigun

Re: Media Lies, Lies by Omission, Misinformation, Disinformation Thread
« Reply #935 on: July 13, 2021, 11:40:52 AM »
Doesn't understand the difference in law between someone who's a convicted/charged as a terrorist and being male or Asian.

Soooo are you saying that this definition doesn't apply?  Even if not convicted in court, a reasonable person can't associate this definition to the actions of the individual?

Department of Defense Dictionary of Military Terms defines terrorism as: The calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.

#fitsthebill

They obviously were using violence to break into government property.  They obviously were trying to coerce or to intimidate government that "Trump Won"  which is not true.  Their goals were  generally political, religious, or ideological.

#terrorist

changemyoil66

Re: Media Lies, Lies by Omission, Misinformation, Disinformation Thread
« Reply #936 on: July 13, 2021, 11:45:11 AM »
Soooo are you saying that this definition doesn't apply?  Even if not convicted in court, a reasonable person can't associate this definition to the actions of the individual?

Please copy and paste where I state the definition you posted doesn't apply.

Read my post again. Then read it slower. Then have someone read it to you. Then hire a tutor to read it to you and use pictures.

changemyoil66

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« Reply #937 on: July 13, 2021, 11:46:32 AM »
Here we go, buckle up. Another thread with unneeded pages because 1 doesn't understand things, then argues trying to show 1 does.

macsak

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« Reply #938 on: July 13, 2021, 11:55:16 AM »
True,  I may use the wording suspected terrorist.  Though in general blanked labeling does not need to be proven in court many times.  There is some leniency in observation and comparison to a definition.  I don't have to prove in court that someone is male, or asian, etc.

goalposts----->mobile

aletheuo137

Re: Media Lies, Lies by Omission, Misinformation, Disinformation Thread
« Reply #939 on: July 13, 2021, 12:33:04 PM »
"Read my post again. Then read it slower. Then have someone read it to you. Then hire a tutor to read it to you and use pictures."

Maybe his Mum can read it to him at bedtime and explain it!

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