SIG will stop making 1911s.

I really liked the Scorpion.

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SIG will stop making 1911s.

I really liked the Scorpion.

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You should buy one.  Price will only go up.

The next thing I want to test is how many rounds can I fire without an excessive amount of jamming, without cleaning. Just applying oil only.

The next thing I want to test is how many rounds can I fire without an excessive amount of jamming, without cleaning. Just applying oil only.

What is excessive?  On your toast?

But serious, check out discussion on 1911s and 2011s on functioning with dry or oil, and recoil spring weights. 

What is excessive?  On your toast?

But serious, check out discussion on 1911s and 2011s on functioning with dry or oil, and recoil spring weights.

Here or other websites?

Here or other websites?

Mostly on IG.  I've seen many recently.  Nothing new.  It's been a while since I've shot my 1911s a lot, but I do recall that discussion/debate.  Been looking at 2011s here and there, so noticed those discussions/videos lately. 

There are some on forums and individual person or group webpages, but I can't think of them off the top of my head. 

Mostly on IG.  I've seen many recently.  Nothing new.  It's been a while since I've shot my 1911s a lot, but I do recall that discussion/debate.  Been looking at 2011s here and there, so noticed those discussions/videos lately. 

There are some on forums and individual person or group webpages, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.

What made me thing about this is I was watching some WW2 docu's and I can't imagine soldiers taking time to oil their 1911's all the time.  The mentality of "I never shot it, so no need" comes into mind. I could be wrong and maybe it was SOP to every time you clean your rifle, to also clean your sidearm.  But then in the Pacific, with it's humidity, how often did they clean their rifle?

The Luger has such tight tolerances that to keep dirt out, they basically wrapped the entire pistol in a holster.  Which is why those Luger WW2 holsters are so bulky.  And every part was stamped with the serial #. So it you can find a WW2 Luger with all matching serial numbers, it's a gem.  Because the SOP was to just replace the part with what ever you had in the armory, so lots of mixed serial numbers on WW2 Lugers.

What made me thing about this is I was watching some WW2 docu's and I can't imagine soldiers taking time to oil their 1911's all the time.  The mentality of "I never shot it, so no need" comes into mind. I could be wrong and maybe it was SOP to every time you clean your rifle, to also clean your sidearm.  But then in the Pacific, with it's humidity, how often did they clean their rifle?

The Luger has such tight tolerances that to keep dirt out, they basically wrapped the entire pistol in a holster.  Which is why those Luger WW2 holsters are so bulky.  And every part was stamped with the serial #. So it you can find a WW2 Luger with all matching serial numbers, it's a gem.  Because the SOP was to just replace the part with what ever you had in the armory, so lots of mixed serial numbers on WW2 Lugers.

When in field conditions, too much oil is a bad thing.  It attracts dirt, dust and lint, and makes those things adhere to the oiled parts.

You just need to make sure the metal-on-metal contact points have sufficient lubrication.  That means a few drops in specific places. 

I wouldn't characterize spending a minute to apply oil to a weapon when gearing up as "soldiers taking time to oil their 1911's all the time".  If they are trained properly, maintaining their weapons is as routine as eating and drinking.

If it's my life, i'd be sure to keep my weapon functioning.  I have no idea if what I would do is feasible, but to keep 99% of the guns ready all the time, I'd assign a weapons cleaning detail at intervals depending on the situation and recent engagements. 

A detailed soldier would walk up to you, hand you a clean 1911, and take yours to be cleaned.  Once yours is done, they'd trade back, and go to the next guy.  Keeps everyone armed except those on cleaning detail.  It prevents having having half of the guns or more torn down for cleaning at the same time.

A plus is you can have your best gun cleaning guys do the job quickly and correctly.  It's a fact that more guns experience malfunctions after cleaning because someone did it wrong or didn't properly reassemble the weapon.

Of course, you still need to function check it after it's returned to you clean.

Update:

I've been running a no cleaning test.  So far it's been about a year and about 800rds through the M45 and no issues.  I just oil before using.  So not a true test, but I don't want the gun to keep jamming during a skill builder.

Update:

I've been running a no cleaning test.  So far it's been about a year and about 800rds through the M45 and no issues.  I just oil before using.  So not a true test, but I don't want the gun to keep jamming during a skill builder.

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A lot depends on the ammunition you are using.
But the oil before use is absolutely correct. It makes a huge difference.

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A lot depends on the ammunition you are using.
But the oil before use is absolutely correct. It makes a huge difference.

What if I used grease instead as oil can dry up?  Or would the carbon trapped in the grease increase it's jamming?

I've been using Fiocchi 230gr FMJ.

What if I used grease instead as oil can dry up?  Or would the carbon trapped in the grease increase it's jamming?

I've been using Fiocchi 230gr FMJ.

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I wouldn't use grease on my guns, except for long term storage. Maybe not even then.

What if I used grease instead as oil can dry up?  Or would the carbon trapped in the grease increase it's jamming?

I've been using Fiocchi 230gr FMJ.

If you're planning to leave your guns in the safe 300 days out of the year, I recommend Frog Lube.

It lasts about a year, probably longer but it starts to turn golden brown. 

It's more work initially.  You have to remove any previous oils and thoroughly clean it.  Then coat it with Frog Lube all over inside and out.  I use the paste and brush it on with a small brush.

I then heat it in the oven as directed.  That step absorbs the protectant into the pores of the the metal.

After it cools completely, I gently wipe them down.  A complete layer of Frog Lube remains and protects better than most lubes I've seen tested.

When you take it to the range, you don't even need to oil it.  As the gun warms up from shooting, the Frog Lube softens/melts and lubes it automatically.

After shooting, clean as usually, reapply the Frog Lube only enough to replace what you cleaned off, then warm it in the oven. 

Basically, if you're looking at semmi-long-term storage, this is a very good product.  For extremely long term storage, most MILSURP sellers seem to find the guns preserved in cosmoline.  it's a combination of grease and oil and it's very difficult sometimes to get the firearm totally clean with only one try.

I just checked, and Amazon lists cosmoline as a spray-on rust preventative.  I may have to check YT to see how that stuff stacks up against Frog Lube.

Amazon also shows a product called Fluid Film.  One of the auto channels in NY I watch uses this to protect cars and truck from rusting out from all the salt used during the Winter there.  This is not a lubricant, so you'll still need to address that when preparing to shoot.

So I've decided to use grease because my 1911 will sit until further notice.

I took a class a few months ago and realized when I take a class, that means Mrs. CMO has to watch out daughter all day. Then after the class, I'm usually drained and need a nap, then have to clean the guns. So I'm basically out of comission with our daughter till 8pm or so. 

It's unfair to Mrs. CMO IMO, unless we take a class together and grandparetns babysit, but our priorities have changed.  We have enough training to be proficient with our tools and Covid closures taught me that we can go a long time without losing too much ability.

So I finally cleaned the 1911 after many rounds with no issues.  I was doing a test of how many rounds can I go withouth cleaning until jams happen often.  I would estiamte that I'm about 1100rds with no cleaning.

Glocks don't need grease...